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[bonnie]

“bonnie,”

I don’t want to be offensive (although you probably know that I can), but it seems to me that you have adopted a PATRONIZING attitude towards me.

Patronizing, Not in the least. Perhaps this would be the time for you to look up the big words you are using.
I believe you do want to be offensive and  were

I want to assure you that you have no special authority to produce statements such as the ones above. You are entitled ONLY to a MERE OPINION or INTERPRETATION in matters such as the ones we are discussing now.

Sorry, you lack the ability or authority to "grant entitlement " to me for anything.

I don’t know how many messages you have exchanged with Stan Jensen, but I have exchanged quite a lot of them with him.

Probably more tha you would believe.




 

I will stop here with my comments on Stan Jensen because I don’t want to get into conflict with the administration of the forum. Please, do not interpret my comments on Stan as malicious, but as true statements about his value as a man and as an SDA.

I don't need the patronizing comments. Surprise, I know many big words and what they mean. Stan and I are not friends,however for the the comment as far as his expertise or now as to the value as a man, you are just plain flat out, way out of liine. As much as I disagree and have taken issue with many things Stan has said and done,God so far has not notified me of the right to judge  his value as a human being.

As for Gregory, he may be your “TRUSTED friend,” but he is not MY TRUSTED FRIEND. Because I don’t know him personally, I base my judgments (And I am entitled to such judgments!) on his messages.  His messages are DOUBLE TALK, and many others in the forum have doubts about where he stands on the issues related to Danny Shelton.

For those that have doubts where Gregory stands and has always stood, I have a novel idea . Those of you that condemn him publically, call him a liar,double talking,kissing someone's ring, and I believe there was something about a worm,for those like Stan that believe the reliable source DS, and quote him as some sort of gospel, took it upon himself to blame him for LS and a failed new ministry . ASK HIM, and then compare the current answers with the previous statements as to what he was about and his interest.



 If as you say, you don't know him personally,then  before your scathing, insulting description of a man you say you don't know, maybe you should follow christian principal and not condemn without facts.

Your impression that I have tried to be “cute,” when I wrote the note about Stan amuses me. If you knew me you would know that I never try to be “cute,” and neither do I try to make comments “for the entertainment of those that you feel support me.” Again, you are assuming too much. I don’t need anyone’s approval for my opinions and perspectives. I have learned to stand on my own.

Doesn't take much to amuse some people. But I do think you make comments for entertainment value. Not as in wholesome entertainment, but to wow and impress .
You seem to be under the impression that I was either asking your approval to comment or now somehow you needed someone's approval to comment. Neither scenerio is accurate.




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You seem to be venturing into unknown territory. That is, for some reason you appear to think that you can read minds. You cannot. Keep that in mind when you write messages like the one I am responding to.

Some minds are incredibly easy to read. Keep in mind when you are responding that not everyone hides in the corner when others began to huff and puff like the big bad wolf.
And not everyone Goes WOW, can't he be offensive tho

Your uncalled for statements are completely transparent and ,you are the most reliable source to look at to determine your value as a man.









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[Gregory]

don’t know how many messages you have exchanged with Stan Jensen, but I have exchanged quite a lot of them with him.

So, Eduard tells us that Stan's EMPLOYMENT  is a sinecure.  I wonder if Edard could tell us who recieves the benefice of Stan's employment.

As to saying that Stan is "no good,"  That is an inappropriate comment to be allowed to be made on this forum.  I have my differences with people here and they with me. But, we have a obligation to treat each other with respect regardless of our differences.

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[Emma]

 That is an inappropriate comment to be allowed to be made on this forum.  I have my differences with people here and they with me. But, we have a obligation to treat each other with respect regardless of our differences. 

Agreed, Gregory, that treating each other with respect should be a hallmark of this forum - whether the differences are in education, in opportunity, in origin .....or whatever.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

don’t know how many messages you have exchanged with Stan Jensen, but I have exchanged quite a lot of them with him.

So, Eduard tells us that Stan's EMPLOYMENT  is a sinecure.  I wonder if Edard could tell us who recieves the benefice of Stan's employment.

As to saying that Stan is "no good,"  That is an inappropriate comment to be allowed to be made on this forum.  I have my differences with people here and they with me. But, we have a obligation to treat each other with respect regardless of our differences.

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Gregory, you had your opportunity to serve as a moderator and passed it by. Maybe you should re-consider?

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Gregory]

Gailon, as you, myself, Eduard, Dr. Walter Thompson, Danny Shelton, Linda Shelton, Bob Pickle stand before God we all stand on the same level--people of worth.  We may disagree on issues. But, in the eyes of God we are all of equal value.  The personalizations that some (on both sides) have engaged in reflect a very poor view of a central teaching of Christianity that people have value and Christ values all people equally.  I do not feel it necessary to be a Moderator (Thank you for your affirmation on this.) to point out the wrong that was done.

[Daryl Fawcett]

As you can see for yourself, Eduard's post about Stan has been edited.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Gailon, as you, myself, Eduard, Dr. Walter Thompson, Danny Shelton, Linda Shelton, Bob Pickle stand before God we all stand on the same level--people of worth.  We may disagree on issues. But, in the eyes of God we are all of equal value.  The personalizations that some (on both sides) have engaged in reflect a very poor view of a central teaching of Christianity that people have value and Christ values all people equally.  I do not feel it necessary to be a Moderator (Thank you for your affirmation on this.) to point out the wrong that was done.

I repeat my prior proposal. It fits you perfectly. I am not being a wiseguy, but rather making a straight-forward assessment. Please reconsider?

It is true that we do not see many issues the same way, but you are far more neutral and balanced than many and moderating fits you.

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Habanero]

Ok, did Danny say on the air that there was no IRS investigation? Did he? If he did then someone is telling a big one. Him or Ronnie, one or the other. There don't seem to be any other alternatives, do there?  If there was no investigation then there could be no exoneration by way of the means that are being touted. If there was no investigation then how did the IRS end up with over 100,000 documents from 3ABN? How about the interviews? What does this say to the 3ABN lawyer who emphatically stated IN COURT that ther was no IRS investigation? Did someone fib to her, or did she flat out lie to the court?

[Bob Pickle]

Danny said that it didn't matter if someone was a Christian, if they were saying that the IRS was investigating him behind the scenes, they were an enemy of the gospel.

Am I remembering that correctly?

[Artiste]

Danny said that it didn't matter if someone was a Christian, if they were saying that the IRS was investigating him behind the scenes, they were an enemy of the gospel.

Am I remembering that correctly?

The question remains:  Is 3ABN cleared of all wrongdoing if they are cleared by the IRS?

Will the gospel according to 3ABN continue on unimpeded?

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

They have not been cleared by ME yet, and that is unanimous!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Sam]

They have not been cleared by ME yet, and that is unanimous!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

I believe it's the other way around.  You haven't been cleared by them yet!

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

They have not been cleared by ME yet, and that is unanimous!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

I believe it's the other way around.  You haven't been cleared by them yet!

What a laugh!!! Did you mean cleared or cleaned?

SAM, get back to dealing with miscreant pastors and start right there at 3ABN. Try cleaning things up, starting with Tommy Ray Shelton,  and we will finally be impressed.

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Sam]

They have not been cleared by ME yet, and that is unanimous!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

I believe it's the other way around.  You haven't been cleared by them yet!

What a laugh!!! Did you mean cleared or cleaned?

SAM, get back to dealing with miscreant pastors and start right there at 3ABN. Try cleaning things up, starting with Tommy Ray Shelton,  and we will finally be impressed.

Gailon Arthur Joy

I don't know if you are just fishing or if you are just that uninformed and I don't really care. So, I will be glad to tell you that I am not a part of the couple that are aiming your smart remarks at.  As usual, you have brought them in tried to slam them for no apparent reason.  I do not know them personally and you don't either, so why continue to make remarks like you do?

The joke of this whole thing is that personally don't know most of the people you try to ruin.  If you ever got to know some of them you may find out that they are nothing like you thought....you might even like some of them.  IMO those feelings wouldn't be returned as you make it impossible for anyone to like or trust you.

You are misleading your followers about the IRS investigation. You know it, and God knows it. They will find out sooner or later.

[Bob Pickle]

No, he doesn't know he's misleading anyone about the IRS investigation. Facts are facts. According to Duffy's letter, the IRS has not issued any pronouncement declaring that Danny and 3ABN are squeeky clean.

Now if you have any evidence to the contrary, I'm all ears.

But notice that even if these claims were true, it wouldn't mean that Danny was correct after all when he claimed to have proof that Linda's car was titled in his name. It wouldn't clear him of Alyssa Moore's allegations of sexual assault. It wouldn't mean that he was correct when he said that Christians who say the IRS is investigating him are enemies of the gospel. It wouldn't mean that he disclosed DLS Publishing and his royalties on his financial affidavit. It wouldn't mean he had biblical grounds for divorce when he didn't know whether Linda had committed fornication almost a month after their divorce.

Regarding some points, it's a no win situation. Like his claims to be able to monitor every call out and in to Arild Abrahamsen's telephone. Even if the IRS exoneration story were true, how would that affect Danny's claim? Would it mean that he had somehow bugged the doctor's phone? Or would it mean he was just out and out lying? Either way, he isn't exonerated.

This thread is entitled, Has 3ABN been cleared of all wrongdoing, so we could confine our comments to 3ABN. If the IRS exoneration story were true, would that mean that the 3ABN Board did adequately investigate the Tommy Shelton child molestation allegations, including speaking with his alleged victims? Would it mean that Hal Steenson really did give $100,000 worth of video equipment, and that Kay Kuzma's book is incorrect on that point? Would it mean that John Lomacang never likened Danny to Moses and never said he couldn't be corrected by people? Would it mean that Shelley Quinn never insinuated that Alyssa Moore was a liar? Would it mean that 3ABN never hosted a tribute to an alleged pedophile just weeks after new allegations were announced? Would it mean that Tommy never said that if it weren't for the ferry he could cope?

So even if the story were true, if it could be confirmed somehow and wasn't based on someone's interpretation of a phone call, what does it really mean?