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[bonnie]

If it exonerates the slandered and defamed it is most fulfilling. It is too bad you see no value in the service provided to the hapless victims...but then you would not understand that, would you?

It is really to bad that you do understand exactly what you are doing when you twist the words of someone else.
It is not I don't see the value of honest sincere help. My granddaughters were helpless victims
There were those with an ax to grind or a chip on their shoulder that would have helped, but that would have been worse than the no help at all.

It is too bad someone did not do the same for your son and I can only say I wish I had known about it. I would have been happy to do the same.

I can only say that I am glad you didn't know about it. It was tough enough without dealing with someone that became so excited at the thought.

And it is TOO BAD you find the published TRUTH so unbearable.

It is TOO BAD that you cannot address what is said, but rather what you wished I had said.

I don't believe it is your reading comprehension that is at fault, some might question honest motives. But please address what I said, not what Gailon Joy was  wishing I had said


Here we go again. Inserting what  you want me to have said instead of what I said. Is it possible for you to stick to what was actually said??

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[Julius Child]

Snoopy, I stand corrected.  Please accept my apology.  I thought you were referring to the Shelton family that was more specifically being discussed as personally benefitting from the ebay sales and etc.  I saw other family member names being bandied about but didn't see reference to Linda Shelton, even when mention was made of the years 2000 - 2006, for which copies of the documents were turned over to the IRS. 

Question; was Linda Shelton still Danny's wife when the barn was built using 3ABN labor and materials, per your acquaintance?

WRONG!!  See my post below from a few days ago where I clearly referred to "the Sheltons."

Nary a soul from either POV has mentioned that Linda Shelton was right there with her former husband, until May of 2004, benefiting from any of the alleged "private inurement" from the misuse of 3ABN funds and labor.

Interesting, sister.

It would seem to me that the fair market value of the rent should be considered taxable income to the Everetts.  I wonder if that was ever included on a W-2 or 1099?

It is also interesting to me that a member of the board of directors, the single group tasked with governance of 3ABN and its resources, would take part in an obvious diversion of organizational resources to the private benefit of the Sheltons.  If I ever had any confidence in the board, it is now gone.  When 3ABN is finally held accountable for these financial misdealings, a good deal of the responsibility should land firmly at the feet of these "directors".

[Snoopy]

No problem, Julius.  I can see how that might not have been clear.  And, I believe Linda and Danny were still married during the barn building.

Snoopy, I stand corrected.  Please accept my apology.  I thought you were referring to the Shelton family that was more specifically being discussed as personally benefitting from the ebay sales and etc.  I saw other family member names being bandied about but didn't see reference to Linda Shelton, even when mention was made of the years 2000 - 2006, for which copies of the documents were turned over to the IRS. 

Question; was Linda Shelton still Danny's wife when the barn was built using 3ABN labor and materials, per your acquaintance?

WRONG!!  See my post below from a few days ago where I clearly referred to "the Sheltons."

Nary a soul from either POV has mentioned that Linda Shelton was right there with her former husband, until May of 2004, benefiting from any of the alleged "private inurement" from the misuse of 3ABN funds and labor.

Interesting, sister.

It would seem to me that the fair market value of the rent should be considered taxable income to the Everetts.  I wonder if that was ever included on a W-2 or 1099?

It is also interesting to me that a member of the board of directors, the single group tasked with governance of 3ABN and its resources, would take part in an obvious diversion of organizational resources to the private benefit of the Sheltons.  If I ever had any confidence in the board, it is now gone.  When 3ABN is finally held accountable for these financial misdealings, a good deal of the responsibility should land firmly at the feet of these "directors".

[Daryl Fawcett]

This is what Danny Shelton said himself about the IRS investigation into both him and 3ABN over at Club Adventist:

Both 3ABN and me were investigated by the IRS. I now understand that the investigation took approx. 10-12 months.

Yes, there were numerous allegations by several people on different forums which call themselves SDA (that's another subject I won't go into today) of financial mis management of 3ABN and myself personally. They have accused me of personal inurement and on and on.

After nearly a year of investigation and over 100,000 pages of documents supplied to the IRS by 3ABN, outside auditors, my publishers,my personal accountants and auditors, dating back over the last six years, the case has now been closed with the IRS!

Not one infraction by 3ABN or me personally was named. The IRS has destroyed all the documents. I only know this as our attorneys received a call from the IRS agent involved wanting to know if we wanted all the documents back or if we wanted the IRS to destroy them. We asked them to destroy the records.

I want to add that we were not asked by the IRS to pay any renumeration whatsoever.

I'm told by my attorneys that the IRS agents involved were very professional, and very courteous. My attorney told me from the outset that he believed that we would come out clean in this investigation as he and his colleagues had unturned every stone looking for a troubled spot in our finances and couldn't find any. After he met the IRS agent he commented to me that he believed her to be a person of integrity simply looking for truth.

This outcome was a great victory for 3ABN as the little mostly SDA forum group led by at least two people that Stan alluded to, were constantly claiming and spreading the news that they had proof of financial wrong doing by myself and 3ABN. I find it interesting that Sister White makes a statment that we have more to fear from within than from without!

Also interesting is the fact that even though, 3ABN has been cleared of wrong doing and the IRS has destroyed all of the 100,000 plus documents, this same little group still claims wrong financial doing by myself and 3ABN. What at first looked like a bad thing to be investigated by the IRS, now is clearly a real blessing! All of the accusers have been proven false accusers by the highest financial authority in the land!

When people have an agenda of pride, holding a grudge, selfishness, etc.,they will never see the truth as it is blinded by their motives!

Thanks to all of you who pray and financially support 3ABN, we continue, by God's grace, to herald the 3 Angels messages to the world!

Here is the link to that topic and post:

http://www.clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/181333/Public_claims_of_illegal_tax_e#Post181333

[Bob Pickle]

So Danny admits that 3ABN ordered documents to be destroyed while litigation is ongoing.

We do have more to fear from within than from without. Danny's refusal to apologize for proven wrongs is proof positive of that.

He could start by apologizing for calling Christians enemies of the gospel if they dare say that he is being investigated by the IRS.

[Bob Pickle]

"This outcome was a great victory for 3ABN as the little mostly SDA forum group led by at least two people that Stan alluded to, were constantly claiming and spreading the news that they had proof of financial wrong doing by myself and 3ABN."

Well, didn't Danny buy a house from 3ABN for $6,139 in 1998, and sell it a week later for $135,000, and deny any section 4958 excess benefit transactions that year under penalty of perjury?

And doesn't he deny above that the IRS were given any records going back to 1998?

[GrandmaNettie]

"This outcome was a great victory for 3ABN as the little mostly SDA forum group led by at least two people that Stan alluded to, were constantly claiming and spreading the news that they had proof of financial wrong doing by myself and 3ABN."

And doesn't he deny above that the IRS were given any records going back to 1998?

Would the IRS allow Danny to dictate what records they were to be given?  Isn't it more likely that the IRS would come in and ask for the records to be given for the years that they were interested in reviewing?

Bob, before or during the IRS investigation/audit, did you or anyone else provide the IRS with the information about the lot 6 real estate transaction that you allege to be private inurement by Danny and Linda Shelton?  If the information was provided to them, why did they only ask for records going back 6 years?

irspro, can you help us understand why the IRS would only ask for financial records going back 6 years instead of 10?

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

"This outcome was a great victory for 3ABN as the little mostly SDA forum group led by at least two people that Stan alluded to, were constantly claiming and spreading the news that they had proof of financial wrong doing by myself and 3ABN."

And doesn't he deny above that the IRS were given any records going back to 1998?

Would the IRS allow Danny to dictate what records they were to be given?  Isn't it more likely that the IRS would come in and ask for the records to be given for the years that they were interested in reviewing?

Bob, before or during the IRS investigation/audit, did you or anyone else provide the IRS with the information about the lot 6 real estate transaction that you allege to be private inurement by Danny and Linda Shelton?  If the information was provided to them, why did they only ask for records going back 6 years?

irspro, can you help us understand why the IRS would only ask for financial records going back 6 years instead of 10?

I believe he already explained it as the three year and six year rule. I am not convinced that is correct as to any criminal investigation. 

In any event, I want you to know that I agree with you that the PBJelly thread is fair game, relevant and needs to be more publicly aired. I have reason to believe that he was a significant player in the Lashley administration and knows full well that his allegations are blatant lies and in fact would have been a subject of several of my articles relating to the maladministration of AUC.

Since my office was less than a mile from the AUC Campus at the time and we regularly hired 3-4 four students each semester, they knew very well that we were targeting Ameriquest and Option One and converting their loans to Federal Housing Adminstration loans. I am sure you understand the implication of this for our PBJelly!!!.And also to your own previously stated concerns.

In fact, he and Lashley held a joint student-faculty assembly to address our published allegations and told faculty and students that the enemies of AUC were less than a mile that way, pointing southeast to five corners where our office was. Obviously, very difficult to believe that any of the players in that drama did not know me!!! Infamously, but definitely knew me, nonetheless!!!

Point is, I would love to air the entire issue regarding credibily here in the public forum where it belongs.

While I understand that runs contrary to your purposes, it suites me just fine anyway!!! I do believe in free speech you recall. Even for you!!!     Actually, especially for you!!! 

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Snoopy]

OK - apologies to all who are upset by my moving that thread.  I just thought it didn't have anything to do with 3ABN so I moved it out of that subforum.  But I can put it back into public view elsewhere, if that is what you all want...

[GrandmaNettie]

I believe he already explained it as the three year and six year rule. I am not convinced that is correct as to any criminal investigation. 

In any event, I want you to know that I agree with you that the PBJelly thread is fair game, relevant and needs to be more publicly aired. I have reason to believe that he was a significant player in the Lashley administration and knows full well that his allegations are blatant lies and in fact would have been a subject of several of my articles relating to the maladministration of AUC.

Gailon Arthur Joy

Can you please link me to where I stated that the PBJelly thread is fair game, relevant and needs to be more publicly aired?  Doesn't sound like any of the replies I have made since pbjelly became a member here.

[irspro]

Why comment on a passel of secondhanded confusing gibberish where you have no possibility of direct communication with the alleged provider?  There may be some misundersandings as to the type of examination such as income tax vs false document over 6 or more years.  The alleged 100,000 document copies are out of character for a No-Change income tax or employment tax audit where I personally only documented income or employment tax audit changes.  The 100,000 document copies may not be out of character for a false document project initiated by the CI Division extending over a six or more year span.  False document projects are not initiated by the Examination Division; however, pockets of non-compliance may be investigated by the CI Division on multiple years without SoL problems.

Income tax audits are generally initiated on the latest year filed and available under the IRS compliance year. If you believe an income tax examination was initiated on multiple years ab initio or initiated on the latest year and extended to prior years without firm examination adjustments in the later years, I have a handsome inventory of bridges for sale.  The application of UBTI on a 990-T would be doubtful or limited at the best from what I could deduce.  Doing an audit on "un-turned stones" is a new one for me after many, many years.  The mere alluding to IRS agent integrity on a public chat board is highy disturbing where alleged records are allegedly destroyed.  FYI, the Treasury Department has a separate integrity division if any see the possibility of integrity problems with its employees.

I made a few examinations of 990s and 990-Ts in my early career; however, you can be assured they were not multi-year No-Changes!  An income tax examiner has the right as well as the responsibility to "inspect" related returns such as the returns of corporate officers when questions of reporting may arise.

I think those with common sense can read the "quote" as an agenda as stated near the end as a need for sympathy in the same manner quoted many times as only found in the dictionary and only there between two other very unsavory terms.  Don't waste your time on SoLs as the Examiners has the responsibility for Forms 872 for extensions where applicable!

[irspro]

The real bottom line is that I personally read nothing short of possible misfeasance or malfeasance if there were 6 years of No-Changes(no infractions) with no further explanation unless the IRS has departed from the old SOP!

[irspro]

Is this type of communication all that can be expected from SDA honesty levels?

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

The real bottom line is that I personally read nothing short of possible misfeasance or malfeasance if there were 6 years of No-Changes(no infractions) with no further explanation unless the IRS has departed from the old SOP!

Beleive me, they speak with forked tongue!!! On the one hand, they oppose our subpoena of the US Attorneys' records for Southern Illinois regarding DLS and 3ABN, then they assert without authority the investigation is ended and the 100,000 documents were destroyed, but they are opposed to the US Attorney providing us with 100,000 plus documents!!!. Good grief...someone want to ask the real truth to stand up?

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Daryl Fawcett]

I agree in this area of thought that, if there is nothing to hide, then why are they so opposed to giving over that which has been requested in relation to the lawsuit both DS and 3ABN have launched against Joy & Pickle?