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[GrandmaNettie]

Ian is 100% correct.  Gailon is wrong.

Michael Kopper, no need to be confused... it just takes careful reading and you will see why Ian is right.

Gailon recently made quite a number of venomous posts about the leaders of the ministry Petunia referred to just before he started in on the attack.   His explanation for why he was casting aspersions on them, inferring awful things about this couple, was that the "miscreant pastor hunter" has stepped onto his battlefield and is fair game for his crosshairs.  I'm of a mind that neither of the young couple are even aware that he thinks they have stepped onto his battlefield.  When they do become aware he just might be looking at a brand new law suit if he doesn't reign in his tongue.

Gailon has concluded that Sam is one or the other, or both.  Sam is neither the "miscreant pastor hunter" nor the "webmaster" as Gailon claims.  Sam stated this in a post.  Will Gailon accept this?  Who knows. Once either Bob or Gailon has reached a conclusion, accurate or not, it seems to be rare that they are willing to accept that they are wrong.

1+1 = 18 Fran?  Only for those who follow the sometimes convoluted logic of Bob and Gailon.  Just brush the cobwebs from your eyes and check out the facts.

Also, as a Christian who believes that Earthlings are of only One Race, and, as the grandmother of a partly-Pomo Native American child, and as the friend of others with Native American blood coursing through their veins, I find the "Tonto"-type references a bit on the offensive side.

Grandma,

I find you offensive, but I doubt that surprises you.

I suspect you also know by now that I DO NOT FEAR ANY THREAT OR ATTEMPT AT LITIGATION, particularly from a pastor hunter or the couple. My conclusion was based on good intelligence. I trust yours is based upon actually speaking to the couple, right? 

And you have still not explained the most obvious of questions, since you are so "in the know" and the couple originate from your coast...why did YOU not ask them to investigate the allegations against Tommy, IF YOU REALLY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ISSUE? You proclaim you are looking for the TRUTH and you perpetually fall short...WHY, Grandma???

Why do you never seem to be able to FIND THE TRUTH?

Whether you like it or not, we have EVIDENCE to support our conclusions...yet you have been at this for how many years and are still searching??? There is no search, it is merely pandering, and you play both sides!!! In fact you play with others who play both sides. Remember Mahta Hari???

Gailon Arthur Joy

No, I am not at all surprised that you find me offensive.  Those who question your behavior generally are found to be offensive to you.  The list of offensive ones will only continue to grow as others continue to open their eyes to the real spirit that drives you.

How do you know I haven't contacted the Thompsonville ministry to look into the Tommy Shelton allegations?  You don't, because as much as you want to believe differently, you are not omniscient.  You also don't know if I have suggested to one or more of the alleged victims that it might be a place to go for healing.

Your information is based on partial and possibly flawed intelligence.  You don't have the whole story; the complete picture.  Does the "miscreant pastor hunter" work for 3abn?  The webmaster does, but does she?

I do happen to know the couple, I just won't provide details further than that.

You have made it abundantly clear that you don't care about behaving in a manner that might bring litigation your way. You freely and irresponsibly set out to attempt to villify others with a kind of smug abandon and seem to think you have some special dispensation to do so.  You don't.  And you are so wrong about me and my friends.  Flawed conclusions based on faulty facts.  Or are you just lying?

I was held hostage in a small room for nearly an entire night by someone with a mindset similar to yours.  By the grace of God I lived through that torment.  I will not stand quietly by while you attempt to focus your twisted fury on those you wish to ruin or attempt to denigrate.

If you wish to squat down and begin writing my sins in the sand, you go right ahead.  Better wear protection on your finger because there are lots of them.  Someone far more Divine just may be writing yours.

My youngest son shared a quote with me that I think really applies...

A wise man once said:

"Arguing on the internet is a lot like the Special Olympics....nobody ever really wins."

[Sam]

Grandma,

I find you offensive, but I doubt that surprises you.

I suspect you also know by now that I DO NOT FEAR ANY THREAT OR ATTEMPT AT LITIGATION, particularly from a pastor hunter or the couple. My conclusion was based on good intelligence. I trust yours is based upon actually speaking to the couple, right? 

And you have still not explained the most obvious of questions, since you are so "in the know" and the couple originate from your coast...why did YOU not ask them to investigate the allegations against Tommy, IF YOU REALLY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ISSUE? You proclaim you are looking for the TRUTH and you perpetually fall short...WHY, Grandma???

