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[Artiste]

I see the link supplied by Ian to the pdf page containg the Duffy letter, but there does not seem to be any place on the actual 3ABN.org site that links to this letter--I can't find it under news or anywhere else.

Why would this be?

[GrandmaNettie]

Oh good grief...

I don't understand your point. What do cease and desist letters sent by Duffy to Gailon and Nick have to do with not finding a link on 3ABN's home page to Duffy's letter about the IRS investigation?

Bob if  you can't understand the simple point I was making, what does that say about your understanding of the other "evidence" you have reviewed?  What does that say about your conclusions?

Several members went on a tangent about Child of God referring to the supposedly missing letter written by Mr. Duffy as "there you will find IRS Letter 3ABN".

Duane started the little diversion first:

at those who keep calling it an "IRS letter."

You, Bob, jumped on the bandwagon in classic Bob style and said:

Ooooh. Those who call it a letter from the IRS, are they suggesting that the author of the letter was working for the IRS at the time he wrote the letter? If so, how can a lawyer represent a client while working for the other side at the same time?

Obviously, Child of God was not representing that the letter was from the IRS but that it was the letter dealing with the subject of the IRS investigation, whose whereabouts were being discussed.

You took it one step further and said:

I suggest that everyone cease calling it an IRS letter.

Why?  That is clearly what the content of the letter in question was about.


Then Snoopy joined in with:

Now that banner is gone and I cannot find the Duffy letter (as Duane pointed out, there was never an "IRS letter")

So I interjected:

  [GN asks: Which Duffy letter? The one regarding the IRS investigation, the one regarding the Cease and Desist demand or one of the many others Mr. Duffy has written in his capacity as an attorney in this matter?].

Actually, there was indeed an "IRS letter".  It was written by Gerald Duffy.

It is not unusual for a letter from someone to be referred to by the content of the letter rather than the author.  The Bible has many books referred to in just that way; ie Hebrews, Corinthians, Galations, Acts, etc.

I added the quotes from you and Gailon referring to Gerald Duffy's cease and desist letter in the way that you did to demonstrate that you had referred to one of Gerald Duffy's letters by its content (cease and desist) just as Child of God did (IRS).

Do you understand my point now?

[Snoopy]

Oh for pete's sake.  You know Grandma, you are a great one to call others "condescending" and then you come up with something like this.  But for you and the other nitpickers, let me rephrase my original question so you all can understand exactly what I meant:


"The Duffy letter LETTER WRITTEN BY ATTORNEY DUFFY WITH REGARD TO THE IRS seems to have disappeared from the 3ABN.org website.  Any idea why?  Or by whom?"

Oh good grief...

I don't understand your point. What do cease and desist letters sent by Duffy to Gailon and Nick have to do with not finding a link on 3ABN's home page to Duffy's letter about the IRS investigation?

Bob if  you can't understand the simple point I was making, what does that say about your understanding of the other "evidence" you have reviewed?  What does that say about your conclusions?

Several members went on a tangent about Child of God referring to the supposedly missing letter written by Mr. Duffy as "there you will find IRS Letter 3ABN".

Duane started the little diversion first:

at those who keep calling it an "IRS letter."

You, Bob, jumped on the bandwagon in classic Bob style and said:

Ooooh. Those who call it a letter from the IRS, are they suggesting that the author of the letter was working for the IRS at the time he wrote the letter? If so, how can a lawyer represent a client while working for the other side at the same time?

Obviously, Child of God was not representing that the letter was from the IRS but that it was the letter dealing with the subject of the IRS investigation, whose whereabouts were being discussed.

You took it one step further and said:

I suggest that everyone cease calling it an IRS letter.

Why?  That is clearly what the content of the letter in question was about.


Then Snoopy joined in with:

Now that banner is gone and I cannot find the Duffy letter (as Duane pointed out, there was never an "IRS letter")

So I interjected:

  [GN asks: Which Duffy letter? The one regarding the IRS investigation, the one regarding the Cease and Desist demand or one of the many others Mr. Duffy has written in his capacity as an attorney in this matter?].

Actually, there was indeed an "IRS letter".  It was written by Gerald Duffy.

It is not unusual for a letter from someone to be referred to by the content of the letter rather than the author.  The Bible has many books referred to in just that way; ie Hebrews, Corinthians, Galations, Acts, etc.

I added the quotes from you and Gailon referring to Gerald Duffy's cease and desist letter in the way that you did to demonstrate that you had referred to one of Gerald Duffy's letters by its content (cease and desist) just as Child of God did (IRS).

Do you understand my point now?

[GrandmaNettie]

Snoopy, to clarify.... I was not nitpicking your original question about where the letter written by Gerald Duffy about the IRS investigation has gone.  I was addressing Bob's lack of understanding of the point I was attempting to make about the nitpicking by Duane, Bob and you over the manner in which Child of God referred to Gerald Duffy's IRS letter.

[Bob Pickle]

It isn't like "the IRS letter" is the only thing that suggests that the letter is an official communication from the IRS. 3ABN's home page said, "Great NEWS for 3ABN from the IRS!"

So again I want to ask, Does Duffy work for the IRS? According to Duffy's letter, the only "news" from the IRS was, "Do you want these back?" That's hardly "news," let alone "Great NEWS."

Thus, the only way that the note on 3ABN's home page seems to make sense as is is if Duffy works for the IRS, and what he says is news from the IRS.

And of course, that can't be.

As to GN's point which I did not get since it wasn't explicitly stated (I am a man after all), I would think that if you use a term as a modifier that can't possibly author a letter, it would be commonly understood that that modifier would refer to the topic of the letter. And if the modifier could be an author, the modifier would be the author, not the topic.

Thus the 2003 Dryden letter is the letter written by Dryden rather than the 2003 letter written by Riva to Dryden. And the quasi-confession letter is the letter written by Tommy to Duane, not a letter written by someone named quasi-confession.

[Sister]

Snoopy asked the following:

I wonder if there is any big discussion about it at the ASI convention?  Being such big news and all, I would expect it to be a hot topic down there.  Anyone heard anything about it?

Well, the answer is a resounding, "No." I asked a friend last night, who is attending the ASI convention and very familiar with 3ABN, if there is any talking about the IRS investigation publically or around the 3ABN booth. He said, "As far as the IRS situation with 3ABN I have heard absolutely nothing, in fact it is so silent you can hear the crickets chirping all the way north from T'ville..."

[Snoopy]

Ah, Sister...

How very interesting!  Doesn't that seem ever so strange?  Here a potentially HUGE problem for 3ABN has been "resolved"..."completely"...and nobody is talking about it?  Tax-exempt status hangs in the balance and NOBODY is talking about it??  Good grief.

I'd think all would be THRILLED and singing from the rooftops!!  Maybe they are just confused.

Here Elder Gilley broadcast to the world that the investigation was over but Danny and his lawyer said there was NO investigation.

But then another lawyer IN THE SAME FIRM as the lawyer who thought there was no investigation wrote a letter stating the (non-existent) investigation was over.  So that long awaited letter was given prominent billing on the 3ABN.org home page for...what...two weeks?  Only to be replaced and pushed to the depths of the website with narry a link to it...TO MAKE ROOM FOR NEW NEWS?

I guess it is no wonder nobody is talking about it - they don't even know if it happened or not!!  How can one stand on the side of truth when they don't even know what the truth is?

There are three types of people in the world
     - those who make things happen,
     - those who watch things happen, and
     - those who WONDER WHAT HAPPENED!!

Snoopy asked the following:

I wonder if there is any big discussion about it at the ASI convention?  Being such big news and all, I would expect it to be a hot topic down there.  Anyone heard anything about it?

Well, the answer is a resounding, "No." I asked a friend last night, who is attending the ASI convention and very familiar with 3ABN, if there is any talking about the IRS investigation publically or around the 3ABN booth. He said, "As far as the IRS situation with 3ABN I have heard absolutely nothing, in fact it is so silent you can hear the crickets chirping all the way north from T'ville..."

