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[bonnie]

Who is Stephan Lewis?? Is he a SDA. Really has piqued my interest as to why DS is donating to another ministry.
There is nothing to say he can't and nothing to say he was wrong doing so,but the name made me really curious,more so after I was able to learn a little about him after a search

Bonnie

[Bob Pickle]

Independent preacher. Calls himself bishop. Had meetings in a hotel next to the GC session in 2005 in St. Louis.

I'm not too familiar with him.

[Daryl Fawcett]

Interesting!

[Snoopy]

This should help:

http://thepresenttruth.org/index.htm

[bonnie]

This should help:

http://thepresenttruth.org/index.htm

The reading of the website sounds much that you would find concerning any SDA ministry.

I know that maybe the question seems trivial, and perhaps it is,but this gets weirder right along.

Why are DS and LS donating two expensive horses to a ministry that is similar to their own and including the same faith. If DS purchased those two horses out of his personal finances,why would he donate to another self supporting ministry of same?? Are his donations such that, that kind of money can go elsewhere besides 3ABN
The Sheltons would have received a reduction in their personal income tax. One that their income would have a hard time supporting. With tithe and offerings, assuming that the Sheltons paid tithe, that would be somewhere over 30,00000 cash for charitable donations It is very careless concerning finances to have to go back and discuss and obtain a receipt for a dionation to a non-profit org. 
I still could not find that Stephan Lewis has a equine business as part of his ministry. It would be a bit different if he actually did. So Fran or IRSPro, can you tell me if I am wrong. If this was a donation to another SDA ministry, that ministry would have likely had a business as such. At the least, the receiving ministry had the means and staff to house and feed/care for two expensive animals till they could be properly converted to cash to help this ministry in a financial way




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[Bob Pickle]

bonnie,

Danny's financial affidavit in July 2006 said he would give $500 a month in charitable contributions. That would be $6000 per year.

Danny said elsewhere that his horses were worth between $500 and $5000. What exactly the horses were worth that Stephen Lewis got I can't say, but outside of tax-related documents or emails, I don't know of anytime that Danny said that he had a horse worth more than $5000.

Suppose you want to sell a car for $3000 but can't find a taker. If you can donate it to someone and claim it was worth $10,000, and if that results in your paying $3000 less in taxes, then you got your $3000 for your car from Uncle Sam, even though Uncle Sam didn't get your car.

That is a possible explanation for what that was all about, and I strongly recommend that no one try such.

[bonnie]

bonnie,

Danny's financial affidavit in July 2006 said he would give $500 a month in charitable contributions. That would be $6000 per year.

Danny said elsewhere that his horses were worth between $500 and $5000. What exactly the horses were worth that Stephen Lewis got I can't say, but outside of tax-related documents or emails, I don't know of anytime that Danny said that he had a horse worth more than $5000.

Suppose you want to sell a car for $3000 but can't find a taker. If you can donate it to someone and claim it was worth $10,000, and if that results in your paying $3000 less in taxes, then you got your $3000 for your car from Uncle Sam, even though Uncle Sam didn't get your car.

That is a possible explanation for what that was all about, and I strongly recommend that no one try such.

Bob,

I did this for 17 years on a daily basis.I well understand how this should go To make this feasible, don't know about the rest of what he claimed as charitble contributions,but to be feasible here means......
Stephan Lewis had a horse business, all proceeds went to the ministry. This has a few requirements at least as far as the receiver. It may be that Stpehan Lewis had a horse business,had the facilities to house the horses and the know how to care for them till sold. The selling would be a bit tougher if he did not have a reputation in this field . If they were part of a breeding program, then of course he has a horse business. Does he or did he??  I don't know
Without already owning and operating this business, what did he do with the horses. I don't care if he was selling 200.00 horses They have a variety of needs prior to selling that need to be met.
How stupid would it be for me to have donated you one  of my 2500.00 ,150 lb. dogs to you, living in a senior highrise  Telling you this is a charitble donation you could sell. Horses are even harder to cope with without fencing, feed etc. Most don't have that unless running a business or a hobby. If you board them it is even more expensive and would soon eat any profit and you would be paying for that charitable donation.

The reason I am questioning is it is not computing. Maybe it can and does make sense when the whole story would be told, but so far it does not seem those with inside knowledge care to respond to this. From my perspective it is not making sense.

Reading a bit about Stephan Lewis just made me more curious. That the receipent of this gift was another ministry just like his own. Donations must be extremely good if it not only gives them a reasonable or better lifestyle with money left over to promote a same ministry

[bonnie]

At this point I am more curious about Stephan Lewis after a bit of what I read.
If you choose to there are many ways to circumvent some rules while farming or related business.
There are ways to legally and honestly reduce your taxable income.

[Ozzie]

Independent preacher. Calls himself bishop. Had meetings in a hotel next to the GC session in 2005 in St. Louis.

I'm not too familiar with him.

Is that the guy who has put out DVD's entitled "I preached a Lie for (?)41 years".

He calls himself a Bishop, but that's the only guy I've ever heard of elevating himself to that status in the SDA Church.

It may 'fit' OK in some cultures to call oneself a Bishop but here, it just doesn't 'sit'.

And as for the title of his DVD, I don't believe it's the way to win friends and influence people. There are many ways to re-word the title so that is does not come across as offensive to new Christians. IMHO

[Gregory]

He calls himself a Bishop, but that's the only guy I've ever heard of elevating himself to that status in the SDA Church.

And you never heard of Bishop Lieske (I may not have spelled it correctly?).  He was on the air for years and did good work for the SDA church.

[Ozzie]

He calls himself a Bishop, but that's the only guy I've ever heard of elevating himself to that status in the SDA Church.

And you never heard of Bishop Lieske (I may not have spelled it correctly?).  He was on the air for years and did good work for the SDA church.

No. Not unless he is the guy that made the DVD/video regarding "I preached a lie for .. years".

I actually tossed the DVD or Video (whichever it was), coz I don't particularly like people big-noteing themselves.

Last Bishop I ever heard of other than on that media, was when I was a member of the Catholic Church.

[childoftheking]

Wasn't Bishop Leiske of the tv program "Religious Town Hall" a Seventh-day Adventist. It never struck me that Bishop was probably his first name and not a title untill I started to reply.

[Gregory]

Wasn't Bishop Leiske of the tv program "Religious Town Hall" a Seventh-day Adventist. It never struck me that Bishop was probably his first name and not a title untill I started to reply.

You got it.

No, Bishop was not his first name.  It was a title.  He was a SDA clergyperson.  He did good work for the SDA Chruch.  Unfortunately his program was never distributed as widely as others have been.

Here is a URL that will give you information about it: 

http://www.acfnewsource.org/religion/religious_town_hall.html

It began on radio in 1952 and later moved to television.  I am not certain if it still is produced.  But, it was on the air for 50 years or more.

Here is a quotation from the above website and a potential contact point if anyone wants to check it out to see if it is still in production.

  Broadcast over 315 stations nationwide across four networks and numerous local independent stations, Leiske receives letters from fans who have been watching for more than 25 years. Leiske estimates the viewing audience is somewhere between 175 and 200 million.

CONTACTS

Robert Leiske: Pastor and Host
The American Religious Town Hall Meeting
745 North Buckner Boulevard
Dallas, Texas 75218
Phone: (214) 328-9828


 

NOTE:  Robert Leiske may not take the title Bishop?  However, his Father, who began the program used the title Bishop.

[Gregory]

He calls himself a Bishop, but that's the only guy I've ever heard of elevating himself to that status in the SDA Church.

Next, I expect you to tell us that you have never heard of a SDA minister wearing a clerical collar.   Some SDA ministers were wearing such into the 1940's when most stopped.  But, there have been a few who have worn them since.

[Fran]

The Pastor and Host is now the previous president of the Texas Conference, Steve Gifford.  I believe Leiske has passed away.  The other SDA representation is Elder Beach.  They have representative of several different churches, including Catholic.  May times I have to say that the non-SDAs are better at stating their position.

I did not like that Leiske used Bishop as his title.     I often wondered if viewer thought he was Catholic 

I do not like the program, however, many others do.