Why do you never seem to be able to FIND THE TRUTH?

Whether you like it or not, we have EVIDENCE to support our conclusions...yet you have been at this for how many years and are still searching??? There is no search, it is merely pandering, and you play both sides!!! In fact you play with others who play both sides. Remember Mahta Hari???

Gailon Arthur Joy
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No, I am not at all surprised that you find me offensive.  Those who question your behavior generally are found to be offensive to you.  The list of offensive ones will only continue to grow as others continue to open their eyes to the real spirit that drives you.

How do you know I haven't contacted the Thompsonville ministry to look into the Tommy Shelton allegations?  You don't, because as much as you want to believe differently, you are not omniscient.  You also don't know if I have suggested to one or more of the alleged victims that it might be a place to go for healing.

Your information is based on partial and possibly flawed intelligence.  You don't have the whole story; the complete picture.  Does the "miscreant pastor hunter" work for 3abn?  The webmaster does, but does she?

I do happen to know the couple, I just won't provide details further than that.

You have made it abundantly clear that you don't care about behaving in a manner that might bring litigation your way. You freely and irresponsibly set out to attempt to villify others with a kind of smug abandon and seem to think you have some special dispensation to do so.  You don't.  And you are so wrong about me and my friends.  Flawed conclusions based on faulty facts.  Or are you just lying?

I was held hostage in a small room for nearly an entire night by someone with a mindset similar to yours.  By the grace of God I lived through that torment.  I will not stand quietly by while you attempt to focus your twisted fury on those you wish to ruin or attempt to denigrate.

If you wish to squat down and begin writing my sins in the sand, you go right ahead.  Better wear protection on your finger because there are lots of them.  Someone far more Divine just may be writing yours.

My youngest son shared a quote with me that I think really applies...

A wise man once said:

"Arguing on the internet is a lot like the Special Olympics....nobody ever really wins."

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Grandma isn't it sad that all Joy's evil surmising and innuendo is simply because he thought I was one of the couple mentioned?  Since I'm not all of his remarks and put downs are for nothing against people he doesn't know.  How sad that Joy will use anyone or anything to try and look like he is a step ahead of everyone else.  What's really sad is he is several steps behind.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Obviously you are the one factually challenged.  I said I don't know them personally...and I don't.  I know of them. Got it?

As far as your "sins in the sand"...

1. This may come as a shock to you but you aren't Jesus.

2. You claimed to have "all the evidence" of financial wrong doing also...You didn't.  You have information but it isn't the kind you can enter into a court of law. Gossip ,lies and false claims won't hold up in a federal court just like they didn't hold up in the IRS investigation.

3. Your threats to expose the sins of others may be the stone that rolls back on you.  Your closet is full of stuff that can be verified and entered as evidence in a court of law.

4. Then, it must be noted, if you did have something on all 140 employees that work at 3abn, what does that have to do with the lawsuit you are in?  You have made particular accusations (mostly of financial wrong doing) and defamed people in the process. Now that the IRS has blown the financial allegations out of the water do you think a federal judge cares if you think Danny didn't have grounds to remarry or that you didn't approve of the way 3abn handled certain situation?  Get a grip on reality.

Remember Gailon, the ones that fed you false information about 3abn finances are the same ones that are telling you other stories.  Do you now think they are credible sources?  Also remember that everything you are doing to mislead your skeleton crew will come out in the open and it will be your sins written in the sand.

I am not concerned about my sins. But your Stone comment  is classic Danny!!!

1) I am not Jesus, but the sins of the camp are the sins of the camp...do you think that only Jesus knows the sins???

2) I can safely affirm that I have evidence. It is clear that you are doing your best to prevent the discovery of evidence, but did you see Judge Carmody's order? Bring your xanax as you will need it!!!

3) I am waiting to see just what is relevant? Your version of relevance is irrelevant. But, since my sins are already known, I will not worry about any stones!!!

4) I am only concerned with officers, directors and their families. Remember, you have alleged that we have charged 3ABN with...ah, you know, that favoring family thing???

We clearly have a different personality manning the SAM station tonight!!! Good to see you!!!

By the way, did you get your file closed letter from the IRS yet? Post it just below Duffy, will you?

Will you be adding the investigator to the witness list? Boy, would that be a real feather in the old cap!!! or would it be a stone that rolled back on you???

Gailon Arthur Joy

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[GrandmaNettie]

(Good news, Sam..... looks like you are no longer the "miscreant pastor hunter" or her "webmaster".  It seems we are back to you being Danny again.  Sam, are you Danny Shelton?  I really doubt it because Danny Shelton personally knows the "miscreant pastor hunter" and her "webmaster" and you said  you didn't.  At least Danny Shelton knows them well enough to interview them both and have the webmaster as an employee.  Perhaps we should remind Gailon of that fact.)

Gailon.  Just a little thought here.  You might be wrong about who Sam is.... still.  So, continuing to address Sam as though Sam is whoever you think he/she is on any given day makes you look rather silly, IMO.

Instead of trying to unmask or pin an ID onto Sam, perhaps it would be a good idea to review your evidence and make certain every shred of it is really true.  The more you have in your evidence file that turns out to be factually challenged, the less the chance that you will prevail before either the Federal court or the court of public opinion.

BTW, just who was it that dubbed you the official sin-in-the-camp-cleaner-upper anyway?  There is sin in every camp.  There is a right way to deal with sin and there is a wrong way.

[Fran]

Yes, there is a right way to get sin out of the camp.  That has already been tried.  Danny wouldn't allow it and ASI backed out, remember?  Oh, I almost forgot, it was all Linda's fault, right?  How could I forget that!

[Bob Pickle]

2. You claimed to have "all the evidence" of financial wrong doing also...You didn't.  You have information but it isn't the kind you can enter into a court of law. Gossip ,lies and false claims won't hold up in a federal court just like they didn't hold up in the IRS investigation.

So you are calling Danny Shelton's claim that he falsified a figure on his 2003 tax return "gossip ,lies and false claims"? Isn't that a bit strong?

You have made particular accusations (mostly of financial wrong doing) and defamed people in the process.

Are you repeating the assertion of another, or are you telling a bald-faced lie? I highly doubt that the majority of the allegations are of a financial nature. A huge chunk of them have to do with Tommy, and a huge chunk of them have to do with Linda. You really think at least 51% of the allegations have to do with finances, or is that just propaganda from the other side?

By the way, you asserted that Danny and Linda made a pittance in 1998, and used that as justification for the private inurement of the real estate deal. You haven't explained how a combined salary of $94,000+ is a mere pittance. Care to try to do so now?

Now that the IRS has blown the financial allegations out of the water do you think a federal judge cares if you think Danny didn't have grounds to remarry or that you didn't approve of the way 3abn handled certain situation?  Get a grip on reality.

You are the one who needs to get a grip on reality. In reality, 3ABN and Danny Shelton asked a jury to determine whether he had biblical grounds to divorce and remarry, and so the jury is going to have to look at that whether they want to or not.

Remember Gailon, the ones that fed you false information about 3abn finances are the same ones that are telling you other stories.  Do you now think they are credible sources?

No, Danny is not the most credible source in the world, that is for sure. But what makes you think he would lie when he said that he falsified a figure on his 2003 tax return?

More than that, what information about 3ABN finances do you think has been proven false?

[Bob Pickle]

No, I am not at all surprised that you find me offensive.  Those who question your behavior generally are found to be offensive to you.  The list of offensive ones will only continue to grow as others continue to open their eyes to the real spirit that drives you.

Your response is directed to Gailon, but I will say that you maybe need to ask what spirit drove you to write those unkind words about me.

"Once either Bob or Gailon has reached a conclusion, accurate or not, it seems to be rare that they are willing to accept that they are wrong. ... Only for those who follow the sometimes convoluted logic of Bob and Gailon."

Why write such things? What accurate conclusion have I reached that I have not been willing to accept was wrong? What inaccurate conclusion have I reached that I have not been willing to accept was wrong? Where have I used convoluted logic?

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

(Good news, Sam..... looks like you are no longer the "miscreant pastor hunter" or her "webmaster".  It seems we are back to you being Danny again.  Sam, are you Danny Shelton?  I really doubt it because Danny Shelton personally knows the "miscreant pastor hunter" and her "webmaster" and you said  you didn't.  At least Danny Shelton knows them well enough to interview them both and have the webmaster as an employee.  Perhaps we should remind Gailon of that fact.)

Gailon.  Just a little thought here.  You might be wrong about who Sam is.... still.  So, continuing to address Sam as though Sam is whoever you think he/she is on any given day makes you look rather silly, IMO.

Instead of trying to unmask or pin an ID onto Sam, perhaps it would be a good idea to review your evidence and make certain every shred of it is really true.  The more you have in your evidence file that turns out to be factually challenged, the less the chance that you will prevail before either the Federal court or the court of public opinion.

BTW, just who was it that dubbed you the official sin-in-the-camp-cleaner-upper anyway?  There is sin in every camp.  There is a right way to deal with sin and there is a wrong way.

Well, Grandma, still hanging in there, I see. Your venom builds beneath that spirit of self righteousness. Oh, what fun it is to pluck your feathers!!!

1) I am suggesting there is the probability that we have different personalities associated with the posting name SAM, not an unusual occurence in the history of this conflict. But your point that addressing who it is on any given day is clearly immortal. I am guessing you have known for a while that I do not care what your opinion (IMO) is. I find it frequently farsical.

2) The stone rolling back is classic Danny quote. Didn't say it was Danny, grandma.

3) Grandma, the evidence is building and I leave you to your tears of sorrow. Maybe your true allegiances are becoming clear. Is that why you are so stuck on still looking for the truth? Maybe it is right in your back yard. Get out the pick and shovel and...voila...the truth!!!

In the interim, Grandma, keep up that heat. Always a great challenge!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

[GrandmaNettie]

(Good news, Sam..... looks like you are no longer the "miscreant pastor hunter" or her "webmaster".  It seems we are back to you being Danny again.  Sam, are you Danny Shelton?  I really doubt it because Danny Shelton personally knows the "miscreant pastor hunter" and her "webmaster" and you said  you didn't.  At least Danny Shelton knows them well enough to interview them both and have the webmaster as an employee.  Perhaps we should remind Gailon of that fact.)

Gailon.  Just a little thought here.  You might be wrong about who Sam is.... still.  So, continuing to address Sam as though Sam is whoever you think he/she is on any given day makes you look rather silly, IMO.

Instead of trying to unmask or pin an ID onto Sam, perhaps it would be a good idea to review your evidence and make certain every shred of it is really true.  The more you have in your evidence file that turns out to be factually challenged, the less the chance that you will prevail before either the Federal court or the court of public opinion.

BTW, just who was it that dubbed you the official sin-in-the-camp-cleaner-upper anyway?  There is sin in every camp.  There is a right way to deal with sin and there is a wrong way.

Well, Grandma, still hanging in there, I see. Your venom builds beneath that spirit of self righteousness. Oh, what fun it is to pluck your feathers!!!

It's called resolve, Gailon.  I am no better or no worse than any other human being on this planet and hardly self righteous, but I do have principles that I stand by. 

How does your wife feel about you plucking the feathers of a married woman?  Seems a rather tacky and inappropriate thing to say, IMO.

1) I am suggesting there is the probability that we have different personalities associated with the posting name SAM, not an unusual occurence in the history of this conflict. But your point that addressing who it is on any given day is clearly immortal. I am guessing you have known for a while that I do not care what your opinion (IMO) is. I find it frequently farsical.

Suggesting?  What I read is more like an unequivocal statment:

Some of the multiple personality respondents have clearly fallen silent. But, as we have seen, there are clearly rotating shifts and someone will be back someday!!!

But then, there is always Grandma Nettie. She should be good for a response. Come on, Grandma, I have my red cape out!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

2) The stone rolling back is classic Danny quote. Didn't say it was Danny, grandma.

No, you didn't say the name "Danny", but who else were you addressing in this post?

I am not concerned about my sins. But your Stone comment  is classic Danny!!!

1) I am not Jesus, but the sins of the camp are the sins of the camp...do you think that only Jesus knows the sins???

2) I can safely affirm that I have evidence. It is clear that you are doing your best to prevent the discovery of evidence, but did you see Judge Carmody's order? Bring your xanax as you will need it!!!
3) I am waiting to see just what is relevant? Your version of relevance is irrelevant. But, since my sins are already known, I will not worry about any stones!!!

4) I am only concerned with officers, directors and their families. Remember, you have alleged that we have charged 3ABN with...ah, you know, that favoring family thing???

We clearly have a different personality manning the SAM station tonight!!! Good to see you!!!

By the way, did you get your file closed letter from the IRS yet? Post it just below Duffy, will you?

Will you be adding the investigator to the witness list? Boy, would that be a real feather in the old cap!!! or would it be a stone that rolled back on you???

Gailon Arthur Joy

3) Grandma, the evidence is building and I leave you to your tears of sorrow. Maybe your true allegiances are becoming clear. Is that why you are so stuck on still looking for the truth? Maybe it is right in your back yard. Get out the pick and shovel and...voila...the truth!!!

In the interim, Grandma, keep up that heat. Always a great challenge!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

I prefer to find and verify facts in the more traditional manner.  Is the dirt in your back yard where you are coming up with your evidence, your facts?

Perhaps you were just tired, stressed out or muddled and flustered because, IMO, your recent posts have neither edified your position in any manner nor ruffled my feathers.

[Sam]

Obviously you are the one factually challenged.  I said I don't know them personally...and I don't.  I know of them. Got it?

As far as your "sins in the sand"...

1. This may come as a shock to you but you aren't Jesus.

2. You claimed to have "all the evidence" of financial wrong doing also...You didn't.  You have information but it isn't the kind you can enter into a court of law. Gossip ,lies and false claims won't hold up in a federal court just like they didn't hold up in the IRS investigation.

3. Your threats to expose the sins of others may be the stone that rolls back on you.  Your closet is full of stuff that can be verified and entered as evidence in a court of law.

4. Then, it must be noted, if you did have something on all 140 employees that work at 3abn, what does that have to do with the lawsuit you are in?  You have made particular accusations (mostly of financial wrong doing) and defamed people in the process. Now that the IRS has blown the financial allegations out of the water do you think a federal judge cares if you think Danny didn't have grounds to remarry or that you didn't approve of the way 3abn handled certain situation?  Get a grip on reality.

Remember Gailon, the ones that fed you false information about 3abn finances are the same ones that are telling you other stories.  Do you now think they are credible sources?  Also remember that everything you are doing to mislead your skeleton crew will come out in the open and it will be your sins written in the sand.

I am not concerned about my sins. But your Stone comment  is classic Danny!!!

1) I am not Jesus, but the sins of the camp are the sins of the camp...do you think that only Jesus knows the sins???

2) I can safely affirm that I have evidence. It is clear that you are doing your best to prevent the discovery of evidence, but did you see Judge Carmody's order? Bring your xanax as you will need it!!!

3) I am waiting to see just what is relevant? Your version of relevance is irrelevant. But, since my sins are already known, I will not worry about any stones!!!

4) I am only concerned with officers, directors and their families. Remember, you have alleged that we have charged 3ABN with...ah, you know, that favoring family thing???

We clearly have a different personality manning the SAM station tonight!!! Good to see you!!!

By the way, did you get your file closed letter from the IRS yet? Post it just below Duffy, will you?

Will you be adding the investigator to the witness list? Boy, would that be a real feather in the old cap!!! or would it be a stone that rolled back on you???

Gailon Arthur Joy

Gailon, your stabs at who you think is posting make little sense to me, since you are always wrong, and make even less sense to those reading.  By trying to be cute your posts end up making no sense, going nowhere, and end up sounding like they are written by someone not quite playing with a full deck.

I will address what I can make out.

Evidence.  You clearly do not have "evidence".  You have information. Big difference.  If you cannot see the difference I'm sure the Federal Judge will be more than happy to explain it to you.

You have signed statements by ex spouses, ex employees, friends of both, etc saying that they witnessed or in some way "know" this or that.  When they are called to the stand, they will have no way of proving their statements.  It will all end up as heresay just as the financial allegations have.

Your sins are already known?  No...your embezzelment is already known...Big difference.

As for your comments that imply Sam is 2 different people let me promise you that is not the case. I am the same past, present and future. No one else posts for me.  They say people always accuse you of things they are guilty of. Makes me wonder if this doesn't apply to you and your side.

An investigator?  I have no idea what you are trying to imply with that one.

You are concerned with officers, directors and their families?  First of all who is a "director"?  I haven't heard anyone associated with 3abn called a director except the production directors.  And..what are you concerned about?  Let me guess.  You have been told more "stories" about them..people willing to testify that they did this or said that.  But, again, it will be he said/she said as your witnesses will have no evidence that stands up in a court of law.

You are right about one thing. My version of what is relevant is irrelevant since I am not an attorney for 3abn. But, what you want will be irrelevant also. The judge will decide.

Yes, Jesus knows all sin and everyone has or has had sin in their lives at one time or another.  We can safely say we are all on equal footing when it comes to that subject.

I know nothing about a file closed letter from the IRS. I read the letter from the attorney's that were in contact with the IRS. That's good enough for me and most of the population.

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[Bob Pickle]

Sam,

So you are saying that Danny's and Walt's written statements are mere he said/she said, and won't hold up in court because he doesn't know what he is talking about?

And you don't know what a director is?

[Snoopy]

You have GOT to be kidding!!  Who is a director??  You really don't know??

Gailon, your stabs at who you think is posting make little sense to me, since you are always wrong, and make even less sense to those reading.  By trying to be cute your posts end up making no sense, going nowhere, and end up sounding like they are written by someone not quite playing with a full deck.

I will address what I can make out.

Evidence.  You clearly do not have "evidence".  You have information. Big difference.  If you cannot see the difference I'm sure the Federal Judge will be more than happy to explain it to you.

You have signed statements by ex spouses, ex employees, friends of both, etc saying that they witnessed or in some way "know" this or that.  When they are called to the stand, they will have no way of proving their statements.  It will all end up as heresay just as the financial allegations have.

Your sins are already known?  No...your embezzelment is already known...Big difference.

As for your comments that imply Sam is 2 different people let me promise you that is not the case. I am the same past, present and future. No one else posts for me.  They say people always accuse you of things they are guilty of. Makes me wonder if this doesn't apply to you and your side.

An investigator?  I have no idea what you are trying to imply with that one.

You are concerned with officers, directors and their families?  First of all who is a "director"?  I haven't heard anyone associated with 3abn called a director except the production directors.  And..what are you concerned about?  Let me guess.  You have been told more "stories" about them..people willing to testify that they did this or said that.  But, again, it will be he said/she said as your witnesses will have no evidence that stands up in a court of law.

You are right about one thing. My version of what is relevant is irrelevant since I am not an attorney for 3abn. But, what you want will be irrelevant also. The judge will decide.

Yes, Jesus knows all sin and everyone has or has had sin in their lives at one time or another.  We can safely say we are all on equal footing when it comes to that subject.

I know nothing about a file closed letter from the IRS. I read the letter from the attorney's that were in contact with the IRS. That's good enough for me and most of the population.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Gailon, your stabs at who you think is posting make little sense to me, since you are always wrong, and make even less sense to those reading.  By trying to be cute your posts end up making no sense, going nowhere, and end up sounding like they are written by someone not quite playing with a full deck.

I will address what I can make out.

Evidence.  You clearly do not have "evidence".  You have information. Big difference.  If you cannot see the difference I'm sure the Federal Judge will be more than happy to explain it to you.
You have signed statements by ex spouses, ex employees, friends of both, etc saying that they witnessed or in some way "know" this or that.  When they are called to the stand, they will have no way of proving their statements.  It will all end up as heresay just as the financial allegations have.

Your sins are already known?  No...your embezzelment is already known...Big difference.

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SAM,
Unfortunately for you, I know what "evidence" is and we have enough. Just for the record, the statements of witnesses entered into the record is "evidence". But, we have plenty of "physical evidence" in the form of documents and exhibits. Enough to convince more than one judge that we have a basis for our subpoenas. And we will have more to come. I realize it is Danny's only strategy to keep us from getting "physical evidence" but he has failed in Minnesotta, Michigan and several other jurisdictions and he will fail in Southern Illinois and other jurisdictions. GET USE TO IT!!!

The PHYSICAL EVIDENCE IS BUILDING QUITE NICELY AND SEEMS TO SUPPORT THE STATEMENTS OF ALL THOSE WITNESSES!!! Now, SAM, what is the back-up plan as you watch the first one erode!!!

Let's see, what are the options...put Danny on the stand and let him deny the factuality of the exhibits??? Or maybe you could get his Attorney to testify???
Me thinks you has lost this game and me thinks that you will loose at trial. And me thinks that you will have to concoct some story to cover the loss!!!

Oh, yeah, there is one more option...Danny could simply dismiss the Federal Lawsuit,  declare victory, you know, the way he claims the IRS case found nothing!!! Pretend it is all over and then pray that we don't file suit for misuse of process!!! Sorry, oh boy, that is a checkmate against 3ABN and not a good exit strategy. Would get quite expensive and we would have to get those documents anyway. Not a good strategy!!! And the lawyers would have a vested interest as well!!!

Now what???

That is what me knows!!! But who am I?

Gailon Arthur Joy

[irspro]

Gailon, your stabs at who you think is posting make little sense to me, since you are always wrong, and make even less sense to those reading.  By trying to be cute your posts end up making no sense, going nowhere, and end up sounding like they are written by someone not quite playing with a full deck.

I will address what I can make out.

Evidence.  You clearly do not have "evidence".  You have information. Big difference.  If you cannot see the difference I'm sure the Federal Judge will be more than happy to explain it to you.
You have signed statements by ex spouses, ex employees, friends of both, etc saying that they witnessed or in some way "know" this or that.  When they are called to the stand, they will have no way of proving their statements.  It will all end up as heresay just as the financial allegations have.

Your sins are already known?  No...your embezzelment is already known...Big difference.

SAM,
Unfortunately for you, I know what "evidence" is and we have enough. Just for the record, the statements of witnesses entered into the record is "evidence". But, we have plenty of "physical evidence" in the form of documents and exhibits. Enough to convince more than one judge that we have a basis for our subpoenas. And we will have more to come. I realize it is Danny's only strategy to keep us from getting "physical evidence" but he has failed in Minnesotta, Michigan and several other jurisdictions and he will fail in Southern Illinois and other jurisdictions. GET USE TO IT!!!

The PHYSICAL EVIDENCE IS BUILDING QUITE NICELY AND SEEMS TO SUPPORT THE STATEMENTS OF ALL THOSE WITNESSES!!! Now, SAM, what is the back-up plan as you watch the first one erode!!!

Let's see, what are the options...put Danny on the stand and let him deny the factuality of the exhibits??? Or maybe you could get his Attorney to testify???
Me thinks you has lost this game and me thinks that you will loose at trial. And me thinks that you will have to concoct some story to cover the loss!!!

Oh, yeah, there is one more option...Danny could simply dismiss the Federal Lawsuit,  declare victory, you know, the way he claims the IRS case found nothing!!! Pretend it is all over and then pray that we don't file suit for misuse of process!!! Sorry, oh boy, that is a checkmate against 3ABN and not a good exit strategy. Would get quite expensive and we would have to get those documents anyway. Not a good strategy!!! And the lawyers would have a vested interest as well!!!

Now what???

That is what me knows!!! But who am I?

Gailon Arthur Joy

 The internal control of morals\finances used within the regularly organized church are in a sad state of affairs.  I base this on what I have learned from a number of well-positioned unimpeachable members in re conference leadership constituency nominating committe's ousting a conference president in each of three separate vote when the union president urged a truce to allow the president to remain where he would personally see that a solution was effected within a reasonable window.  I think we may be nearing a third year of a quinquinnum with no outward indication of any movement whatsoever.

I have generally viewed each alleged cooperating independent ministry, no matter the affiliation, as a Davidian\Kresh-type empowered as a potential financial leach and\or moral\Advent message diluting vehicle whereby any voting power  accompanys any of the various and sundry corpate empowering provisions or by-laws of the appurtenant affililiations.

My view of the demeaning influence of the leaders of the regularly organized church in re organized financial support of alleged supporting independent ministries is waning directly in proportion to the organized church's view of the moral values being publicly displayed by that alleged cooperating ministire's leadership, internal control, and directorship controls when viewed with their own corporate needs.  I see little demeaning influence of any message board flowing outside the confines of the conservative membership of the Advent church  in their feeble corporate attempt to manage their own financial needs over the mid-term.  Those with lack of moral and financial confidence building finesse and without an educational level to compliment same can also have a negative influence on financial management confidences for continued support.

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My view of the demeaning influence of the leaders of the regularly organized church in re organized financial support of alleged supporting independent ministries is waning directly in proportion to the organized church's view of the moral values being publicly displayed by that alleged cooperating ministire's leadership, internal control, and directorship controls when viewed with their own corporate needs.   I see little demeaning influence of any message board flowing outside the confines of the conservative membership of the Advent church  in their feeble corporate attempt to manage their own financial needs over the mid-term.  Those with lack of moral and financial confidence building finesse and without an educational level to compliment same can also have a negative influence on financial management confidences for continued support.

Hi irspro,
I wish I could say that I understand your long, vague sentences any better than I did over at BSDA, but alas, I must be legally/numerically challenged, because at least half the time I am not quite sure what you are trying to say.        Any way you can put it more simply?
scratsmom...