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[GrammieT]

Why, were they copywritten? And was it common law copywrite? Need my address for service of process?
Ready, willing and able. And I will report it!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUREPORTER

Please get a grip on yourself, man.

I am not a litigant or attorney in your lawsuit.

I was simply making an observation and hoping that as a fellow human being and even a Christian, that you have some respect for the rights and privacy of others and have behaved in a courteous and Christian manner.

If I have to serve papers on you to get an answer to that simple thing then any attempts at open discussions between different parties, or those with questions who are still reserving judgment, on this forum seem totally futile, and a waste of time.

I will not bother you further, but I will remain hopeful you will be able to address more important issues in this topic.

You are part of team that has already litigated and I see no "CHRISTIAN COURTESY" in evidence. If you wish to question the veracity of the e-mails you are free to do so, but with your comments were carefully staged innuendos.

Now, this is amazing!!! We do them the favor of advertising their foundation for elation, carefully kept under wraps for some unknown reason of dubious purpose, and now they want us to buy their "christain courtesy" claims.

For the record, your christianity is the chritianty of vipers...and we know where
those slithering critters originated from.

In case you are wondering, I share Eduard's disdain for hypocricy.

And be careful what you tout as it may not be as you think it is. It most certainly has none of the legal import you claim, but MAY have some psychological advantage in the battle for hearts and minds. As you can see, we will get the entire truth in time. AND THE TRUTH WILL BE TOLD.

Get the point, SAM!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

I am quite sure you can not even begin to understand how ridiculous and illogical your reaction is here, or how absurd the words and claims you posted sound to me.

I think it is sufficient to say, any benefit of the doubt I have tried to give you in regards to this topic and thread , you just threw out the window.

I'm sorry about that, and I'll leave it at that.

Dear No sir:

Have I been mistaken as to your stand in this discussion?  I don't think so and am sorry that our friend GAJ has reacted so badly to your questions.   

However (and the bolded sentence in the above quote causes me to wonder  ), if he is right in his reaction I am even more sorry that you were able to pull the wool over my eyes for so long, and perhaps of many others who thought as I did - that you were in 'sync' with the efforts to 'cleanse the 3ABN camp of those who have publically caused so much emotional and ministry damage to LS in her morally unethical, if not illegal, firing from the ministry she helped to found and so masterfully guided in the area of 'Mending Broken People.'  Would you be so good as to clear up this question in my mind, kind Sir? 

GrammieT   

[Child_of_God]

And \\\"anyman,\\\"

Do you want some tutoring in English? There are 40 million illiterate people in this country, and you are one of them. We can do it on-line! No charge!

Your friend,

Eduard

I do not believe Anyman to be illiterate. If he were it would not matter because it is not how one says something that is of any great importance. The important thing is what is said.

\"Child_of_God,\"

What you believe is of no consequence. Are you a LANGUAGE PROFESSIONAL? I am, and as a professional I made an EVALUATION on his English language skills, and I have place him in that category. I have the credentials and the experience to make such a pronouncement. Do you? If not, then I suggest that you do not make pronouncements outside your area or expertise.


Eduard

I’m sorry, but last I heard we all have freedom to express our opinions in these United States. Those who would think themselves superior and educated are on the same level with me and everyone else in this world. That is what our Lord taught. In fact He chose His disciples from different walks of life and does so today. It does not depend upon our education or field of expertise. He chooses us by what He knows our hearts to be and whether or not we will obey and follow Him all the way.

[Child_of_God]

I do not believe Anyman to be illiterate. If he were it would not matter because it is not how one says something that is of any great importance. The important thing is what is said.

What importance do you attach to the fact that anyman said the following to Eduard?

This is a public forum and you have spent the past week running around these halls doing >N O T H I N G< but ridicule, disparage, malign, insult, condescend, patronize, defame, slander, smear, slur, vilify anyone and everyone who has stood by 3ABN and Danny Shelton.

What he said is what everyone who reads on this forum has been witness to. He just had the courage to face, so to speak, Eduard with the truth. I believe that to be very important. When someone commits sins publicly we are to rebuke. Those who stand by and say nothing only condone by their silence.

[Chrissie]

When someone commits sins publicly we are to rebuke. Those who stand by and say nothing only condone by their silence.

Isn't this exactly what so many people have been saying for ever so long now? When Danny accused Linda publicly of 'spiritual adultery', and yet has never produced the evidence, should he not be rebuked publicly as well?
 
As you said "Those who stand by and say nothing only condone by their silence."

[Sam]

When someone commits sins publicly we are to rebuke. Those who stand by and say nothing only condone by their silence.

Isn't this exactly what so many people have been saying for ever so long now? When Danny accused Linda publicly of 'spiritual adultery', and yet has never produced the evidence, should he not be rebuked publicly as well?
 
As you said "Those who stand by and say nothing only condone by their silence."

I believe this has been said a thousand times but I will make it a thousand one.....just because evidence has not been produced publically does not mean it doesn't exist.  More speculation on your side.  In view of recent events I have to ask when will you learn?

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

When someone commits sins publicly we are to rebuke. Those who stand by and say nothing only condone by their silence.

Isn't this exactly what so many people have been saying for ever so long now? When Danny accused Linda publicly of 'spiritual adultery', and yet has never produced the evidence, should he not be rebuked publicly as well?
 
As you said "Those who stand by and say nothing only condone by their silence."

I believe this has been said a thousand times but I will make it a thousand one.....just because evidence has not been produced publically does not mean it doesn't exist.   More speculation on your side.  In view of recent events I have to ask when will you learn?

With 3ABN that is exactly what it means. My evidence drawer is still empty and you have had the last opportunity to produce without an order of the court. One must conclude that Phone Records do not exist, that photos do not exist, that recordings so boldly spoken of do not exist, that the expensive watch does not exist, that the statements of witnesses do not exist, and we could go on for quite some time.

Now we are waiting for that "exoneration" letter???

Do you have anything to support the action against Linda? If you do, better dig and turn it over as the motion to compel is pending and we have all those e-mail claims from Walt and Danny Lee Shelton asserting there existence and NOW WE HAVE NOTHING TO DEMONSTRATE YOUR VERACITY!!!!

Your time is running out...you are fast reaching "scorched earth " defense as you have no ammo to fight on so the entire case now hinges on stopping us from getting the evidence that will sink your boat. Don't count on that strategy working as it will backfire when you have no evidence at trial.

ROLL IT OUT NOW or forever hold the drawer shut and face the reality...IT WAS ALL A SHAM TO GET RID OF THE OLD GREY MARE!!!

Waiting expectently, nearly two years later!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Artiste]

I agree with you, Gailon, but maybe you could stop calling Linda the "old grey mare"...I don't think she looks like an old grey mare...maybe something more complimentary?

[anyman]

I would agree . . . it seems that you would want to treat your pawns better than this . . .

I agree with you, Gailon, but maybe you could stop calling Linda the "old grey mare"...I don't think she looks like an old grey mare...maybe something more complimentary?

[Eduard]

And \\\"anyman,\\\"

Do you want some tutoring in English? There are 40 million illiterate people in this country, and you are one of them. We can do it on-line! No charge!

Your friend,

Eduard

I do not believe Anyman to be illiterate. If he were it would not matter because it is not how one says something that is of any great importance. The important thing is what is said.

\"Child_of_God,\"

What you believe is of no consequence. Are you a LANGUAGE PROFESSIONAL? I am, and as a professional I made an EVALUATION on his English language skills, and I have place him in that category. I have the credentials and the experience to make such a pronouncement. Do you? If not, then I suggest that you do not make pronouncements outside your area or expertise.


