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[Rosa]

I do not believe Anyman to be illiterate. If he were it would not matter because it is not how one says something that is of any great importance. The important thing is what is said.

What importance do you attach to the fact that anyman said the following to Eduard?

This is a public forum and you have spent the past week running around these halls doing >N O T H I N G< but ridicule, disparage, malign, insult, condescend, patronize, defame, slander, smear, slur, vilify anyone and everyone who has stood by 3ABN and Danny Shelton.

The real question is what importance do you attach to that?

You are the one asking, and you are the one of those who appears to have either allowed or condoned Eduard's posts.

[Rosa]

And, if all the accusations that have been flung by Gailon Arthur Joy, Robert Pickle, Fran ********, and others in regards to the finances of 3ABN and/or Danny Shelton are baseless, groundless, without foundation . . . what does that portend in regards to their other accusations, insinuations, and outright lies?

We have heard this argument before.

I think the first time it came up was when ASI was invited to negotiate between Linda and Danny/3ABN. 

The argument does not hold up.  If one assumes that the financial accusations against 3ABN are incorrect (and I do not believe that), that does not clear 3ABN of the other allegations that have been brought against it. 

One thing at a time Artiste. Let's not evade the point of discussion, divert from the topic,  or continue to make excuses or justifications about what is being discussed in this topic, or bury the issue under other things, please.

Let's try and deal with the topic of 3ABN's vindication regarding "financial accusations against 3ABN", as Christians, in an honest and upfront manner.

Not to much to ask of a sister , who professes to love the truth, is it?

I pray not.

[Johann]

Interesting development. Frankly, I have never understood that case with IRS, since I  do not live in the United States and have no knowledge of the American corporate tax system. Therefore that part has not been much of my concern, except listening to the arguments from both sides. So to me this does not carry as much weight as it does to some, since nothing of what I deem is really important has been settled yet.

[Artiste]

Interesting development. Frankly, I have never understood that case with IRS, since I  do not live in the United States and have no knowledge of the American corporate tax system. Therefore that part has not been much of my concern, except listening to the arguments from both sides. So to me this does not carry as much weight as it does to some, since nothing of what I deem is really important has been settled yet.

Agreed, Johann, I feel the same.

[Eduard]

And \"anyman,\"

Do you want some tutoring in English? There are 40 million illiterate people in this country, and you are one of them. We can do it on-line! No charge!

Your friend,

Eduard

I do not believe Anyman to be illiterate. If he were it would not matter because it is not how one says something that is of any great importance. The important thing is what is said.

"Child_of_God,"

What you believe is of no consequence. Are you a LANGUAGE PROFESSIONAL? I am, and as a professional I made an EVALUATION on his English language skills, and I have place him in that category. I have the credentials and the experience to make such a pronouncement. Do you? If not, then I suggest that you do not make pronouncements outside your area or expertise.


Eduard

[Eduard]

And, if all the accusations that have been flung by Gailon Arthur Joy, Robert Pickle, Fran ********, and others in regards to the finances of 3ABN and/or Danny Shelton are baseless, groundless, without foundation . . . what does that portend in regards to their other accusations, insinuations, and outright lies?

We have heard this argument before.

I think the first time it came up was when ASI was invited to negotiate between Linda and Danny/3ABN. 

The argument does not hold up.  If one assumes that the financial accusations against 3ABN are incorrect (and I do not believe that), that does not clear 3ABN of the other allegations that have been brought against it. 

One thing at a time Artiste. Let's not evade the point of discussion, divert from the topic,  or continue to make excuses or justifications about what is being discussed in this topic, or bury the issue under other things, please.

Let's try and deal with the topic of 3ABN's vindication regarding "financial accusations against 3ABN", as Christians, in an honest and upfront manner.

Not to much to ask of a sister , who professes to love the truth, is it?

I pray not.

Rosa, Dear,

Maybe we should start at the beginning? How about asking Danny Shelton to provide evidence that Linda committed adultery, that he had the right to force her not to defend herself, and that he had the right to denounce her to the world and destroy her reputation without ANY EVIDENCE against her? One basic theological teaching is that ontology informs eschatology. In simple words, one can see the end by looking at the beginning. Considering the beginning of Danny Shelton's history with Linda, what do you think his end will be as a man who claims to be God's voice at this time?

Eduard

[Sam]

And, if all the accusations that have been flung by Gailon Arthur Joy, Robert Pickle, Fran ********, and others in regards to the finances of 3ABN and/or Danny Shelton are baseless, groundless, without foundation . . . what does that portend in regards to their other accusations, insinuations, and outright lies?

We have heard this argument before.

I think the first time it came up was when ASI was invited to negotiate between Linda and Danny/3ABN. 

The argument does not hold up.  If one assumes that the financial accusations against 3ABN are incorrect (and I do not believe that), that does not clear 3ABN of the other allegations that have been brought against it. 

One thing at a time Artiste. Let's not evade the point of discussion, divert from the topic,  or continue to make excuses or justifications about what is being discussed in this topic, or bury the issue under other things, please.

Let's try and deal with the topic of 3ABN's vindication regarding "financial accusations against 3ABN", as Christians, in an honest and upfront manner.

Not to much to ask of a sister , who professes to love the truth, is it?

I pray not.

Rosa, Dear,

Maybe we should start at the beginning? How about asking Danny Shelton to provide evidence that Linda committed adultery, that he had the right to force her not to defend herself, and that he had the right to denounce her to the world and destroy her reputation without ANY EVIDENCE against her? One basic theological teaching is that ontology informs eschatology. In simple words, one can see the end by looking at the beginning. Considering the beginning of Danny Shelton's history with Linda, what do you think his end will be as a man who claims to be God's voice at this time?

Eduard

Eduard,

Who says?  Who says all the above even happened or happened in the way you describe? Think about it.  The same people that made up the financial allegations have also been the ones to share the more "personal" information as you are describing above.  Do you really think in light of recent events, that those people are credible with their stories?

This IRS thing is huge.  They had over 100,000 pages of documents! No, of course no one (not even Franny) could or would doctor that volume of documents if they wanted to.  There wouldn't have been enough time to do it or enough experts available so that opinion is totally out of the realm of reality and normal thinking.

We know the IRS is never looking to help someone.  That's why everyone is afraid of them!  They aren't about to spend mega bucks on an investigation and then perform it in a ram shod or less than thorough way.  They want to find something to justify their expenses.  The fact that we are hearing that they found nothing is about as big as it gets.  Go read the accusations by Pickle and Joy over the last year and half.  See how many financial accusations they made.  NOT ONE OF THEM WAS ACCURATE! NOT ONE!  This leads us back to faulty information they have received. We know by the pacer documents that the duo was fighting hard to get 3abn's financial documents to try and prove their allegations. That means they didn't have any documents, only heresay and word of mouth.  Yes they thought the info they were getting was from someone "in the know" but that "someone" had reason to add, subtract, spin, twist and lie about the info they gave.  Now they have all been caught in their own web of deceit.

You cannot spin, lie or wish this away.  The money that people have been donating through the years has went exactly where it was supposed to go..to spread the 3 Angels Message.  No one was "taking money from the till" as Joy spouted recently.  No one was involved in "personal inurement" the phrase wore out by Pickle.  No one was getting rich personally from 3abn but we were told the opposite at every opportunity.  No one was making "shady" horse deals, real estate deals or lining their pockets with the money from little old ladies. ( I believe that was one of sister's eloquent accusations).  None of these things happened unless you want to challenge one of the most powerful branches of government in the US.  Whose findings are you going to believe? On one side we have some people that were bent on seeking revenge for what they, themselves, brought on. On the other hand we have a government entity that has turned 3abn & Danny Shelton, every which way but loose.  Ask yourselves how does the IRS compare with the pickle, joy, Frans of the world?   In fact, if I were one of the people that had called the IRS about 3abn, I would be afraid of repurcussions since they spent a whole lot of money on nothing.  I wouldn't want to be in the callers shoes right now.

As far as the court case with Pickle and Joy what is left for their defense?  All of their requests for financial records will surely be thrown out once the judge is given this information. I mean really, will the juge think that maybe Pickle and Joy can find something that the IRS did not? Hardly.  So the only alternative defense would be all their immoral accusations.  No federal US court is going to waste time on those kind of ridiculous arguments. Knowing also that all of those stories came from some of the same sources as the financial allegations.

I admit, I will be curious to see who comes to grips with these realities and who continues to be taken down the primrose path.  There is such a difference between reality versus speculation, innuendo, heresay, gossip and lies.  Most normal thinking reasonable people will realize if these people can be wrong on all of the different financial issues and accusations of such, the rest isn't holding much water.  To continue to fight 3abn in court is a waste of time & money for all involved.  A true christian will say " I have made many public ,false accusations and I was wrong and am deeply sorry".  Even if the duo continue to fight on useless grounds, will we hear that apology for this one, huge issue? How can we not?  They have been proven wrong.  I believe they should be weeping bitter tears over the destruction they have caused and the people that have been hurt with their false allegations.  If they do the opposite, spin, weave and twist these findings, that will tell me all I need to know about the motives of their hearts.

[sonshineonme]

That thing about the primrose path? You are on it I do believe.

[Artiste]

That thing about the primrose path? You are on it I do believe.

Agreed, sonshineonme.

[Artiste]

Most normal thinking reasonable people will realize if these people can be wrong on all of the different financial issues and accusations of such, the rest isn't holding much water. 

This fallacious argument is brought out yet again.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Must be another interesting story here about who these emails were sent to and how they came to be in your hands.

I hope the recipient as well as yourself asked permission to both pass them on, and to publish them.
[/quote]

Why, were they copywritten? And was it common law copywrite? Need my address for service of process?
Ready, willing and able. And I will report it!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUREPORTER

[Nosir Myzing]

Must be another interesting story here about who these emails were sent to and how they came to be in your hands.

I hope the recipient as well as yourself asked permission to both pass them on, and to publish them.

Why, were they copywritten? And was it common law copywrite? Need my address for service of process?
Ready, willing and able. And I will report it!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUREPORTER
[/quote]



Please get a grip on yourself, man! Get focussed!

I am not a litigant or attorney in your lawsuit.

I was simply making an observation and hoping that as a fellow human being and even a Christian, that you have some respect for the rights and privacy of others and have behaved in a courteous and Christian manner.

If I have to serve papers on you to get an answer to that simple thing then any attempts at open discussions on this forum whether between the different parties; or between your side and those with questions who are still reserving judgment, seem totally futile and a waste of time to even attempt..

 I  remain hopeful you will be able to address more important issues in this topic.

They need addressing.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

"As I asked in another thread - Do you remember that chest thumping about how 3ABN and Danny were going down to all kinds of ruin because of the wealth of documentation that Gailon Arthur Joy, Robert Pickle, and Fran ******** had about all those myriad of financial illegalities committed by 3ABN and Danny?

It is all moot now isn't it? There is no truth in their claims. I think the word that is being used is "exonerated" that would mean total admission by the Governing agency that there is nothing amiss . . . and if one reads the emails from Mr. R. Shelton carefully, there is no mention of payments, settlements . . . no, the agency has cleared them - period." ANYMAN

So, where is the letter of exoneration?

And NO, it is not MOOT!!! EVIDENCE is EVIDENCE...the Law is the LAW. If the evidence demontrates that there was a failure to report key information to donors  and that income constituted private inurement, especially while there was much ado about "self-sacrificing", the evidence, aka documentation, will not be MOOT.

OJ walks as a "free" man from a criminal case and lost his shirt...AND BOOK... to a civil case. I think we have discussed civil vs criminal standards before.

But, as in all else to do with 3ABN, the documentation normally tells a different story from the statements of the promoters. But, when was that different from any other "televangelist" self promoting cult?

Where is the letter of "EXONERATION"? I haven't seen it yet. When we do, I will comment further.

Wonder if this will be as elusive as the evidence against Linda Sue Shelton?

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Why, were they copywritten? And was it common law copywrite? Need my address for service of process?
Ready, willing and able. And I will report it!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUREPORTER

Please get a grip on yourself, man.

I am not a litigant or attorney in your lawsuit.

I was simply making an observation and hoping that as a fellow human being and even a Christian, that you have some respect for the rights and privacy of others and have behaved in a courteous and Christian manner.

If I have to serve papers on you to get an answer to that simple thing then any attempts at open discussions between different parties, or those with questions who are still reserving judgment, on this forum seem totally futile, and a waste of time.

I will not bother you further, but I will remain hopeful you will be able to address more important issues in this topic.

You are part of team that has already litigated and I see no "CHRISTIAN COURTESY" in evidence. If you wish to question the veracity of the e-mails you are free to do so, but with your comments were carefully staged innuendos.

Now, this is amazing!!! We do them the favor of advertising their foundation for elation, carefully kept under wraps for some unknown reason of dubious purpose, and now they want us to buy their "christain courtesy" claims.

For the record, your christianity is the chritianty of vipers...and we know where
those slithering critters originated from.

In case you are wondering, I share Eduard's disdain for hypocricy.

And be careful what you tout as it may not be as you think it is. It most certainly has none of the legal import you claim, but MAY have some psychological advantage in the battle for hearts and minds. As you can see, we will get the entire truth in time. AND THE TRUTH WILL BE TOLD.

Get the point, SAM!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Nosir Myzing]

Why, were they copywritten? And was it common law copywrite? Need my address for service of process?
Ready, willing and able. And I will report it!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUREPORTER

Please get a grip on yourself, man.

I am not a litigant or attorney in your lawsuit.

I was simply making an observation and hoping that as a fellow human being and even a Christian, that you have some respect for the rights and privacy of others and have behaved in a courteous and Christian manner.

If I have to serve papers on you to get an answer to that simple thing then any attempts at open discussions between different parties, or those with questions who are still reserving judgment, on this forum seem totally futile, and a waste of time.

I will not bother you further, but I will remain hopeful you will be able to address more important issues in this topic.

You are part of team that has already litigated and I see no "CHRISTIAN COURTESY" in evidence. If you wish to question the veracity of the e-mails you are free to do so, but with your comments were carefully staged innuendos.

Now, this is amazing!!! We do them the favor of advertising their foundation for elation, carefully kept under wraps for some unknown reason of dubious purpose, and now they want us to buy their "christain courtesy" claims.

For the record, your christianity is the chritianty of vipers...and we know where
those slithering critters originated from.

In case you are wondering, I share Eduard's disdain for hypocricy.

And be careful what you tout as it may not be as you think it is. It most certainly has none of the legal import you claim, but MAY have some psychological advantage in the battle for hearts and minds. As you can see, we will get the entire truth in time. AND THE TRUTH WILL BE TOLD.

Get the point, SAM!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

I am quite sure you can not even begin to understand how ridiculous and illogical your reaction is here, or how absurd the words and claims you posted sound to me.

I think it is sufficient to say, any benefit of the doubt I have tried to give you in regards to this topic and thread , you just threw out the window.

I'm sorry about that, and I'll leave it at that.