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[Johann]

Let's say that someone has told  me confidentially that not everything the Gentlemen have written here above is the truth, will I break the confidentiality by making such a statement if I do not reveal who has made that remark? Please note that I am not making a statements, only asking a question!

[Sam]

NOTE:  I have abridged the following quote and I am inserting my responses and comments in brackets  [ ] .

Come now.  One might say that there are well-informed, active people on both sides who do not believe that they are on a righteouls crusade. 

Even if one did this, surely one would still say that there are many on each side who are on a righteours crusade to protect the integrity of God's work and His church.

NOTE: On a personal basis, I am willing to acknowledge that all involved people beleive that they are on a righteous crusade.

Then, out of the blue, a request for assistance with the return of service for a subpeona to an individual outside the Walla Walla area suddenly explodes right in our hands and we find one with whom we were of united purpose clarifying that it was the purpose of their new circle to rescue the central figure in this saga from the "clutches" of those misguided and to help her to put distance between herself and Pickle and Joy. A new dimension indeed!!! Intrigue of the finest kind!!! And clarity quickly came out of the fog...Pickle and Joy had leprosy...yes, leprosy was the culprit...stay away at all costs!!!

[Yes,Gailon, this was a new dimension.  This change in direction cam from Linda herself, as you well know.   It was her personal decision and it was not one that anyone else attempted to persuade her to make--Gregory Matthews.]

Yes, suddenly, we were the problem. We had become the oppressors. We were the reason her career would not recover. We were the source of the problem that kept directors and officers of 3ABN working overtime to prevent her public speaking is the SDA churches. Our defense was just too strong an offense for the easily offended and we were clearly destined to loose the defamation lawsuit!!!

[The above seems to me to be an overstatement (exrageration) but, if you want to make that claim, so be it--Gregory Matthews.]

Indeed, a re-alignment of attorneys became neccasary as the conflict became grossly apparent. And there is no question that sources are no longer reliable witnesses so they can move on with their lives and avoid leprosy...and documentation is now the key.

[Yes, as you well know and I believe you publicly stated in a post here in Advent Talk, the litigation had become so complex that it was appropriate to consider how Linda's interests could best be represented and that was what she requested.  But, that is simply how some legal cases develop should simply be considered a normal consequence of how this case was developing.  That happens regularly in  litigation.  Lawyers advise their client to seek further assistance from other litigators.  But, you know that--Gregory Matthews.]


In summary, Mr Gregory, these are not "crusaders"...on the contrary, they elect to avoid conflict at every turn; they do not challenge evil, but would rather elect by default to co-exist with it in some form of peaceful detante. LAODICEA is alive and well and the Aachans that Grandma Nettie refers to run unchallenged and brazenly unfettered throughout christendom under the guise of "crusaders" for Christ while picking the pockets of the saints and the not so saintly in their crusading campaigns. 

[Gailon, litigation seldom settles every aspect of the case in a nice neat manner.  In the very beginning I stated that each side of the litigatin would probably win some and lose some and it would remain to be seen who would be the ultimate winner.  Many of the aspects of this case lie outside of the ability of the denomination to resolve and lie in the realm of the civil authorities.  IRS compoliance, copyright, defamation of character and much more clearly are outside of denominaitonal bounds and lie in the civil realm.  Clearly, you and others associated with you, back in the very beginning, proclaimed that you would welcome the civil authorities to enter the fray and to render their judgement.  This lawsuit is clearly the answer to the desire of some for the civil authorities to become involved as was the IRS investigation.  The reality is that any failure of the IRS to find wrong doing is a major blow to those who made a major issue of IRS compliance.  The reality is that the likely hood of 3-ABN prevailing in the lawsuit in regard to libel and defamination of character is greatly increased.  Like it or not, the civil authorities will render their verdict in the issues before them and people will have to live with that verdict regardles of what it is--Gregory Matthews.]

No, Mr Gregory, there is no "righteous crusade' but simply a war; an insidious un-civil war where there are no "loyalties". Their is no army and one cannot count on the truth, support or ethics of "christians" and their morally challenged "compass".

[In regard to "righteous crusade," as I have said, I believe that people on both sides believed that they werr on a righteous crusade defending truth and justice.  Those who cannot understand this are simply showing their failure to understand the issues.  One of the aspects of war is the requirement to understand the thinking of the other side.  A failure to understand the thinking of the other side will typically resullt in a compromised battle plan--Gregory Matthews.] 