Eduard

I’m sorry, but last I heard we all have freedom to express our opinions in these United States. Those who would think themselves superior and educated are on the same level with me and everyone else in this world. That is what our Lord taught. In fact He chose His disciples from different walks of life and does so today. It does not depend upon our education or field of expertise. He chooses us by what He knows our hearts to be and whether or not we will obey and follow Him all the way.

Child_of_God,

So, we are on the same level in our use of the English language? Well, this is interesting. Do you also perform surgery,  fly stealth planes, teach in college, write prescriptions, perform the work of an attorney, command ships, and act as the secretary of state because "That is what our Lord taught"? Is that statement in the notebook bible you scribbled with your pencil? I checked, and I could not find those words in the numerous Bibles in various languages that rest on my bookshelves.

I guess you are already firm in your conviction that as a child-of-gd you are chosen to do anything you please, whether you have the education or the skills for that kind of work or not. You know, what you are claiming is not new to me. I hear such words all the time from the backwoods hicks who cannot even scribble their names on the ground.

Eduard

[Eduard]

And, if all the accusations that have been flung by Gailon Arthur Joy, Robert Pickle, Fran ********, and others in regards to the finances of 3ABN and/or Danny Shelton are baseless, groundless, without foundation . . . what does that portend in regards to their other accusations, insinuations, and outright lies?

We have heard this argument before.

I think the first time it came up was when ASI was invited to negotiate between Linda and Danny/3ABN. 

The argument does not hold up.  If one assumes that the financial accusations against 3ABN are incorrect (and I do not believe that), that does not clear 3ABN of the other allegations that have been brought against it. 

One thing at a time Artiste. Let's not evade the point of discussion, divert from the topic,  or continue to make excuses or justifications about what is being discussed in this topic, or bury the issue under other things, please.

Let's try and deal with the topic of 3ABN's vindication regarding "financial accusations against 3ABN", as Christians, in an honest and upfront manner.

Not to much to ask of a sister , who professes to love the truth, is it?

I pray not.

Rosa, Dear,

Maybe we should start at the beginning? How about asking Danny Shelton to provide evidence that Linda committed adultery, that he had the right to force her not to defend herself, and that he had the right to denounce her to the world and destroy her reputation without ANY EVIDENCE against her? One basic theological teaching is that ontology informs eschatology. In simple words, one can see the end by looking at the beginning. Considering the beginning of Danny Shelton's history with Linda, what do you think his end will be as a man who claims to be God's voice at this time?

Eduard

Eduard,

Who says?  Who says all the above even happened or happened in the way you describe? Think about it.  The same people that made up the financial allegations have also been the ones to share the more "personal" information as you are describing above.  Do you really think in light of recent events, that those people are credible with their stories?

This IRS thing is huge.  They had over 100,000 pages of documents! No, of course no one (not even Franny) could or would doctor that volume of documents if they wanted to.  There wouldn't have been enough time to do it or enough experts available so that opinion is totally out of the realm of reality and normal thinking.

We know the IRS is never looking to help someone.  That's why everyone is afraid of them!  They aren't about to spend mega bucks on an investigation and then perform it in a ram shod or less than thorough way.  They want to find something to justify their expenses.  The fact that we are hearing that they found nothing is about as big as it gets.  Go read the accusations by Pickle and Joy over the last year and half.  See how many financial accusations they made.  NOT ONE OF THEM WAS ACCURATE! NOT ONE!  This leads us back to faulty information they have received. We know by the pacer documents that the duo was fighting hard to get 3abn's financial documents to try and prove their allegations. That means they didn't have any documents, only heresay and word of mouth.  Yes they thought the info they were getting was from someone "in the know" but that "someone" had reason to add, subtract, spin, twist and lie about the info they gave.  Now they have all been caught in their own web of deceit.

You cannot spin, lie or wish this away.  The money that people have been donating through the years has went exactly where it was supposed to go..to spread the 3 Angels Message.  No one was "taking money from the till" as Joy spouted recently.  No one was involved in "personal inurement" the phrase wore out by Pickle.  No one was getting rich personally from 3abn but we were told the opposite at every opportunity.  No one was making "shady" horse deals, real estate deals or lining their pockets with the money from little old ladies. ( I believe that was one of sister's eloquent accusations).  None of these things happened unless you want to challenge one of the most powerful branches of government in the US.  Whose findings are you going to believe? On one side we have some people that were bent on seeking revenge for what they, themselves, brought on. On the other hand we have a government entity that has turned 3abn & Danny Shelton, every which way but loose.  Ask yourselves how does the IRS compare with the pickle, joy, Frans of the world?   In fact, if I were one of the people that had called the IRS about 3abn, I would be afraid of repurcussions since they spent a whole lot of money on nothing.  I wouldn't want to be in the callers shoes right now.

As far as the court case with Pickle and Joy what is left for their defense?  All of their requests for financial records will surely be thrown out once the judge is given this information. I mean really, will the juge think that maybe Pickle and Joy can find something that the IRS did not? Hardly.  So the only alternative defense would be all their immoral accusations.  No federal US court is going to waste time on those kind of ridiculous arguments. Knowing also that all of those stories came from some of the same sources as the financial allegations.

I admit, I will be curious to see who comes to grips with these realities and who continues to be taken down the primrose path.  There is such a difference between reality versus speculation, innuendo, heresay, gossip and lies.  Most normal thinking reasonable people will realize if these people can be wrong on all of the different financial issues and accusations of such, the rest isn't holding much water.  To continue to fight 3abn in court is a waste of time & money for all involved.  A true christian will say " I have made many public ,false accusations and I was wrong and am deeply sorry".  Even if the duo continue to fight on useless grounds, will we hear that apology for this one, huge issue? How can we not?  They have been proven wrong.  I believe they should be weeping bitter tears over the destruction they have caused and the people that have been hurt with their false allegations.  If they do the opposite, spin, weave and twist these findings, that will tell me all I need to know about the motives of their hearts.

So, "Sam,"

You are fully confident that nothing happened at 3ABN and with Danny Shelton. It is all in the imagination of some mean people who want to "destroy God's work," and hurt the "Gospel Ministry" and its "prophet," right? Well, I have to say, my Bible readings include many stories of evil people whom God allowed to reach the limit of their iniquity so that all could see that pride goes before the fall.

You think that you are entitled to your facts, right? Well, the last laugh is what counts, right? Are you going to have the last laugh? I leave you to your own hallucinations!

Eduard

edited for spelling

[Eduard]

I do not believe Anyman to be illiterate. If he were it would not matter because it is not how one says something that is of any great importance. The important thing is what is said.

What importance do you attach to the fact that anyman said the following to Eduard?

This is a public forum and you have spent the past week running around these halls doing >N O T H I N G< but ridicule, disparage, malign, insult, condescend, patronize, defame, slander, smear, slur, vilify anyone and everyone who has stood by 3ABN and Danny Shelton.

What he said is what everyone who reads on this forum has been witness to. He just had the courage to face, so to speak, Eduard with the truth. I believe that to be very important. When someone commits sins publicly we are to rebuke. Those who stand by and say nothing only condone by their silence.

"child_of_god,"

I also believe that the Lord has written that some of the worst sins even committed by men are acting hypocritically, deceiving others, pretendind to do God's work but insteadd doing the Devil's work, stealing God's money and using that money for personal purposes, hiding evil deeds in the darkness, and persecuting GOD'S PEOPLE. And if you allow me to quote you, "When someone commits sins publicly we are to rebuke. Those who stand by and say nothing only condone by their silence." All the sins I have mentioned above are PUBLIC, and need to be rebuked in public. Are you one of those who rebuke those sins in public or one of those who are accomplices to the sinner?


Those truly favored and protected by God don't need to be defended by men. Especially not by ELEVEN ATTORNEYS. God himself defends them. And if the work is indeed the Lord's, He will take care of it.

Eduard

[Sam]

And \\\"anyman,\\\"

Do you want some tutoring in English? There are 40 million illiterate people in this country, and you are one of them. We can do it on-line! No charge!

Your friend,

Eduard

I do not believe Anyman to be illiterate. If he were it would not matter because it is not how one says something that is of any great importance. The important thing is what is said.

\"Child_of_God,\"

What you believe is of no consequence. Are you a LANGUAGE PROFESSIONAL? I am, and as a professional I made an EVALUATION on his English language skills, and I have place him in that category. I have the credentials and the experience to make such a pronouncement. Do you? If not, then I suggest that you do not make pronouncements outside your area or expertise.


Eduard

I’m sorry, but last I heard we all have freedom to express our opinions in these United States. Those who would think themselves superior and educated are on the same level with me and everyone else in this world. That is what our Lord taught. In fact He chose His disciples from different walks of life and does so today. It does not depend upon our education or field of expertise. He chooses us by what He knows our hearts to be and whether or not we will obey and follow Him all the way.

Child_of_God,

So, we are on the same level in our use of the English language? Well, this is interesting. Do you also perform surgery,  fly stealth planes, teach in college, write prescriptions, perform the work of an attorney, command ships, and act as the secretary of state because "That is what our Lord taught"? Is that statement in the notebook bible you scribbled with your pencil? I checked, and I could not find those words in the numerous Bibles in various languages that rest on my bookshelves.

I guess you are already firm in your conviction that as a child-of-gd you are chosen to do anything you please, whether you have the education or the skills for that kind of work or not. You know, what you are claiming is not new to me. I hear such words all the time from the backwoods hicks who cannot even scribble their names on the ground.

Eduard

Christ "scribbled" in the dirt when He was writing the sins of those who wanted to stone the woman caught in adultery.  Our Lord didn't have a degree in languages but I'll bet that every accuser there were able to read their own sins in the sand.  Pride goeth before a fall.  A haughty spirit is sinful. Think on it.

[bonnie]

[b]Christ "scribbled" in the dirt when He was writing the sins of those who wanted to stone the woman caught in adultery.  Our Lord didn't have a degree in languages but I'll bet that every accuser there were able to read their own sins in the sand.  Pride goeth before a fall.  A haughty spirit is sinful. Think on it.



I always really liked this story. The  only problem is the ones that use it the most frequently are always the ones with so much to correct in those that disagree with them.

Some just may think there is a haughty spirit in those that make such use and misuse out of it

[Fran]

I won't comment about the IRS Criminal Investigation.  I have not received any communication that this information is true, but if it is, I will rejoice along with others about the findings. 

I have never desired to harm the ministry of 3ABN.  I am elated that 3ABN is surviving and Thriving.  That has always been my desire.  I have always stated that, however, some have accused me of trying to destroy 3ABN.  If my asking relevant questions about financial issues is wrong, so be it.  The questions remain.

This does not have anything to do with the trial between Bob, Gailon, Danny and 3ABN.  I am not involved in that case as yet.  If I am, at a future date, I will have to tell the truth about all of my findings and questions.  I will tell the truth as I see it.  If that makes me a Rumor Mongrel, as Stan has put forth, so be it.  It does NOT, and has NEVER meant I want to destroy the ministry of 3ABN.  Anyone assuming that does not know me very well.

Gregory;

I have no feelings of being "Lucky" to not be involved in this litigation between Bob, Gailon, Danny, & 3ABN.  I do not feel lucky about it.  I believe I clearly understand why.  I am also not a member of the team of Bob and Gailon!  However, I believe I agree with their findings thus far, and will help if I am needed in any way.  I am here because of me.  God gave me the information long before Bob and Gailon were ever heard of.  I did what I felt God wanted me to do at that time.

Of all people, Greg, you know that to be truth.

Thank you.

Fran --------  (         I guess by now, this is common knowledge!  )

[Artiste]

 
If my asking relevant questions about financial issues is wrong, so be it.  The questions remain.

Yes, you are right, Fran.

The questions remain and in more areas than just the financial.