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Re: Approved SDA Media Outlet Publishes an Article about the IRS Investigation
« Reply #165 on: August 23, 2008, 06:14:22 PM »

Interesting, sister.

It would seem to me that the fair market value of the rent should be considered taxable income to the Everetts.  I wonder if that was ever included on a W-2 or 1099?

It is also interesting to me that a member of the board of directors, the single group tasked with governance of 3ABN and its resources, would take part in an obvious diversion of organizational resources to the private benefit of the Sheltons.  If I ever had any confidence in the board, it is now gone.  When 3ABN is finally held accountable for these financial misdealings, a good deal of the responsibility should land firmly at the feet of these "directors".



For those who find the names Dave Everett and Larry Welch unfamiliar, perhaps a little history 3ABN history is in order. Dave Everett and his wife were both employed at 3ABN: ET, the head of the 3ABN music studios, and Dave did various jobs around 3ABN, anything from seeding grass, to construction and taking care of Danny’s horses. Included in their perks was a rent free apartment in the music complex which ET helped design and decorate.  Neither Dave or ET are Seventh-day Adventists. When the school complex was built and a beautiful gym floor was put down, Dave was one of the guys that Danny pulled off of their regular duties to come and play basketball with him in the afternoons on 3ABN’s dime.

Larry Welch is also an interesting case. Previously, before Larry became a part of the 3ABN pastoral staff, he oversaw construction. Actually, he didn’t do all that much, but he was paid double the salary of other 3ABN workers with similar levels of responsibility. In addition to his other duties Larry has been a long time member of the 3ABN Board of Directors. One of his main qualifications was to back up everything Danny said at board meetings and horse duty. His wife worked in the accounting department.

There is much more that could be said, but this is intended to be just a little introduction...


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Re: Approved SDA Media Outlet Publishes an Article about the IRS Investigation
« Reply #166 on: August 23, 2008, 06:32:48 PM »

Bonnie, on the same property where 3ABN has their worship center is a school, primarily for the children of the workers and Danny's grandchildren. The head teacher and her husband were both employed by 3ABN. He works in the pastoral department, his qualifications: none. But he  refers to himself, both on air and when answering the telephone as "PASTOR Joe". The last head of the pastoral staff, John Dinzey had no pastoral training. He is currently head of the Latino department of 3ABN. In the current issue of the 3ABN World magazine there is a picture of him and they refer to him as Pastor John. The current head of the pastoral department is JD Quinn. Is JD an SDA pastor? No, but he is the husband of Shelley Quinn, who helped Danny write his ten commandments book. She also has her own program on 3ABN and is a department head at 3ABN. Larry Welch was a book evangelist and lay preacher over twenty years ago, but has some personal issues that should disqualify him for the pastoral department. Of course if you see what Danny has done to Linda, he probably has no problem with Larry Welch's behavior.

An added note: for tax purposes they always try to have one pastor in the pastoral department. Fran or Bob are probably more familiar with the 3ABN tax case than I am, but I seem to recall they claimed to have a group of real pastors working in their pastoral department. If that is the case they are really factually challenged, but I may be incorrect. Perhaps someone could check?

How do you become part of a pastoral department or even the head of the department without being a pastor? Easy answer, Bonnie, work for Danny Shelton at 3ABN!
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Re: Approved SDA Media Outlet Publishes an Article about the IRS Investigation
« Reply #167 on: August 23, 2008, 06:45:45 PM »

Interesting, sister.

It would seem to me that the fair market value of the rent should be considered taxable income to the Everetts.  I wonder if that was ever included on a W-2 or 1099?

It is also interesting to me that a member of the board of directors, the single group tasked with governance of 3ABN and its resources, would take part in an obvious diversion of organizational resources to the private benefit of the Sheltons.  If I ever had any confidence in the board, it is now gone.  When 3ABN is finally held accountable for these financial misdealings, a good deal of the responsibility should land firmly at the feet of these "directors".



For those who find the names Dave Everett and Larry Welch unfamiliar, perhaps a little history 3ABN history is in order. Dave Everett and his wife were both employed at 3ABN: ET, the head of the 3ABN music studios, and Dave did various jobs around 3ABN, anything from seeding grass, to construction and taking care of Danny’s horses. Included in their perks was a rent free apartment in the music complex which ET helped design and decorate.  Neither Dave or ET are Seventh-day Adventists. When the school complex was built and a beautiful gym floor was put down, Dave was one of the guys that Danny pulled off of their regular duties to come and play basketball with him in the afternoons on 3ABN’s dime.

Larry Welch is also an interesting case. Previously, before Larry became a part of the 3ABN pastoral staff, he oversaw construction. Actually, he didn’t do all that much, but he was paid double the salary of other 3ABN workers with similar levels of responsibility. In addition to his other duties Larry has been a long time member of the 3ABN Board of Directors. One of his main qualifications was to back up everything Danny said at board meetings and horse duty. His wife worked in the accounting department.

There is much more that could be said, but this is intended to be just a little introduction...



Snoopy, the Everetts are not the only ones who have had long term free living quarters at 3ABN. As the old saying goes, "It's not what you know, but who you know."
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Re: Approved SDA Media Outlet Publishes an Article about the IRS Investigation
« Reply #168 on: August 23, 2008, 06:47:09 PM »

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Bonnie, on the same property where 3ABN has their worship center is a school, primarily for the children of the workers and Danny's grandchildren. The head teacher and her husband were both employed by 3ABN. He works in the pastoral department, his qualifications: none. But he  refers to himself, both on air and when answering the telephone as "PASTOR Joe". The last head of the pastoral staff, John Dinzey had no pastoral training. He is currently head of the Latino department of 3ABN. In the current issue of the 3ABN World magazine there is a picture of him and they refer to him as Pastor John. The current head of the pastoral department is JD Quinn. Is JD an SDA pastor? No, but he is the husband of Shelley Quinn, who helped Danny write his ten commandments book. She also has her own program on 3ABN and is a department head at 3ABN. Larry Welch was a book evangelist and lay preacher over twenty years ago, but has some personal issues that should disqualify him for the pastoral department. Of course if you see what Danny has done to Linda, he probably has no problem with Larry Welch's behavior.

How do you become part of a pastoral department or even the head of the department without being a pastor? Easy answer, Bonnie, work for Danny Shelton at 3ABN!


Can we back up here a minute?? I have nothing against christians of other faiths. There are area's where we could probably learn alot from them.  
But how does a pastor,real or in name only, not of our faith, become someone that should lead as we would like to think our pastor's would or do.
What does this pastoral staff do? What duties does that consist of?
How can someone not of our faith rightly present that to others,or am I wrong and that is not part of the duties :help: :help:

Is JD a SDA?? How about  Shelley Quinn?
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« Reply #169 on: August 23, 2008, 07:21:26 PM »

The Quinns are both SDA's, but she has some questionably theology in the area of prayer. Primarily the pastoral department has been in charge of previewing outside programing for any questionable theology and for answering the 3ABN prayer line. I remember one fiasco when “Pastor” Joe O'Brien decided that he would be a match maker for two individuals with whom he had contact on the prayer line. He knew neither one of them personally, they lived in different areas of the country and were of very dissimilar ages. Hopefully an SDA pastor or someone with proper training would not have attempted something so foolish, for all "Pastor" Joe knew the guy could have been a serial killer. That's why we have organizations like Adventist Contact. I had a friend who joined it because whe had not met anyone who she had any serious interest in locally, but there were some basic built in safe quards: everyone who joined had to fill out a very detailed questionnaire and have a referrel letter from their SDA pastor.

I have no problem with Christians from other denominations, but I would not hire them to work in an SDA ministry, especially in leading positions. Too many opportunities for problems because of differences in Biblical understanding.
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« Reply #170 on: August 23, 2008, 07:26:50 PM »

The Quinns are both SDA's, but she has some questionably theology in the area of prayer. Primarily the pastoral department has been in charge of previewing outside programing for any questionable theology and for answering the 3ABN prayer line. I remember one fiasco when “Pastor” Joe O'Brien decided that he would be a match maker for two individuals with whom he had contact on the prayer line. He knew neither one of them personally, they lived in different areas of the country and were of very dissimilar ages. Hopefully an SDA pastor or someone with proper training would not have attempted something so foolish, for all "Pastor" Joe knew the guy could have been a serial killer. That's why we have organizations like Adventist Contact. I had a friend who joined it because whe had not met anyone who she had any serious interest in locally, but there were some basic built in safe quards: everyone who joined had to fill out a very detailed questionnaire and have a referrel letter from their SDA pastor.

I have no problem with Christians from other denominations, but I would not hire them to work in an SDA ministry, especially in leading positions. Too many opportunities for problems because of differences in Biblical understanding.



It is beginning to sound like a small city. Had no idea so much was involved.  As 3ABN supplies the facility for education on the premises,who pays tution? Or is that a perk of employment?  Teachers need to be paid and text books etc need to be purchased.
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« Reply #171 on: August 23, 2008, 08:10:19 PM »

Dave Everett and his wife were both employed at 3ABN: ET, the head of the 3ABN music studios, and Dave did various jobs around 3ABN, anything from seeding grass, to construction and taking care of Danny’s horses. ...

Larry Welch is also an interesting case. ... His wife worked in the accounting department.

Past tense for three of the four?
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« Reply #172 on: August 23, 2008, 08:13:10 PM »

It is beginning to sound like a small city. Had no idea so much was involved.  As 3ABN supplies the facility for education on the premises,who pays tution? Or is that a perk of employment?  Teachers need to be paid and text books etc need to be purchased.

3ABN's financial statements indicate that the school gets a subsidy from 3ABN, something like that.

Maybe our accountants around here can tell us if there are any tax consequences for employees with kids at the school.
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« Reply #173 on: August 23, 2008, 10:10:13 PM »

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I guess Danny wouldn't need that equipment if 3ABN just "happened" to have it!!  And maybe 3ABN just "happened" to have a horse trailer, too! 


If he hauls hay it can be done with a pickup but rather tedious as it requires more trips.

Why would 3abn have farm equipment

Because the owner of the Shelton Business (a/k/a 3ABN) needed the equipment, and he could operate on OPM!!! Tax exempt OPM. That is why the IRS exonerated him...so he could continue to operate his tax free business with OPM and get the OPM to support his horses as well!!! You see, the IRS didn't want those horses to starve to death if the Owner went away for an extended period and someone in the Attorney Generals Office really felt sorry for all eighteen of those horses...get the big picture here!!! It's all about compassion for the horses...forget the OPM contributors...let them give till the second coming as long as the owner can take care of the horses!!!

3ABN better thank their lucky stars that there was a horse lover at the Attorney Generals' office.

Now, if you believe that story, I have an IRS exoneraton letter I would like to sell to you. Bid's anyone?

Gailon Arthur Joy

 

 
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« Reply #174 on: August 23, 2008, 10:16:26 PM »

Dave Everett and his wife were both employed at 3ABN: ET, the head of the 3ABN music studios, and Dave did various jobs around 3ABN, anything from seeding grass, to construction and taking care of Danny’s horses. ...

Larry Welch is also an interesting case. ... His wife worked in the accounting department.

Past tense for three of the four?

Are three of them currently past tense?
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« Reply #175 on: August 23, 2008, 10:21:06 PM »

I'm thinking there will be several topics 3ABN might not be able to explain in court.  I happen to know an employee (still there, I believe) who was involved in building a barn for Danny, at Danny's residence on Hwy 34, on company time, with supplies purchased by 3ABN.  Go figure.


I don't think 3abn could explain a baler. Possibly the rest of it.

It would be more likely he bought hay.

I am just shocked beyond belief...and where are all the defenders with this bit of PRIVATE INUREMENT NEWS???And of course that was all legitimate, right? So legitimate it lead to an IRS Exoneration letter!!!

Boy, this thread is getting interesting!!!

Now how would you know that? Are you kidding me??? You actually spoke to an employee that is still there and he told you that DANNY LEE SHELTON PRIVATELY INURED HIMSELF? Was that with money that came from the stockholders in the pews or was it simply OPM contributions to the SHELTON BUSINESS !!!

By the way, I want that persons name rank and serial number to see if he  is already on the witness list? Think he would squeal like a pig under oath in a US District Courtroom? And how many others will squeal like a pig under oath in the US District Courtroom???

Not much of a pork supporter, but I thank the good Lord for Pigs every day!!!

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« Reply #176 on: August 24, 2008, 05:04:58 AM »

An employee of IRS caring to continue doesn't let the various and sundry Statute of Limitations expire on their watch!


http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/epch1102.pdf


14. Signature (employee charged with return) Date Returned to Supervisor
15. Date
Item Received Forwarded Initials
Examination
(a) Examiner
(b) Group Supervisor
(c) Review
Appeals
(d)
Examination Support and Processing
(e)
(f)
Returns Processing
(g)
(h)
(i)
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16. Explanation for Delays
Form 895 (Rev. 1-91) Notice of Statute Expiration Department of the Treasury
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Re: Approved SDA Media Outlet Publishes an Article about the IRS Investigation
« Reply #177 on: August 24, 2008, 06:20:24 AM »

irspro,

Interesting! Duffy said they gave 7 years of documents, 2000-2006. What can we infer from that as far as the statutes of limitations go? That the 3-year limit didn't apply for one of the stated reasons? Is that a reasonable conclusion?

Or that not even the 6-year limit applied, but no records exist before 2000 anymore?

Or is there a different SoL publication for Form 990's and Form990-T's filed in connection with Form 990's?
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« Reply #178 on: August 24, 2008, 02:21:32 PM »

irspro,

Interesting! Duffy said they gave 7 years of documents, 2000-2006. What can we infer from that as far as the statutes of limitations go? That the 3-year limit didn't apply for one of the stated reasons? Is that a reasonable conclusion?

Or that not even the 6-year limit applied, but no records exist before 2000 anymore?

Or is there a different SoL publication for Form 990's and Form990-T's filed in connection with Form 990's?

Exceptions to the Three-Year Rule would have to come from "fraud or omission."  If there was any closing, it was the Criminal Division withdrawing rather than the Audit Division closing it on a No Change from what I can deduce, both of which are easily separable.  Some of the "Informant" attributions appear to be of an "inside type" and potentially valid until you insert a qualified and morally credible tax preparer.  Based on my reputation throughout management, I probably could have surveyed the entire file by stamping is "Survey"; however, I may not have taxed my reputation by just going the "Written Survey" route with a minimum of verbage after an analysis of all the apurtnant tax returns along with the informant's document.

"EXCEPTIONS TO THREE-YEAR RULE
Six-Year Statute
The statutory period for assessment or collection is six years from the date the return is
filed or deemed filed, whichever is later, in cases where there has been a substantial
omission (more than 25 percent) on the return of gross income. See IRC section
6501(e)(1).
Page 11-5 Training 4213-021 (Rev. April 2002)
The six-year statute also applies where there has been an omission of more than 25%
of the excise tax due under Subtitle D (Chapters 41 through 44), unless disclosure of
the item giving rise to the tax was made in a manner that adequately apprises the
Secretary of the existence and nature of the item. See IRC section 6501(e)(3) and
Treas. Reg. section 301.6501(e)-1(c).
Agents should take the most conservative approach and protect the three-year statute,
if possible, even though a six-year statute appears applicable.
 This protects the interest of the government in the event it is subsequently
determined that the six-year statute is not applicable.
 As such, the agent should secure a consent to extend the statute prior to the
expiration of the three-year statute.
 If an agent and his manager determine that the six-year statute can be pursued,
be aware that the burden of proof shifts to the government to support the six-year
statute.
It is suggested that Area Counsel’s written advice regarding the applicability of the sixyear
statute be obtained.
Indefinite Statute
The three and six-year rules do not apply to:
 Filing a false or fraudulent return - IRC section 6501(c)(1).
 Willfully attempting to evade tax - IRC section 6501(c)(2).
 Failing to file a return - IRC section 6501(c)(3).
In these instances, the tax may be assessed or collected at any time."

Your allegation of the necessity of a Form 990-T in addition to Form 990 is questionable as the terms of all the contracts between all the parties is not known or whether there is an industry practice on which one could depend to make any assumption.    I can believe that all the related parties to all the contracts reported in accordance with an acceptable industry practice.  I would have to research a "deemed filed" matter if adequate disclosure of UBI is made.  Do you really think in an "alleged somewhat controlled environment" as may exist here, that the authors intended that the net profit of the sum total of the transactions be stripped as royalties, in substance if not in form?  That being the case, your concern for the filing of Form-990T may be moot if the authors reported the profit net of "all costs."  Hopefully, the IRS is networking their system.  A broad estimate of 9 months give a potential of 1 1/2 man years is foolishnss for a No Change.  You can take that to the bank.
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« Reply #179 on: August 24, 2008, 06:30:38 PM »

My thought is that 3ABN probably needed to file a 990-T, not because of royalties but because of lease payments for the Subway restaurant, Tae Kwon Do place, and barber shop. I would think the leases from those places would be unrelated business income.

If 3ABN produced more than 3 years of documents because of one of the reasons given in that manual, then there is no way that there was no discrepancy or infraction.
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