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[SDAminister]

..........They reasoned
that since Standish was seen as an Eli in his relationship with Hal, a new
president would hold Hal more accountable...............

Funny how we always point out Eli as being the poor father but Samuel, who by all accounts was nearly as bad, is never referred to. And thoughts fellow forum members on why this may be?
SDAminister

[Bob Pickle]

..........They reasoned
that since Standish was seen as an Eli in his relationship with Hal, a new
president would hold Hal more accountable...............

Funny how we always point out Eli as being the poor father but Samuel, who by all accounts was nearly as bad, is never referred to. And thoughts fellow forum members on why this may be?
SDAminister

While Samuel had been indulgent, he was not guilty like Eli in overlooking crimes in his sons, and his sons' conduct was not like that of Eli's sons.

[Emma]

..........They reasoned
that since Standish was seen as an Eli in his relationship with Hal, a new
president would hold Hal more accountable...............

Funny how we always point out Eli as being the poor father but Samuel, who by all accounts was nearly as bad, is never referred to. And thoughts fellow forum members on why this may be?
SDAminister

While Samuel had been indulgent, he was not guilty like Eli in overlooking crimes in his sons, and his sons' conduct was not like that of Eli's sons.

And it is interesting that a grandson of Samuel (Herman the son of Joel) was a temple musician in the time of Solomon.  (1 Chron 6:24)

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Edited to separate post from quoted posts.

[GRAT]

Look at what kind of father figure Samuel had.  He was taken to the temple at age 3 and never lived with his parents again.  So Eli must have taken on that role.  WE learn how to parent by example.  And we can learn some pretty bad things.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

And that is another big difference between Hartland and 3ABN:

Hartland has a constituency that meets and follows the church manul form of governance, although the constituency, because of the geo-politics, is largely composed of Hartland employees and therefore, a bit "pliable" by management.

3ABN's constituency is the 16 members of the board of directors, which up until last year, were all picked by Danny Lee Shelton. If you read my article on governance, you will see we have addressed the issue. It would seem that ASI would be a natural constituency, not the ASI Missions,Inc board.

And thus why our early efforts were directed at the intransigent board. ANd most importantly, until the board finally stepped to the plate last year, there was little or no real accountability!!!

Obviously, the vast majority of donors are unrepresented here: Donation without representation!!! And for many years, no accountability.

Gailon Arthur Joy

I've heard that in the past (and maybe even today?) anyone could request a copy of Hartland's yearly audit and they would sent it to you. Is this the same for 3ABN?

SDAminister

Are you kidding? That is the subject of a battle currently pending in discovery. The answer is a resounding NO!!!
But I would love for you to ask them for a copy of the annual audit and report back!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy