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[Snoopy]

Sammy, how would the IRS have known if Danny was having 3ABN grounds people caring for his horses?  Do these "grounds people" keep detailed time sheets?  Seems to me the only way the IRS would know that is if an investigator followed 3ABN personnel and actually SAW them working with Danny's horses.

Care to prove that he had grounds people care for the horses on 3abn time?  Do you make up these lies or do you get them from someone else?  If you were telling the truth, the IRS would have spotted that in a heartbeat and there would have been repurcussions of some kind. THere wasnt.  Now let's see....who should I believe....Sister who cannot prove one accusation she has made and has been exposed as a liar repeatedly...or....the IRS?

DAH

I am here at ASI where I am finding I can gather plenty of information from the people who actually know something.  Danny had plenty of help with the horses that had nothing to do with 3abn. A big source of help was called "family".  He was usually gone on the weekends and it was easy for a neighbor friend or one of the family to go feed and water the horses for a few days.  If he was gone longer, he paid someone to look after them.

The only thing that makes money with horses is if you have a stud with a famous bloodline and charge a hefty fee to breed your horse to another.  Other than that, because of the expenses of vets, feed, shelter the horses didn't make money.  He had them because he loves horses and likes to ride once in awhile.  As usual this is much ado about nothing.  Remember the IRS already looked into these records and found nothing wrong with DS or 3abn.

[Snoopy]

Maybe if you keep asking around at ASI you'll get that information as well!!

Everyone has lived in that house.  The Lomacang's, The Wilsons, I believe the new CFO is there now and about 1/2 dozen more have lived there that I can't think of their names.

[bonnie]

Sammy, how would the IRS have known if Danny was having 3ABN grounds people caring for his horses?  Do these "grounds people" keep detailed time sheets?  Seems to me the only way the IRS would know that is if an investigator followed 3ABN personnel and actually SAW them working with Danny's horses.

Of course they wouldn't. But I am curious as to whether they investigated the personal finances of D & LS.

Without that it wouldn't even be an issue

by Sam
I could be wrong but I believe the email you published was Danny asking Linda if she wanted to do that as the other person involved had told him it was legal and the "right" way to do it.  I don't believe you have confirmation that he went through with it and I doubt he did. IMO anyone that wasn't 100% sure would have ask an attorney

This stinks to high heaven. Somehow we have two totally ignorant horse breeders, both heading ministeries.
On a mere pittence no less, donating what would have been a sizable chunk out of that mere pittence. To another evangelist. Planning on doing so with a stud the next time, so it might be a fair conclusion that Lewis also has a love of horses that takes quite a bit of cash to raise or he is running a business. Which is it

[bonnie]

I know that you have told two stories concerning the horses. One that it was not a business because of the lack of a stud with famous bloodline and below I referenced it.

This question may have been answered elsewhere and I didn't see it. It came to mind again when you said DS paid for the horses as with everything else personal from his salary.
Can you tell me more about the horse deal. How is it a private for profit enterprise as raising horses even fell in the area of donations. You did say in another post that DS had the horses as a business.

Tell me again which you believe this to be.
.

[Sister]

Sammy, how would the IRS have known if Danny was having 3ABN grounds people caring for his horses?  Do these "grounds people" keep detailed time sheets?  Seems to me the only way the IRS would know that is if an investigator followed 3ABN personnel and actually SAW them working with Danny's horses.

Care to prove that he had grounds people care for the horses on 3abn time?  Do you make up these lies or do you get them from someone else?  If you were telling the truth, the IRS would have spotted that in a heartbeat and there would have been repurcussions of some kind. THere wasnt.  Now let's see....who should I believe....Sister who cannot prove one accusation she has made and has been exposed as a liar repeatedly...or....the IRS?

Sam, I noticed the time you are posting is during the seminars at ASI, is posting at AdventTalk more important?
DAH

I am here at ASI where I am finding I can gather plenty of information from the people who actually know something.  Danny had plenty of help with the horses that had nothing to do with 3abn. A big source of help was called "family".  He was usually gone on the weekends and it was easy for a neighbor friend or one of the family to go feed and water the horses for a few days.  If he was gone longer, he paid someone to look after them.

The only thing that makes money with horses is if you have a stud with a famous bloodline and charge a hefty fee to breed your horse to another.  Other than that, because of the expenses of vets, feed, shelter the horses didn't make money.  He had them because he loves horses and likes to ride once in awhile.  As usual this is much ado about nothing.  Remember the IRS already looked into these records and found nothing wrong with DS or 3abn.

Snoopy is correct, the grounds people did not keep detailed time sheets of their duties. They did whatever they were told to do, including working on Danny's personal property. Sam I do not lie, what I stated is well known history at 3ABN.

Johann, the additional land 3ABN bought, before you got there, backed up to the property where the Wilson's lived and ran all the way to the main street. The house fronted the main street, Mike Wilson's sister, her husband and daughter lived there. Once it was bought, Danny had the land from both places to run his horses.

