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[Sam]

"junebug,"

I obliged, and went to the website you have indicated to read the GREAT NEWS." Well, I have to say, I am indeed impressed!! To fill three pages with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING requires a very low IQ, and I am not used to be in the company of such people. So, I am learning!

I did not know that Danny Shelton had his own sect of brainwashed people who worship him, and are on call to do his dirty work. I hope all this "religion" will not end up with all his disciples somewhere in the bushes of Illionis drinking lethal stuff.

Eduard

Eduard,  once again your kind and Christian like posts, blow me away!  You should have considered ministry, you would have been great at it.
BTW is Illionis the 51st state or a territory?  Either way, the only drinking that will be going on is to toast carrot juice at the victory party.

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[Child_of_God]

This seems to fit right here.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MPBS7dVrE1U

 

Maxey, It fit in perfectly. Thank you for sharing.

[Daryl Fawcett]

ADMIN HAT ON!!!

The off-topic posts pertaining to C/A, etc. have been moved to Forum Concerns, therefore, any future posts of this nature posted in this topic will also be moved there and the person making those type of posts here will receive an immediate 48 hours cooling off ban.

ADMIN HAT OFF!!!

[GrandmaNettie]

Gregory,

There is little logic to the accusations from some who, in an apparent frenzy of misguided team spirit, seem to be interpreting the characters of others from a faulty code book.  Such is the down-side of these so-called holy wars. 

As for myself, I have gathered from your well-reasoned postings and communications that you are a true Christian gentleman who supported Linda without any self-centered agenda and brought a cautionary voice to the early investigation. You deserve a warm pat on the back and not an ounce of criticism. 

GrandmaNettie

Just a personal note:

After I made my public statement that I was no longer working closely with Linda Shelton I was accused of selling out to 3-ABN and going over to the so-called enemy.

Now I am being accused of being part of a Joy, Pickle, Fran team that has attempted to destroy 3-ABN and in the process had destroyed Linda.

Folks, get your act together.  Decide what I am.

Perhaps since I am getting it from all sides right now I am actually in a good place.          

[Habanero]

BTW is Illionis the 51st state or a territory?  Either way, the only drinking that will be going on is to toast carrot juice at the victory party.

It is the 21st state.

I am sometimes reminded of the Bar-Kohba debacle as this drama plays out.

[WillowRun]

This post is actually a mild one compared to most, but I keep reading all your posts on this forum and going

I have come to the conclusion that they must represent the spirit of this forum and express the general consensus and way of thinking here as you just keep posting so rudely and so angrily without any objections or disagreement from the majority here.

Maybe this explains what's in the heart causing all of this?  Just click here

I think you need to lighten up a bit.

Delurking.......Oh I just love baby cats!  Real ones are better though....and they don't quite sing like the ones in the video....Cute though....thanks for the smile...

Returning to Lurk Mode....
Willow

[Gregory]

Thank you Grandma for your kind words.

May your 85th birth day do well for you.  May your rumatism not act up to much today.

GM

[Habanero]

Go here to read about it--

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/3abnDefended/messages/136?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1

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Edited to replace the link with a more specific link.

Junebug, are you talking about Ronnie's email regarding the conclusion of the IRS investigation?

[Fair Havens]

    
Re: Did you hear the news?
« Reply #31 on: Today at 06:39:25 AM »
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Quote from: Johann on Today at 04:57:59 AM
There is plenty of sound in an empty barrel

I repeat my earlier post.  This touted http://groups.yahoo.com/group/3abnDefended/messages/136?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1

is nothing but

Quote from: Fair Havens on Today at 06:16:21 AM   

A little disinformation to:

     
         1.   Divert attention however ephemerally from DS on this board

         2.   Divert AT posters to the Yahoo site


 Purpose?   Perhaps to gain a little respite  from the unrelenting 'respectful discussion of 3ABN issues" on this board.     

Just my opinion. Sam,  Mat. 18  notwithstanding. 


I've said reflexively, Fair Havens, do not play along.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

You mean these e-mails from Thursday and Friday of last week:

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Shelton
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:53 PM
Subject: audit


Hello friends,
 
I wanted to let you know that I got a call a few minutes ago and was told that the IRS has ended it's audit of both 3ABN and Danny Shelton's personal audit after nearly one year.
 
They called 3ABN's lawyers and ask them what 3ABN wanted them to do with the 13,000 pages of documents as they were closing the case! They could return the documents or destroy them.
 
THE VERDICT... Not one infraction, not one discrepancy, not one fine!
SQUEAKY CLEAN!   Complete vindication!
 
We are not surprised however, God has been in control all the time! He has foiled another attack by the adversary on one of His greatest ministries!
 
Blessings,
Ron



----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Shelton
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:32 PM
Subject: Audit of 3ABN


Hello friends,
 
I got another update about the number of 3ABN documents that was examined by the IRS. I told you wrong last night. It's not 13,000.,, The lawyers are saying .. OVER 100,000.
 
Praise the Lord!
 
Blessings,
 
Ron

We know that is what the elation seems to be about but the content remains
un substantiated. 3ABN  itself remains silent on such an important issue. But then
maybe they are saving if for the fireworks on Thursday Night Live 3ABN Today. The US Attorney's office also remains silent. Someone will break one way or the other in time.

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Habanero]

So thats that. Congratulations to you Sam, Ian, Donna, Anyman, Junebug and all the others. Negotiation and settlements can be wonderful options in so many disputes. Tomorrow I will go down to Jamba and raise a carrot juice (laced with wheat grass) to the end of this portion of the saga.

[Nosir Myzing]

So thats that. Congratulations to you Sam, Ian, Donna, Anyman, Junebug and all the others. Negotiation and settlements can be wonderful options in so many disputes. Tomorrow I will go down to Jamba and raise a carrot juice (laced with wheat grass) to the end of this portion of the saga.

 I have a question about your words above which I have taken the liberty of emphasizing with bold text.

 I see no indication of any dispute resolution or negotiation of a settlement in the letters Gailon quoted.

Whilst this has not been confirmed, it does say.

THE VERDICT... Not one infraction, not one discrepancy, not one fine!
SQUEAKY CLEAN!   Complete vindication!

Are you speaking of negotiation for resolution and settlement in the dispute and lawsuit 3ABN filed against Gailon Joy and Bob Pickle? or are you speaking of the IRS investigation of  Danny Shelton and 3ABN?

If the latter, what are your words based on?

I ask the question sincerely as just a couple posts back you didn't seem to even know what the good news was.

[Nosir Myzing]

You mean these e-mails from Thursday and Friday of last week:

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Shelton
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:53 PM
Subject: audit


Hello friends,
 
I wanted to let you know that I got a call a few minutes ago and was told that the IRS has ended it's audit of both 3ABN and Danny Shelton's personal audit after nearly one year.
 
They called 3ABN's lawyers and ask them what 3ABN wanted them to do with the 13,000 pages of documents as they were closing the case! They could return the documents or destroy them.
 
THE VERDICT... Not one infraction, not one discrepancy, not one fine!
SQUEAKY CLEAN!   Complete vindication!
 
We are not surprised however, God has been in control all the time! He has foiled another attack by the adversary on one of His greatest ministries!
 
Blessings,
Ron



----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Shelton
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:32 PM
Subject: Audit of 3ABN


Hello friends,
 
I got another update about the number of 3ABN documents that was examined by the IRS. I told you wrong last night. It's not 13,000.,, The lawyers are saying .. OVER 100,000.
 
Praise the Lord!
 
Blessings,
 
Ron

We know that is what the elation seems to be about but the content remains
un substantiated. 3ABN  itself remains silent on such an important issue. But then
maybe they are saving if for the fireworks on Thursday Night Live 3ABN Today. The US Attorney's office also remains silent. Someone will break one way or the other in time.

Gailon Arthur Joy

Must be another interesting story here about who these emails were sent to and how they came to be in your hands.

I hope the recipient as well as yourself asked permission to both pass them on, and to publish them.

[Gregory]

Well, the word is clearly out that the Internal Revenue Service had cleared 3-ABN of financial misconduct as it relates to their area of purview.  This is a significant development that in my opinion has major consequences related to the lawsuit against Gailon and Bob, and others.  Early this morning I sent an e-mail to Gailon in which I told him I would be posting on this subject and I invited him to read it and respond.   He and I both agree in freedom of discussion and that there is value in people of differing perspectives discussing what those differences are.  So, I expect him to   post his perspective on what I am going to say.

It has been properly stated that this news that the IRS has totally cleared 3-ABN is unconfirmed.  That is accurate.  However, I believe it to be true:
1)   It passes the smell test for me.  i.e.  The messages posted by the 3-ABN defenders appear to me to be truthful.  If there is some inaccuracy I expect that it will be minor.
2)   If Gailon had any substantial doubt he would have informed us of that specific doubt.  His failure to do so suggests to me that that the report is accurate.
3)   This report is consistent with how I understand our legal system and the working of the IRS.
a)   While I have believed that the allegations of wrong doing by 3-ABN against the IRS deserved investigation, they did not in my understanding meet the “preponderance of evidence” standard.
b)   They certainly did not meet the “beyond all reasonable doubt” standard which was required for some of the allegations.

In general terms I will suggest that this decision will have a major impact upon the litigation that 3-ABN has filed against Gailon and Bob.  It does not affect, in my thinking certain parts of that litigation.  However, I will suggest that it does affect some major parts and that it becomes much more likely that 3-ABN will prevail in regard to charges related to libel and defamation of character.  NOTE: I am neither a licensed attorney nor am I trained in the law. My statements here are not intended to be an expression of a legal opinion nor are they intended to be an expression of the legal merits of any litigation.  Such opinions should be obtained from competent legal counsel which I am not.

I will suggest that this decision may have an impact on Gailon, Bob, Fran and Linda:

Gailon may not be an attorney.  However, he is astute in regard to reading the direction that the legal wind is blowing.  I will suggest that he will understand how this decision might affect him and that he will act accordingly.  I am not going to presume to advice him in an area that I expect him to understand.  But, it will be of interest to see how he personally responds.

Bob had done remarkably well in representing himself pro se.  However, in my opinion he is failing to prevail.  Success in litigation is not measured by inconsequential victories.  Rather it is measured by whether or not one prevails.  Bob appears to me to be outgunned and acting outside his area of expertise.  I simply see him as failing to prevail.  As such he may want to consider contacting the attorneys who represent 3-ABN and asking how his part in the lawsuit can be resolved without further litigation.  This has been a huge emotional and financial drain on him and on his family.  It may be time for him to attempt to reach a settlement and move on in the life of him and his family.

Fran:  I have no substantial comment about her.  She raised issues that were worthy of   investigation.  The IRS now appears to have ruled against her.  She can be thankful that she has not been a defendant in the litigation.

Linda:  On the surface this may appear to some to have no effect on her.   She can be thankful that she is not a defendant.  She has raised issues that do not appear to be related to the IRS ruling.  But, this ruling has a deeper meaning for her than what lies on the surface.  This ruling is likely to bring the ongoing controversy to a close in major aspects sooner rather than later.  As that time comes, Linda will need to move on with her life which is a life outside of the litigation and this controversy.  She will have to make a life for herself that is unrelated to either Danny or 3-ABN.  That time has been expected to come eventually.  I will suggest that it will now come sooner.

Well, we shall wait and see how things develop.

Gregory Matthews

[Nosir Myzing]

I can both understand and appreciate how in many ways it may have been difficult to write the above, Gregory.

I am therefore all the more appreciative of your candor.

Yes, we shall wait and see how things develop.