The paths on every front are littered with the bodies of the less battle hardened and the weak. And the strong plunder on without regard to the broken and bleeding bodies on all sides of the many battlefields.

Ironically, one can only document their way to victory and trust the truth will be revealed and that those who see it, recognize it. The remainder will remain ignorant unto death. So be it!!!

But, the lesson learned once, again and forever, It was Joy and Pickle that troubleth Israel!!!

Here, in the twists and turns of this LITTLE saga, has been played out all the intrique, backstabbing and bitter engagements that illuminate the Great Controversy of which we are all a part. Will there be any winners or are we all in some important way loosers???

Maybe, just maybe, the missing element in the entire process has been CHRISTIANITY!!! In other words, maybe we ALL are on the outside looking in!!!

[Ah, Gailon, your have hit on a major truth in my thinking.  One issue as I see it is that people on both sides have decended to doing what they accuse the other side of doing--Gregory Matthews.]

[NOTE: In the above statement, I do not refer to criminal activites.  So, I am not accusing anyone of committing any crimes--Gregory Matthews.]

Gailon Arthur Joy

By the way, The Boston area is a beautifu area.  At the request of the General Conference I spent 6 days there in May.  I had not visited Boston since about 1979.  Congratulations on living in a nice area.

For so long we heard that Linda was "keeping silent", taking the "high road" and 3abn was trashing her.  The above highlighted statement clearly shows the working relationship between Linda, Pickle, and Joy.  Joy also mentions taking on the task of restoring what he believed to have been taken from her. In light of just these 2 statements, how can anyone continue to deny that so much of the faulty, twisted, and false information released by Pickle and Joy did, indeed, come from Linda?  There was no "silence" and "taking the high road" going on. The exact opposite was taking place by someone who wanted to exact revenge on their ex husband and 3abn and were willing to use Pickle, Joy and anyone else that would play the part, while she remained the "silent" partner.  As the plans kept changing, those that did not fit into the role she needed them to play were cast by the wayside and new gullible players were "picked up" to play the new roles.

While 3abn went about life as usual which means spreading the gospel 24/7, the ex vp has been totally caught up and active in eroding the reputations of Danny, Mollie, the 3abn board, the Shelton family, and anyone else caught in the cross fire.  Anyone who believed that she was not behind this campaign was wearing huge blinders, ear plugs and using only a teeny tiny portion of their brain.  All of those that have stood behind 3abn and "vouched" for the integrity of Gods ministry, were those that had spent time there, with Danny with Linda, with employees and had witnessed, first hand, how the campaign started, who started it, and why.  People like Jim G, Doug B, Kenneth C. Garwin M, Owen Troy, Wintley P. and so many others knew the difference between truth and revenge. They knew the people, had first hand experience and watched the progression of the Doctor's entrance into the picture through counseling, the seperation and the divorce.  It was no secret where Linda headed directly following the divorce. It was no secret to the insiders that for all the blame put on Danny getting a "quickie divorce" that Linda was the one who instigated it by making a threat that is too long to go into now. She knew then by forcing Danny to file it would make him look like the bad guy. The pattern was one set up after another but only those on the inside that knew Danny and the 3abn board personally, knew those patterns and knew the truth.

When the smear campaign first began, there was talk of putting out the "evidence" to stop the lies before they even got a good headstart.  But after prayer, discussion and legal advice, they decided against it for several reasons. In hindsight I'm sure they never dreamed it would get to the point that it did, or they may have made a different decision.

As more and more people started to believe what they were reading about 3abn, there also was a growing, opposite camp of influential people, members of leadership, conference officials etc.. who were seeing more and more of who was behind this campaign and knowing themselves that many things being told were out and out lies.  More and more became aware of who was initially behind this plan and that this same person was providing much of the inaccurate and untrue information.  This is when the tide began to change against Linda. Those who knew the truth were not interested in having her visit their churches to "minister" to others, knowing she was involved in trying to destroy a ministry, families and reputations.  One claim that convinced many that she was out for revenge was her "abuse" claim.  Anyone who knew the couple intimately, traveled with them, spent weeks at a time with them knew that Danny idolized Linda and that she "ruled the roost" so to speak as her way was the only way. Even those that didn't like Danny for one reason or another have laughed at the claim of abuse. Not only did he love her too much he never had an abusive character. Just wasn't him. Those kind of outlandish claims started turning the tide for many who knew better. As the claims, accusations and smearing of reputations of those that weren't even in the spotlight became more and more outlandish and unchristlike, the people that turned, knew they had turned correctly.