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[bonnie]

I know that you have told two stories concerning the horses. One that it was not a business because of the lack of a stud with famous bloodline and below I referenced it.

This question may have been answered elsewhere and I didn't see it. It came to mind again when you said DS paid for the horses as with everything else personal from his salary.
Can you tell me more about the horse deal. How is it a private for profit enterprise as raising horses even fell in the area of donations. You did say in another post that DS had the horses as a business.

Tell me again which you believe this to be.
.

I did a search and realized I had mistaken the above comment as coming from you, I apologize for that, It was Jack



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You need to be a good steward of your money, not Danny Sheltons, nor anyone Else's.

Glad we agree. As long as it is my money I am donating, I intend to be careful with it so it does not land in the wrong hands.

Jack said...

If he and Linda had horses and paid for them by breeding them and selling others, that is their business, not yours nor any one Else's.  No one comes into your house and claims you can\'t have pets or spend money or resources in feeding and caring for them, as that money should go to the Lord.

What Jack has described would be in most people's mind a business.  It would sound like he put the horses on a paying basis . Or were 15 horses pets

[bonnie]

Ian,

Between you, anyman,and Sam,you seem to have the confidence of DS. Knowing much about his affairs
I do believe there was a resolution of some kind, not necessarily what was touted but some resolution.

So with that can you tell me if the personal finances of DS and LD were audited. I am assuming they filed jointly.

Were the horse a business or a very expensive hobby

[Cindy]

Ian,

Between you, anyman,and Sam,you seem to have the confidence of DS. Knowing much about his affairs
I do believe there was a resolution of some kind, not necessarily what was touted but some resolution.

So with that can you tell me if the personal finances of DS and LD were audited. I am assuming they filed jointly.

Were the horse a business or a very expensive hobby

Bonnie,

I'm sorry, but I fail to see how answering your questions helps, or why you even bother to ask any of us, it seems you never believe nor accept anything we try to explain or say.

May I suggest you email your questions to LS, or DS?  They were divorced at the time, so it would probably be best to ask both of them and get the whole picture.. but... jmo

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

Num 6:24-26

[Bob Pickle]

They were not divorced at the time Danny says that he got a $20,000 cash receipt for a donation of a horse or horses that he made in 2003.

[bonnie]

Bonnie,

I'm sorry, but I fail to see how answering your questions helps, or why you even bother to ask any of us, it seems you never believe nor accept anything we try to explain or say.

May I suggest you email your questions to LS, or DS?  They were divorced at the time, so it would probably be best to ask both of them and get the whole picture.. but... jmo


The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

Num 6:24-26[/b

How strange. Pretty simple questions and I would have no problem believing yes or no from anyone on that. However, I do understand why you choose  not to answer and are fielding the question back to DS or LS instead of answering as you typically do

[Ozzie]

Ian,

Between you, anyman,and Sam,you seem to have the confidence of DS. Knowing much about his affairs
I do believe there was a resolution of some kind, not necessarily what was touted but some resolution.

So with that can you tell me if the personal finances of DS and LD were audited. I am assuming they filed jointly.

Were the horse a business or a very expensive hobby

It's a very simple question Ian.

'Yes' or 'No' to business or expensive hobby will suffice.

You usually have all the answers. You usually state that you KNOW the facts, so it shouldn't be too difficult for you to answer.

[bonnie]

It's a very simple question Ian.

'Yes' or 'No' to business or expensive hobby will suffice.

You usually have all the answers. You usually state that you KNOW the facts, so it shouldn't be too difficult for you to answer.

This really is more idle curiosity,but it still should be able to be answered.  With the mere pittance received by DS and LS they had a very expensive hobby, tough to maintain on that pittance. To say nothing of donating some very expensive horses to another ministry.

Been a while since I was on the farm  and maybe I have forgotten a few things. Fran or IRSPro should be able to correct me or clarify if I am wrong.

Wouldn't the donation of these two horses have to be donated to the ministry of Lewis? That would mean then Lewis also had a horse business but it was run thru his ministry. Who is Lewis and is he SDA?  Can someone tell me why the Sheltons would rely on donations to pay their salary and then donate money or animals to another ministry?
These are not pets, no matter how fond of horses you are.
In order to purchase, breed and sell horses you have to have had them for more that a couple of months. It is not a fast turn around business or hobby.
On this relatively low salary where did the money come from before there was anything to sell?
If you take a look at a few figures it becomes hard to believe this was only a hobby.

94,000.00-roughly 80.00 a month to care for each horse x 15. That alone is almost 15,000.00 Not the purchase but the maintenance. Without grazing land it goes up from there. With grazing land the funds to fence it in would not be cheap. Horses take between 1-2 acres a day for grazing. If you are buying hay I know it has to be up from the 3.00 a bale we paid in the 80"S .
Then donate two of these expensive animals,those purchased out of pocket.
Then all those little incidentals in life
Insurance,home owners and auto and health insurance. Tithe, and I am assuming he pays tithe and offerings, another 10,000.00
Clothing,food, vehicles,the hundred and one things that make up a normal life.