[Jack Indabocks]

Snoopy asked the following:

I wonder if there is any big discussion about it at the ASI convention?  Being such big news and all, I would expect it to be a hot topic down there.  Anyone heard anything about it?

Well, the answer is a resounding, "No." I asked a friend last night, who is attending the ASI convention and very familiar with 3ABN, if there is any talking about the IRS investigation publically or around the 3ABN booth. He said, "As far as the IRS situation with 3ABN I have heard absolutely nothing, in fact it is so silent you can hear the crickets chirping all the way north from T'ville..."

Ah, Sister...

How very interesting!  Doesn't that seem ever so strange?  Here a potentially HUGE problem for 3ABN has been "resolved"..."completely"...and nobody is talking about it?  Tax-exempt status hangs in the balance and NOBODY is talking about it??  Good grief.

I'd think all would be THRILLED and singing from the rooftops!!  Maybe they are just confused.

I consider it more likely that all who were concerned or knew about it,already heard the news, talked about it a bit, rejoiced, and have now moved on.

Only here, does it seem that there is a need to keep regurgitating, chewing on, objecting to, and obsessing about it.

Not healthy imo.


Jax

[bonnie]

I consider it more likely that all who were concerned or knew about it,already heard the news, talked about it a bit, rejoiced, and have now moved on.

Only here, does it seem that there is a need to keep regurgitating, chewing on, objecting to, and obsessing about it.

Not healthy imo.


Jax

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    The IRS Investigation
 on: July 03, 2008, 12:48:59 AM  

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I Just posted the following to Gailon:



Hey Gailon,

How sure are you?

What do you think the chances are that 3ABN will produce the Exoneration letter from the IRS?

50/50?   20/80 ?

Since this is such a hot topic lately I thought it would be both interesting and fun to take a poll and get the consensus here.

The poll only lasts for 7 days so get your vote in on time and make it count.

Same as I wondered I guess when I saw you open this up. Why not just move on? Without the very willing  feeding of the goldfish here by DS defender's this would have had some comments and dissipated . Is this to make sure the fire doesn't go out??



 
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[Gailon Arthur Joy]

The only person that has exonerated 3ABN is ATTY Gerald Duffy!!! Obviously not an IRS specialist as he would most certainly not have needed co-counsel. And we know very well that 3ABN and Danny Lee Shelton cannot be exonerated...IMPOSSIBLE!!! VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE and Duffy should know that!!!

And sister is right, not a single reference or copy of the Duffy Letter at the ASI convention. On the other hand, the huge booth with a live broadcast truck included was a big hit and Elder James Gilley clearly a hit every time he was on the convention floor or in the 3ABN Booth. They also got top billing and prime time space on stage as well.

And did everyone see McNeilus step out from behind the curtain and promote the church building campaign!!! Word is he is a new man with a new agenda and a new perspective and deeply committed to the project. Committed enough to step out and promote it himself. And he is promoting the building of seventh-day Adventist conference churches, not independent ministriy efforts. Do we see a new wind blowing in this man's retirement years?

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Bob Pickle]

Breezy is still in denial over there on 3ABNtalk.

Breezy says the horse shenanigan never happened because Danny checked it out with an accountant, even though it has repeatedly been pointed out that Danny in April 2005 said he had already done that shenanigan on his 2003 tax return. He had already falsified a figure on his 2003 tax return. He had already reported a donation of a horse or horses as cash on his 2003 tax return.

Yet Breezy still wants to deny that it ever happened.

[bonnie]

Would it be a non-issue for some as this would have had to include DS and LS personal income tax file.
Were they personally audited or just 3ABN

[Bob Pickle]

According to both Duffy and Gilley, Danny's personal affairs were investigated as well.

[bonnie]

According to both Duffy and Gilley, Danny's personal affairs were investigated today.

Do you mean he has a personal audit? If it is the same as used to be a audit can only go back three years I think,unless it is a criminal investigation.

[Snoopy]

His affairs were investigated today?  Investigated by whom?  The IRS?  Today?  It only took a day?

According to both Duffy and Gilley, Danny's personal affairs were investigated today.