Now it seems that Pickle and Joy like several before them, have wore out their welcome in Linda's future plans.  She has finally realized how many people have discovered that she has been far from silent but used others do the talking for her. This has been a blow to her reputation so naturally, those that have been her mouth pieces must be thrown under the bus while she regroups and recruits for plan B. Of course this leaves Mr. Pickle and Mr. Joy still in a peck of legal trouble for making lies public that were told to them, while Linda walks away.  Clearly one must consider motives for her actions.

1. Does she think if she seperates herself from the duo that she will not be required to be deposed by the 3abn Lawyers?

2. Does she think if seperated from the duo that others will forget or not consider her long association with them and the repurcussions it has brought about for all concerned?

This next idea isn't a question and is MHO but I believe it 100%.   Did I not put out a recent challenge to Linda stating that I was positive if she signed an agreement of no legal action against 3abn that they would make the evidence against her public?
Joy immediately responded she had new attorney's and he was positive they wouldn't allow it.  The challenge was thrown out to her friends also to make sure they approached her with it.   No response from her.   Now, she doesn't want anything more to do with Joy, Pickle and those working with them. It has not "been good" for her ministry.

Coincidence?  Or does the request for a signed agreement show her that 3abn is serious about meeting her demand of evidence if no legal action will be taken?

You decide.

[Artiste]

Sorry you have become so deluded, Sam.

[Maxey]

Sorry you have become so deluded, Sam.

Well Artiste this is one time I just can’t let a pithy comment go unchallenged.  I’ve never been picked to join a “side” in this mess and think there are issues in both camps.

What I am absolutely certain of is that Linda Shelton has been not only complicit but instrumental in the attacks on 3ABN and her ex husband.  There are too many of her fingerprints, including private emails that have been shared to come to any other conclusion.  I suspect this will be verified as various people get their deposition turns.

Has Danny Shelton had problems?  You bet.  I’m thinking there are going to be some surprises when the extent of Linda’s real activities comes to light.  Sure would be nice to see this handled in private where it belongs.

[guide4him]

 No matter even if Linda did all that Danny said she did, the way he treated her on world wide television blatantly shows his disregard for human beings in general and  Linda specifically.

Always seemed strange to me that on their website 3ABN kept saying they wanted to consider Linda's feelings, while on world wide television weekly Danny et al would say some of the most horrible things about her. Why didn't they just honor her like they claimed on their website and not trash her on world wide tv like they did? Sounds like two face to me.

Sam's remark never satisfy my questions.

[Fran]

How did we get from Barbara Kerr to Linda?  It is by the leading of 3ABN posters.  It seems to me that no matter what has happened, the blame goes to Linda.  I, for one, wonder how she can get up and face the world with a smile.

Evidence is every where that Linda was condemned in the public arena.  Linda has never made a bad statement about Danny except about his affair with Brenda.

Do I care if he committed Adultery?  Only in that he has crucified Linda for 4 years with not one retort from Linda.

Do I care if Linda committed adultery?  No.  What I consider evil is the way 3ABN has abused Linda for something she did not do.  I will never believe she committed adultery unless she says so!

Anything forthcoming against Linda, I will consider it to be fabricated and will not be able to believe it.  It will be just more of the same.  There is no proof; just hearsay from Brenda, who I believe was the other woman.

Danny should have announced that he and Linda had decided to divorce, period.  But Danny had to make her the evil one instead of him for his infidelity.  Now after 4 years of building a lie, it is supposed to be gospel.  Not as far as I am concerned.

This is just another hijacking of another thread.  It is so tiring.  I am tired of all the evil surmising of the last 4 years.  All being after the fact.

[Jack Indabocks]

 No matter even if Linda did all that Danny said she did, the way he treated her on world wide television blatantly shows his disregard for human beings in general and  Linda specifically.

Always seemed strange to me that on their website 3ABN kept saying they wanted to consider Lindas feelings, while on world wide television weekly Danny et al would say some of the most horrible things about her. Why didnt they just honor her like they claimed on their website and not trash her on world wide tv like they did? Sounds like two face to me.

Sams remark never satisfy my questions.

Even if that serial rapist or murderer or adulteress  did all that is claimed there is no excuse for so blatantly calling a duck a duck? How rude and unchristian!

A man came across another man in an alley raping his wife and began to shout \\\\\\\" Rape! Rape!\\\\\\\" and so many on AdventTalk came to tackle him and accuse him of being a name caller nd unchristian and unloving, and ignored the victim of the crime and sin. Why? There was no sense ior excuse for such!

Sound familiar?

Give me a break.


Why don t you try and quote even one horrible thing which was said about Linda?

Better yet why don t you show how she was trashed, even one time publically? and quote it! With a reference!

Or show how anything. and I do mean anything  was said about her at all BEFORE her defenders came on the internet trashing 3abn and Danny Shelton and she started her website?

If you can do so? you will be the first.

So anyone? go for it!

My ears are wide open.

Inquiring readers as well as myself would love to see your evidence.

[Gregory]

NOTE:  I have abridged the following quote and I am inserting my responses and comments in brackets  [ ] .

Come now.  One might say that there are well-informed, active people on both sides who do not believe that they are on a righteouls crusade. 

Even if one did this, surely one would still say that there are many on each side who are on a righteours crusade to protect the integrity of God's work and His church.

NOTE: On a personal basis, I am willing to acknowledge that all involved people beleive that they are on a righteous crusade.

Then, out of the blue, a request for assistance with the return of service for a subpeona to an individual outside the Walla Walla area suddenly explodes right in our hands and we find one with whom we were of united purpose clarifying that it was the purpose of their new circle to rescue the central figure in this saga from the "clutches" of those misguided and to help her to put distance between herself and Pickle and Joy. A new dimension indeed!!! Intrigue of the finest kind!!! And clarity quickly came out of the fog...Pickle and Joy had leprosy...yes, leprosy was the culprit...stay away at all costs!!!

[Yes,Gailon, this was a new dimension.  This change in direction cam from Linda herself, as you well know.   It was her personal decision and it was not one that anyone else attempted to persuade her to make--Gregory Matthews.]

Yes, suddenly, we were the problem. We had become the oppressors. We were the reason her career would not recover. We were the source of the problem that kept directors and officers of 3ABN working overtime to prevent her public speaking is the SDA churches. Our defense was just too strong an offense for the easily offended and we were clearly destined to loose the defamation lawsuit!!!

[The above seems to me to be an overstatement (exrageration) but, if you want to make that claim, so be it--Gregory Matthews.]

Indeed, a re-alignment of attorneys became neccasary as the conflict became grossly apparent. And there is no question that sources are no longer reliable witnesses so they can move on with their lives and avoid leprosy...and documentation is now the key.

[Yes, as you well know and I believe you publicly stated in a post here in Advent Talk, the litigation had become so complex that it was appropriate to consider how Linda's interests could best be represented and that was what she requested.  But, that is simply how some legal cases develop should simply be considered a normal consequence of how this case was developing.  That happens regularly in  litigation.  Lawyers advise their client to seek further assistance from other litigators.  But, you know that--Gregory Matthews.]


In summary, Mr Gregory, these are not "crusaders"...on the contrary, they elect to avoid conflict at every turn; they do not challenge evil, but would rather elect by default to co-exist with it in some form of peaceful detante. LAODICEA is alive and well and the Aachans that Grandma Nettie refers to run unchallenged and brazenly unfettered throughout christendom under the guise of "crusaders" for Christ while picking the pockets of the saints and the not so saintly in their crusading campaigns. 

[Gailon, litigation seldom settles every aspect of the case in a nice neat manner.  In the very beginning I stated that each side of the litigatin would probably win some and lose some and it would remain to be seen who would be the ultimate winner.  Many of the aspects of this case lie outside of the ability of the denomination to resolve and lie in the realm of the civil authorities.  IRS compoliance, copyright, defamation of character and much more clearly are outside of denominaitonal bounds and lie in the civil realm.  Clearly, you and others associated with you, back in the very beginning, proclaimed that you would welcome the civil authorities to enter the fray and to render their judgement.  This lawsuit is clearly the answer to the desire of some for the civil authorities to become involved as was the IRS investigation.  The reality is that any failure of the IRS to find wrong doing is a major blow to those who made a major issue of IRS compliance.  The reality is that the likely hood of 3-ABN prevailing in the lawsuit in regard to libel and defamination of character is greatly increased.  Like it or not, the civil authorities will render their verdict in the issues before them and people will have to live with that verdict regardles of what it is--Gregory Matthews.]

No, Mr Gregory, there is no "righteous crusade' but simply a war; an insidious un-civil war where there are no "loyalties". Their is no army and one cannot count on the truth, support or ethics of "christians" and their morally challenged "compass".

[In regard to "righteous crusade," as I have said, I believe that people on both sides believed that they werr on a righteous crusade defending truth and justice.  Those who cannot understand this are simply showing their failure to understand the issues.  One of the aspects of war is the requirement to understand the thinking of the other side.  A failure to understand the thinking of the other side will typically resullt in a compromised battle plan--Gregory Matthews.] 

The paths on every front are littered with the bodies of the less battle hardened and the weak. And the strong plunder on without regard to the broken and bleeding bodies on all sides of the many battlefields.

Ironically, one can only document their way to victory and trust the truth will be revealed and that those who see it, recognize it. The remainder will remain ignorant unto death. So be it!!!

But, the lesson learned once, again and forever, It was Joy and Pickle that troubleth Israel!!!

Here, in the twists and turns of this LITTLE saga, has been played out all the intrique, backstabbing and bitter engagements that illuminate the Great Controversy of which we are all a part. Will there be any winners or are we all in some important way loosers???

Maybe, just maybe, the missing element in the entire process has been CHRISTIANITY!!! In other words, maybe we ALL are on the outside looking in!!!

[Ah, Gailon, your have hit on a major truth in my thinking.  One issue as I see it is that people on both sides have decended to doing what they accuse the other side of doing--Gregory Matthews.]

[NOTE: In the above statement, I do not refer to criminal activites.  So, I am not accusing anyone of committing any crimes--Gregory Matthews.]

Gailon Arthur Joy

By the way, The Boston area is a beautifu area.  At the request of the General Conference I spent 6 days there in May.  I had not visited Boston since about 1979.  Congratulations on living in a nice area.

For so long we heard that Linda was "keeping silent", taking the "high road" and 3abn was trashing her.  The above highlighted statement clearly shows the working relationship between Linda, Pickle, and Joy.  Joy also mentions taking on the task of restoring what he believed to have been taken from her. In light of just these 2 statements, how can anyone continue to deny that so much of the faulty, twisted, and false information released by Pickle and Joy did, indeed, come from Linda?  There was no "silence" and "taking the high road" going on. The exact opposite was taking place by someone who wanted to exact revenge on their ex husband and 3abn and were willing to use Pickle, Joy and anyone else that would play the part, while she remained the "silent" partner.  As the plans kept changing, those that did not fit into the role she needed them to play were cast by the wayside and new gullible players were "picked up" to play the new roles.

While 3abn went about life as usual which means spreading the gospel 24/7, the ex vp has been totally caught up and active in eroding the reputations of Danny, Mollie, the 3abn board, the Shelton family, and anyone else caught in the cross fire.  Anyone who believed that she was not behind this campaign was wearing huge blinders, ear plugs and using only a teeny tiny portion of their brain.  All of those that have stood behind 3abn and "vouched" for the integrity of Gods ministry, were those that had spent time there, with Danny with Linda, with employees and had witnessed, first hand, how the campaign started, who started it, and why.  People like Jim G, Doug B, Kenneth C. Garwin M, Owen Troy, Wintley P. and so many others knew the difference between truth and revenge. They knew the people, had first hand experience and watched the progression of the Doctor's entrance into the picture through counseling, the seperation and the divorce.  It was no secret where Linda headed directly following the divorce. It was no secret to the insiders that for all the blame put on Danny getting a "quickie divorce" that Linda was the one who instigated it by making a threat that is too long to go into now. She knew then by forcing Danny to file it would make him look like the bad guy. The pattern was one set up after another but only those on the inside that knew Danny and the 3abn board personally, knew those patterns and knew the truth.

When the smear campaign first began, there was talk of putting out the "evidence" to stop the lies before they even got a good headstart.  But after prayer, discussion and legal advice, they decided against it for several reasons. In hindsight I'm sure they never dreamed it would get to the point that it did, or they may have made a different decision.

As more and more people started to believe what they were reading about 3abn, there also was a growing, opposite camp of influential people, members of leadership, conference officials etc.. who were seeing more and more of who was behind this campaign and knowing themselves that many things being told were out and out lies.  More and more became aware of who was initially behind this plan and that this same person was providing much of the inaccurate and untrue information.  This is when the tide began to change against Linda. Those who knew the truth were not interested in having her visit their churches to "minister" to others, knowing she was involved in trying to destroy a ministry, families and reputations.  One claim that convinced many that she was out for revenge was her "abuse" claim.  Anyone who knew the couple intimately, traveled with them, spent weeks at a time with them knew that Danny idolized Linda and that she "ruled the roost" so to speak as her way was the only way. Even those that didn't like Danny for one reason or another have laughed at the claim of abuse. Not only did he love her too much he never had an abusive character. Just wasn't him. Those kind of outlandish claims started turning the tide for many who knew better. As the claims, accusations and smearing of reputations of those that weren't even in the spotlight became more and more outlandish and unchristlike, the people that turned, knew they had turned correctly.

Now it seems that Pickle and Joy like several before them, have wore out their welcome in Linda's future plans.  She has finally realized how many people have discovered that she has been far from silent but used others do the talking for her. This has been a blow to her reputation so naturally, those that have been her mouth pieces must be thrown under the bus while she regroups and recruits for plan B. Of course this leaves Mr. Pickle and Mr. Joy still in a peck of legal trouble for making lies public that were told to them, while Linda walks away.  Clearly one must consider motives for her actions.

1. Does she think if she seperates herself from the duo that she will not be required to be deposed by the 3abn Lawyers?

2. Does she think if seperated from the duo that others will forget or not consider her long association with them and the repurcussions it has brought about for all concerned?

This next idea isn't a question and is MHO but I believe it 100%.   Did I not put out a recent challenge to Linda stating that I was positive if she signed an agreement of no legal action against 3abn that they would make the evidence against her public?
Joy immediately responded she had new attorney's and he was positive they wouldn't allow it.  The challenge was thrown out to her friends also to make sure they approached her with it.   No response from her.   Now, she doesn't want anything more to do with Joy, Pickle and those working with them. It has not "been good" for her ministry.

Coincidence?  Or does the request for a signed agreement show her that 3abn is serious about meeting her demand of evidence if no legal action will be taken?

You decide.

Sam:

For several years some people saw me as the voice for Linda Shelton.  Contrary to those who attempt now to deny that I was such, I worked very closely with Linda Shelton.  I worked closelly enough to her to know very well where she was on many issues.

For reasons that are not simple and highly complex I am not now working closely with Linda.  In fact, I have had not contact of any kind with her for several months.

But, regardless of the facts that produced this change in relationship, I am still a supporter of Linda in many ways.

I will state flat out, that based upon much knowledge that I have, your assumptions about Linda Shelton are simply wrong.  You are doing what many people are doing on both sides of these issues.  They make assumptions, look at circumstancial evidence and arive at false conslusions.  I would like to see both sides clean up their act in this regard.

Linda and I probably (?) have some current differences of opinion in some areas.  It is probable that she wishes that I had done some things differently from what I have done.  But, I will not allow those possible differences and that fact that I do not work closely with her now to cause me to keep my mouth shut when you make a statement that is simply false and unfounded. There is much more out there than you are aware of.  Your personal knowledge is limited.  Your are simply wrong.

NOTE: I do not accuse you of intentionally makiing that false statement.

At this point in time I am not going to share some of what I know to be fact.  If I were to do so, some of you would be dumb-founded.  Some would likely accept what I could say as truth.  Others would likely spin it and deny it.  I can live with that.  The time has not yet come for everything to be put out for public discussion.


You are very wrong.

[Bob Pickle]

Gregory is right, Sam. You are wrong.

I never received any communication from Linda Shelton till about December 11, 2006, after becoming involved in August. The information I had about Tommy and Danny's handling of the allegations against Tommy came from Walt, Dryden, and Riva, not Linda, and I wrote Danny about it before receiving any communication from Linda.

[Jack Indabocks]

Gregory is right, Sam. You are wrong.

I never received any communication from Linda Shelton till about December 11, 2006, after becoming involved in August. The information I had about Tommy and Danny\'s handling of the allegations against Tommy came from Walt, Dryden, and Riva, not Linda, and I wrote Danny about it before receiving any communication from Linda.

This appears to be a mystery to many.

How did this all about Linda Shelton start on the internet?

Anybody ever trace it back to the beginning?

Any one know who the first to post about this were on the forums, or where and how and who they got their information from?


Anybody got links to those posts?

That could reveal alot...

[guide4him]

Most all tv shows are archived on the web. Do the research. It is all there.

[Bob Pickle]

How did this all about Linda Shelton start on the internet?

What does that matter? If Danny, Walt, Tommy, Riva, and others confirm this point or that point, what does it matter how it all started? If wrongs have been done, wrongs have been done, and God requires that wrongs be righted.

By saying that I'm not saying that Linda started it on the internet.

[Sam]

How did we get from Barbara Kerr to Linda?  It is by the leading of 3ABN posters.  It seems to me that no matter what has happened, the blame goes to Linda.  I, for one, wonder how she can get up and face the world with a smile.

Evidence is every where that Linda was condemned in the public arena.  Linda has never made a bad statement about Danny except about his affair with Brenda.

Do I care if he committed Adultery?  Only in that he has crucified Linda for 4 years with not one retort from Linda.

Do I care if Linda committed adultery?  No.  What I consider evil is the way 3ABN has abused Linda for something she did not do.  I will never believe she committed adultery unless she says so!

Anything forthcoming against Linda, I will consider it to be fabricated and will not be able to believe it.  It will be just more of the same.  There is no proof; just hearsay from Brenda, who I believe was the other woman.

Danny should have announced that he and Linda had decided to divorce, period.  But Danny had to make her the evil one instead of him for his infidelity.  Now after 4 years of building a lie, it is supposed to be gospel.  Not as far as I am concerned.

This is just another hijacking of another thread.  It is so tiring.  I am tired of all the evil surmising of the last 4 years.  All being after the fact.

Let me see if I have this right.  You will not only believe and repeat a so called accusation from Linda that Danny had an affair with Brenda W. But, you refuse to believe from Danny, the entire 3abn board and some of Linda's closest friends that she had an affair with Arild?

As I said above you are even to repeat the accusation from Linda as a fact when your friends Pickle and Joy are already in all kinds of trouble for defamation. Why would you be so willing to stick your neck out for someone you don't know at all?

Now lets look at the fact that you are a prime of example of what I was saying about Linda not keeping silent.  You say she made one accusation against Danny. Now look how you are repeating it as fact on the net and probably verbally with people.  Now how many people have picked that up and told it to other people and on and on and on. You think Linda hasn't spread rumors?  Please...you just proved the opposite.

[Sam]

For so long we heard that Linda was "keeping silent", taking the "high road" and 3abn was trashing her.  The above highlighted statement clearly shows the working relationship between Linda, Pickle, and Joy.  Joy also mentions taking on the task of restoring what he believed to have been taken from her. In light of just these 2 statements, how can anyone continue to deny that so much of the faulty, twisted, and false information released by Pickle and Joy did, indeed, come from Linda?  There was no "silence" and "taking the high road" going on. The exact opposite was taking place by someone who wanted to exact revenge on their ex husband and 3abn and were willing to use Pickle, Joy and anyone else that would play the part, while she remained the "silent" partner.  As the plans kept changing, those that did not fit into the role she needed them to play were cast by the wayside and new gullible players were "picked up" to play the new roles.

While 3abn went about life as usual which means spreading the gospel 24/7, the ex vp has been totally caught up and active in eroding the reputations of Danny, Mollie, the 3abn board, the Shelton family, and anyone else caught in the cross fire.  Anyone who believed that she was not behind this campaign was wearing huge blinders, ear plugs and using only a teeny tiny portion of their brain.  All of those that have stood behind 3abn and "vouched" for the integrity of Gods ministry, were those that had spent time there, with Danny with Linda, with employees and had witnessed, first hand, how the campaign started, who started it, and why.  People like Jim G, Doug B, Kenneth C. Garwin M, Owen Troy, Wintley P. and so many others knew the difference between truth and revenge. They knew the people, had first hand experience and watched the progression of the Doctor's entrance into the picture through counseling, the seperation and the divorce.  It was no secret where Linda headed directly following the divorce. It was no secret to the insiders that for all the blame put on Danny getting a "quickie divorce" that Linda was the one who instigated it by making a threat that is too long to go into now. She knew then by forcing Danny to file it would make him look like the bad guy. The pattern was one set up after another but only those on the inside that knew Danny and the 3abn board personally, knew those patterns and knew the truth.

When the smear campaign first began, there was talk of putting out the "evidence" to stop the lies before they even got a good headstart.  But after prayer, discussion and legal advice, they decided against it for several reasons. In hindsight I'm sure they never dreamed it would get to the point that it did, or they may have made a different decision.