Claiming on personal income tax  of 94,000.00,  30,000.00 in charitable giving as would show on the tax form. Church and the anticipated 20,000.00 cash receipt. Without living expenses his personal income would show now at 64,000.00. Then deduct the daily cost and the purchase cost.


So I guess I am still left in the dark. Were the Sheltons audited on their personal income? re the horses considered part of the 3ABN ministry?There was something more than a pittance to set this up.
I personally dn't care what the salary of the Sheltons were, as long as it was clearly stated and they lived with those means in their personal lives

Still find it curious that of the three most vocal and staunchest defenders are now going mute. Not that difficult to answer and you have never cared till this question whether someone believed you or not, so why now??

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

One question is easy to answer: 3ABN bought the property and Danny grazed his horses on it. Danny didn't have to hire workers for his horse business, he had grounds people from 3ABN work for him on 3ABN company time. Also, he personally spent alot of time when he should have been in the office taking care of his horse business. That is the reason Mollie was so important to Danny, part of her work was doing his work. Mostly Danny was there when important guests arrived and he personally signed contracts.

Care to prove that he had grounds people care for the horses on 3abn time?  Do you make up these lies or do you get them from someone else?  If you were telling the truth, the IRS would have spotted that in a heartbeat and there would have been repurcussions of some kind. THere wasnt.  Now let's see....who should I believe....Sister who cannot prove one accusation she has made and has been exposed as a liar repeatedly...or....the IRS?

DAH

I am here at ASI where I am finding I can gather plenty of information from the people who actually know something.  Danny had plenty of help with the horses that had nothing to do with 3abn. A big source of help was called "family".  He was usually gone on the weekends and it was easy for a neighbor friend or one of the family to go feed and water the horses for a few days.  If he was gone longer, he paid someone to look after them.

The only thing that makes money with horses is if you have a stud with a famous bloodline and charge a hefty fee to breed your horse to another.  Other than that, because of the expenses of vets, feed, shelter the horses didn't make money.  He had them because he loves horses and likes to ride once in awhile.  As usual this is much ado about nothing.  Remember the IRS already looked into these records and found nothing wrong with DS or 3abn.

SAM,
Since you are such an insider, can you tell me who paid for that tarred driveway that goes to the house and then splits and goes all the way to the barn??? And how many yards of tar were used?? And who built the barn??? Was it family and neighbors? Or was it the same benefactor that paid to pave the 3ABN drives and parking areas??? And would it have known IT was paying for both?

I am sure you will have no problem producing recepts to back up your answers, right???

Gailon Arthur Joy

[irspro]

Anybody with contact with the female spouse of the duo may be able to get either an acknowledgment or dismissal of the allegations of a No Change Letter on any individually or joint return allegedly examined for the years ended 12/31/2000 through 12/31/2006 if you really want the facts personally or for public consumption if the circuit hasn't been severed!

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

One question is easy to answer: 3ABN bought the property and Danny grazed his horses on it. Danny didn't have to hire workers for his horse business, he had grounds people from 3ABN work for him on 3ABN company time. Also, he personally spent alot of time when he should have been in the office taking care of his horse business. That is the reason Mollie was so important to Danny, part of her work was doing his work. Mostly Danny was there when important guests arrived and he personally signed contracts.

Care to prove that he had grounds people care for the horses on 3abn time?  Do you make up these lies or do you get them from someone else?  If you were telling the truth, the IRS would have spotted that in a heartbeat and there would have been repurcussions of some kind. THere wasnt.  Now let's see....who should I believe....Sister who cannot prove one accusation she has made and has been exposed as a liar repeatedly...or....the IRS?

DAH

I am here at ASI where I am finding I can gather plenty of information from the people who actually know something.  Danny had plenty of help with the horses that had nothing to do with 3abn. A big source of help was called "family".  He was usually gone on the weekends and it was easy for a neighbor friend or one of the family to go feed and water the horses for a few days.  If he was gone longer, he paid someone to look after them.

The only thing that makes money with horses is if you have a stud with a famous bloodline and charge a hefty fee to breed your horse to another.  Other than that, because of the expenses of vets, feed, shelter the horses didn't make money.  He had them because he loves horses and likes to ride once in awhile.  As usual this is much ado about nothing.  Remember the IRS already looked into these records and found nothing wrong with DS or 3abn.

Why SAM, fallen silent? Looking for "THE" answer or embarrassed by "THE" answer? ANd I ask yet again:

SAM,
Since you are such an insider, can you tell me who paid for that tarred driveway that goes to the house and then splits and goes all the way to the barn??? And how many yards of tar were used?? And who built the barn??? Was it family and neighbors? Or was it the same benefactor that paid to pave the 3ABN drives and parking areas??? And would it have known IT was paying for both?

I am sure you will have no problem producing recepts to back up your answers, right???

Still waiting...and then when we get past this one, I have a few more "inciteful" questions. Could build an entire website on these questions and answers!!! It would be like a daytime soap opera serial, but without the advertising!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy