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[ex3abnemployee]

You are misleading your followers about the IRS investigation. You know it, and God knows it. They will find out sooner or later.

And YOU are misleading others about my age at the time I was abused. You know it, and God knows it. They will find out sooner or later.

[Michael Kopper]

now im confused after reading gramanetties post in the other thread

gramanettie holers at gailon for his venomous jab at a couple in ministry to help abuse victims and then sam comes along and says he isnt a part of that couple

so which is it?

who is wrong gramanettie or sam?

You know, I was just thinking of the term "condescending" in relation to Sam and the way he talks to Bob.

Don't be so sure it is "he"...what if it is the miscreant pastor hunter herself? And her rather savvy webmaster? Would you know which which is which at which time?   

ANd wonder if those miscreant pastors investigated ever included Pastor Tommy Ray Shelton?

Perhaps we should have some "victims" file complaints and see how they handle them? What say yee???

Gailon Arthur Joy

What purpose does it serve to lay out such a venomous jab in what appears to be an attempt to discredit a couple who are in ministry to help victims of abuse?  Do you have evidence that they are doing something wrong?  Or is it somehow implied that they are complicit to all you perceive wrong at 3abn since they are, to a degree, associated with 3abn?

And why have you waited for nearly two years before wondering if you should "have some victims" file complaints.  If you have that kind of pull with alleged victims, why, in heaven's name, have you waited for nearly two years to have them take action?  Or is it your purpose to attempt to lay a clever trap for the "miscreant pastor hunter" and the "webmaster" to get some "Aha! See?" evidence that they are helping in the cover up that has nothing to do with attempting to help those who have alleged pastoral abuse?  That is exploiting those alleged victims; further abusing them, IMO

Just shaking my head at the spirit permeating your post, Gailon.

Who will be the next person or persons you level the crosshairs on?  I suppose the greater question is "Why"?

I don't know if you are just fishing or if you are just that uninformed and I don't really care. So, I will be glad to tell you that I am not a part of the couple that are aiming your smart remarks at.  As usual, you have brought them in tried to slam them for no apparent reason.  I do not know them personally and you don't either, so why continue to make remarks like you do?

The joke of this whole thing is that personally don't know most of the people you try to ruin.  If you ever got to know some of them you may find out that they are nothing like you thought....you might even like some of them.  IMO those feelings wouldn't be returned as you make it impossible for anyone to like or trust you.

You are misleading your followers about the IRS investigation. You know it, and God knows it. They will find out sooner or later.

[Cindy]

now im confused after reading gramanetties post in the other thread

gramanettie holers at gailon for his venomous jab at a couple in ministry to help abuse victims and then sam comes along and says he isnt a part of that couple

so which is it?

who is wrong gramanettie or sam?

Neither were wrong, nor contradictory.

Gailon was the one who was wrong....

You know, I was just thinking of the term "condescending" in relation to Sam and the way he talks to Bob.

Don't be so sure it is "he"...what if it is the miscreant pastor hunter herself? And her rather savvy webmaster? Would you know which which is which at which time?   

ANd wonder if those miscreant pastors investigated ever included Pastor Tommy Ray Shelton?

Perhaps we should have some "victims" file complaints and see how they handle them? What say yee???

Gailon Arthur Joy

What purpose does it serve to lay out such a venomous jab in what appears to be an attempt to discredit a couple who are in ministry to help victims of abuse?  Do you have evidence that they are doing something wrong?  Or is it somehow implied that they are complicit to all you perceive wrong at 3abn since they are, to a degree, associated with 3abn?

And why have you waited for nearly two years before wondering if you should "have some victims" file complaints.  If you have that kind of pull with alleged victims, why, in heaven's name, have you waited for nearly two years to have them take action?  Or is it your purpose to attempt to lay a clever trap for the "miscreant pastor hunter" and the "webmaster" to get some "Aha! See?" evidence that they are helping in the cover up that has nothing to do with attempting to help those who have alleged pastoral abuse?  That is exploiting those alleged victims; further abusing them, IMO

Just shaking my head at the spirit permeating your post, Gailon.

Who will be the next person or persons you level the crosshairs on?  I suppose the greater question is "Why"?

I don't know if you are just fishing or if you are just that uninformed and I don't really care. So, I will be glad to tell you that I am not a part of the couple that are aiming your smart remarks at.  As usual, you have brought them in tried to slam them for no apparent reason.  I do not know them personally and you don't either, so why continue to make remarks like you do?

The joke of this whole thing is that personally don't know most of the people you try to ruin.  If you ever got to know some of them you may find out that they are nothing like you thought....you might even like some of them.  IMO those feelings wouldn't be returned as you make it impossible for anyone to like or trust you.

You are misleading your followers about the IRS investigation. You know it, and God knows it. They will find out sooner or later.

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[Fran]

Now im confused after reading gramanetties post in the other thread.

Gramanettie holers at Gailon for his venomous jab at a couple in ministry to help abuse victims, and then sam comes along and says he isnt a part of that couple.

So which is it?

Who is wrong, Gramanettie or Sam?

Neither were wrong, nor contradictory.

Gailon was the one who was wrong....

And, 2+2=18.

[bonnie]

Now im confused after reading gramanetties post in the other thread.

Gramanettie holers at Gailon for his venomous jab at a couple in ministry to help abuse victims, and then sam comes along and says he isnt a part of that couple.

So which is it?

Who is wrong, Gramanettie or Sam?

Neither were wrong, nor contradictory.

Gailon was the one who was wrong....

And, 2+2=18.

You done got some goofy math lady  

[Fran]

Me have whompum BIG sheep skin in wolfed frame.  me canum gvb54r count, right?

[bonnie]

Me have whompum BIG sheep skin in wolfed frame.  me canum gvb54r count, right?

I understood the first part, but boy did you lose me in that last part.....me canum gvb54r count, right?


Sheep skin in wolf frame I understand
.

[GrandmaNettie]

Ian is 100% correct.  Gailon is wrong.

Michael Kopper, no need to be confused... it just takes careful reading and you will see why Ian is right.

Gailon recently made quite a number of venomous posts about the leaders of the ministry Petunia referred to just before he started in on the attack.   His explanation for why he was casting aspersions on them, inferring awful things about this couple, was that the "miscreant pastor hunter" has stepped onto his battlefield and is fair game for his crosshairs.  I'm of a mind that neither of the young couple are even aware that he thinks they have stepped onto his battlefield.  When they do become aware he just might be looking at a brand new law suit if he doesn't reign in his tongue.

Gailon has concluded that Sam is one or the other, or both.  Sam is neither the "miscreant pastor hunter" nor the "webmaster" as Gailon claims.  Sam stated this in a post.  Will Gailon accept this?  Who knows. Once either Bob or Gailon has reached a conclusion, accurate or not, it seems to be rare that they are willing to accept that they are wrong.

1+1 = 18 Fran?  Only for those who follow the sometimes convoluted logic of Bob and Gailon.  Just brush the cobwebs from your eyes and check out the facts.

Also, as a Christian who believes that Earthlings are of only One Race, and, as the grandmother of a partly-Pomo Native American child, and as the friend of others with Native American blood coursing through their veins, I find the "Tonto"-type references a bit on the offensive side.

[Child_of_God]

GrandmaNettie, I agree that some might take offense. I have some native american blood coursing through my veins but I will not take offense because I also realize that some people get their tongues running before putting their brain in gear. :-)

[Fran]

I have 6, honest to God, Native American children!  Get a grip! They didn't get offended. 

I just be stupeedo.            Wher am me tail?    Gulp!   

[Child_of_God]

Your children are to be commended. What I said is that some might take offense.

[bonnie]

I have 6, honest to God, Native American children!  Get a grip! They didn't get offended. 

I just be stupeedo.            Wher am me tail?    Gulp!   

Just a little fun here. We had Native American boys/brothers as foster children. They were some much fun with them. They used to play cowboys and indians with my four. Wesley the youngest came in crying a couple of times.
He was upset with my four and the neighbor boys because he had to always be the "indian"
It was so hard not to laugh when he would tell me why he was crying.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

I don't know if you are just fishing or if you are just that uninformed and I don't really care. So, I will be glad to tell you that I am not a part of the couple that are aiming your smart remarks at.  As usual, you have brought them in tried to slam them for no apparent reason.  I do not know them personally and you don't either, so why continue to make remarks like you do?

The joke of this whole thing is that personally don't know most of the people you try to ruin.  If you ever got to know some of them you may find out that they are nothing like you thought....you might even like some of them.  IMO those feelings wouldn't be returned as you make it impossible for anyone to like or trust you.

You are misleading your followers about the IRS investigation. You know it, and God knows it. They will find out sooner or later.

What remarks concern you? I have not impuned character or reputation, yet.

But, you are obviously factually challenged here...you referenced a couple? What couple? And if they work at 3ABN and you are close enough to know all the players, then you KNOW THE COUPLE!!!

I stand by my remarks and suggest you start with cleaning up your own camp and Lord knows just how much cleaning there is need of. If you would like me to REALLY start itemizing the sins in the sand, right here on Advent Talk, I should be quite happy to. I doubt you or the 3ABN family wants that much exposure and it is not our purpose to do so. We simply want the mess cleaned up and assurances it will not recur.

As to the IRS Investigation, apparently I know as much as you do. It is clear that all the stuff printed and televised is conjecture purportedly based upon a document disposal request for 13,000 documents. Beyond what your factually challenged camp has printed, I know nothing other than that my poll of those that I know contributed documents, NONE...NADYA....ZIP...ZILCH have been sent documents of been questioned regarding destruction. Perhaps you should list those that have and I shall be happy to question them for clarification, but
DO NOT ASK ME TO BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU OR ANYONE ELSE SAYS AT 3ABN as I have WAY TOO MUCH EVIDENCE THAT THE PLACE IS FULL OF FACTUALLY CHALLENGED COMMENTATORS!!! THAT IS EVIDENCES BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

Say hello to your couple and get them to investigate the allegations against Tommy and stop playing the farsical role...ignorance does not become you!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Ian is 100% correct.  Gailon is wrong.

Michael Kopper, no need to be confused... it just takes careful reading and you will see why Ian is right.

Gailon recently made quite a number of venomous posts about the leaders of the ministry Petunia referred to just before he started in on the attack.   His explanation for why he was casting aspersions on them, inferring awful things about this couple, was that the "miscreant pastor hunter" has stepped onto his battlefield and is fair game for his crosshairs.  I'm of a mind that neither of the young couple are even aware that he thinks they have stepped onto his battlefield.  When they do become aware he just might be looking at a brand new law suit if he doesn't reign in his tongue.

Gailon has concluded that Sam is one or the other, or both.  Sam is neither the "miscreant pastor hunter" nor the "webmaster" as Gailon claims.  Sam stated this in a post.  Will Gailon accept this?  Who knows. Once either Bob or Gailon has reached a conclusion, accurate or not, it seems to be rare that they are willing to accept that they are wrong.

1+1 = 18 Fran?  Only for those who follow the sometimes convoluted logic of Bob and Gailon.  Just brush the cobwebs from your eyes and check out the facts.

Also, as a Christian who believes that Earthlings are of only One Race, and, as the grandmother of a partly-Pomo Native American child, and as the friend of others with Native American blood coursing through their veins, I find the "Tonto"-type references a bit on the offensive side.

Grandma,

I find you offensive, but I doubt that surprises you.

I suspect you also know by now that I DO NOT FEAR ANY THREAT OR ATTEMPT AT LITIGATION, particularly from a pastor hunter or the couple. My conclusion was based on good intelligence. I trust yours is based upon actually speaking to the couple, right? 

And you have still not explained the most obvious of questions, since you are so "in the know" and the couple originate from your coast...why did YOU not ask them to investigate the allegations against Tommy, IF YOU REALLY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ISSUE? You proclaim you are looking for the TRUTH and you perpetually fall short...WHY, Grandma???

Why do you never seem to be able to FIND THE TRUTH?

Whether you like it or not, we have EVIDENCE to support our conclusions...yet you have been at this for how many years and are still searching??? There is no search, it is merely pandering, and you play both sides!!! In fact you play with others who play both sides. Remember Mahta Hari???

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Sam]

I don't know if you are just fishing or if you are just that uninformed and I don't really care. So, I will be glad to tell you that I am not a part of the couple that are aiming your smart remarks at.  As usual, you have brought them in tried to slam them for no apparent reason.  I do not know them personally and you don't either, so why continue to make remarks like you do?

The joke of this whole thing is that personally don't know most of the people you try to ruin.  If you ever got to know some of them you may find out that they are nothing like you thought....you might even like some of them.  IMO those feelings wouldn't be returned as you make it impossible for anyone to like or trust you.

You are misleading your followers about the IRS investigation. You know it, and God knows it. They will find out sooner or later.

What remarks concern you? I have not impuned character or reputation, yet.

But, you are obviously factually challenged here...you referenced a couple? What couple? And if they work at 3ABN and you are close enough to know all the players, then you KNOW THE COUPLE!!!

I stand by my remarks and suggest you start with cleaning up your own camp and Lord knows just how much cleaning there is need of. If you would like me to REALLY start itemizing the sins in the sand, right here on Advent Talk, I should be quite happy to. I doubt you or the 3ABN family wants that much exposure and it is not our purpose to do so. We simply want the mess cleaned up and assurances it will not recur.

As to the IRS Investigation, apparently I know as much as you do. It is clear that all the stuff printed and televised is conjecture purportedly based upon a document disposal request for 13,000 documents. Beyond what your factually challenged camp has printed, I know nothing other than that my poll of those that I know contributed documents, NONE...NADYA....ZIP...ZILCH have been sent documents of been questioned regarding destruction. Perhaps you should list those that have and I shall be happy to question them for clarification, but
DO NOT ASK ME TO BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU OR ANYONE ELSE SAYS AT 3ABN as I have WAY TOO MUCH EVIDENCE THAT THE PLACE IS FULL OF FACTUALLY CHALLENGED COMMENTATORS!!! THAT IS EVIDENCES BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

Say hello to your couple and get them to investigate the allegations against Tommy and stop playing the farsical role...ignorance does not become you!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

Obviously you are the one factually challenged.  I said I don't know them personally...and I don't.  I know of them. Got it?

As far as your "sins in the sand"...

1. This may come as a shock to you but you aren't Jesus.

2. You claimed to have "all the evidence" of financial wrong doing also...You didn't.  You have information but it isn't the kind you can enter into a court of law. Gossip ,lies and false claims won't hold up in a federal court just like they didn't hold up in the IRS investigation.

3. Your threats to expose the sins of others may be the stone that rolls back on you.  Your closet is full of stuff that can be verified and entered as evidence in a court of law.

4. Then, it must be noted, if you did have something on all 140 employees that work at 3abn, what does that have to do with the lawsuit you are in?  You have made particular accusations (mostly of financial wrong doing) and defamed people in the process. Now that the IRS has blown the financial allegations out of the water do you think a federal judge cares if you think Danny didn't have grounds to remarry or that you didn't approve of the way 3abn handled certain situation?  Get a grip on reality.

Remember Gailon, the ones that fed you false information about 3abn finances are the same ones that are telling you other stories.  Do you now think they are credible sources?  Also remember that everything you are doing to mislead your skeleton crew will come out in the open and it will be your sins written in the sand.