As more and more people started to believe what they were reading about 3abn, there also was a growing, opposite camp of influential people, members of leadership, conference officials etc.. who were seeing more and more of who was behind this campaign and knowing themselves that many things being told were out and out lies.  More and more became aware of who was initially behind this plan and that this same person was providing much of the inaccurate and untrue information.  This is when the tide began to change against Linda. Those who knew the truth were not interested in having her visit their churches to "minister" to others, knowing she was involved in trying to destroy a ministry, families and reputations.  One claim that convinced many that she was out for revenge was her "abuse" claim.  Anyone who knew the couple intimately, traveled with them, spent weeks at a time with them knew that Danny idolized Linda and that she "ruled the roost" so to speak as her way was the only way. Even those that didn't like Danny for one reason or another have laughed at the claim of abuse. Not only did he love her too much he never had an abusive character. Just wasn't him. Those kind of outlandish claims started turning the tide for many who knew better. As the claims, accusations and smearing of reputations of those that weren't even in the spotlight became more and more outlandish and unchristlike, the people that turned, knew they had turned correctly.

Now it seems that Pickle and Joy like several before them, have wore out their welcome in Linda's future plans.  She has finally realized how many people have discovered that she has been far from silent but used others do the talking for her. This has been a blow to her reputation so naturally, those that have been her mouth pieces must be thrown under the bus while she regroups and recruits for plan B. Of course this leaves Mr. Pickle and Mr. Joy still in a peck of legal trouble for making lies public that were told to them, while Linda walks away.  Clearly one must consider motives for her actions.

1. Does she think if she seperates herself from the duo that she will not be required to be deposed by the 3abn Lawyers?

2. Does she think if seperated from the duo that others will forget or not consider her long association with them and the repurcussions it has brought about for all concerned?

This next idea isn't a question and is MHO but I believe it 100%.   Did I not put out a recent challenge to Linda stating that I was positive if she signed an agreement of no legal action against 3abn that they would make the evidence against her public?
Joy immediately responded she had new attorney's and he was positive they wouldn't allow it.  The challenge was thrown out to her friends also to make sure they approached her with it.   No response from her.   Now, she doesn't want anything more to do with Joy, Pickle and those working with them. It has not "been good" for her ministry.

Coincidence?  Or does the request for a signed agreement show her that 3abn is serious about meeting her demand of evidence if no legal action will be taken?

You decide.

Sam:

For several years some people saw me as the voice for Linda Shelton.  Contrary to those who attempt now to deny that I was such, I worked very closely with Linda Shelton.  I worked closelly enough to her to know very well where she was on many issues.

For reasons that are not simple and highly complex I am not now working closely with Linda.  In fact, I have had not contact of any kind with her for several months.

But, regardless of the facts that produced this change in relationship, I am still a supporter of Linda in many ways.

I will state flat out, that based upon much knowledge that I have, your assumptions about Linda Shelton are simply wrong.  You are doing what many people are doing on both sides of these issues.  They make assumptions, look at circumstancial evidence and arive at false conslusions.  I would like to see both sides clean up their act in this regard.

Linda and I probably (?) have some current differences of opinion in some areas.  It is probable that she wishes that I had done some things differently from what I have done.  But, I will not allow those possible differences and that fact that I do not work closely with her now to cause me to keep my mouth shut when you make a statement that is simply false and unfounded. There is much more out there than you are aware of.  Your personal knowledge is limited.  Your are simply wrong.

NOTE: I do not accuse you of intentionally makiing that false statement.

At this point in time I am not going to share some of what I know to be fact.  If I were to do so, some of you would be dumb-founded.  Some would likely accept what I could say as truth.  Others would likely spin it and deny it.  I can live with that.  The time has not yet come for everything to be put out for public discussion.


You are very wrong.


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Gregory, I appreciate the fact that you do not accuse me of lying. That is way ahead of most on this forum. What you do assume is that I am not close enough to the situation or do not know anything for fact.  You are very wrong.  You cannot make an assumption like that as you do not know my identity and therefore cannot assume what I know, what I have witnessed and experienced.

You say there are some things you know to be facts. Let me just say Gregory unless you eye witnessed something yourself, you cannot know if it is a fact. The whole 3abn topic has proven over and over that what many people have referred to as fact, was what they were told my someone else. If they think that "someone else" is a good source or to them seems a "credible" source, they say it is fact.  Clearly many of these "facts" have now been proven to have been nothing but false accusations and repeated heresay.

You think because you worked closely with Linda the last few years that you know her.  You need to remember what circumstances she was in when you met and what she wanted others to think and believe.

Just remember, there may be some on this forum who have known Linda far longer than you and have saw first hand her day to day behaviour, motives, treatment of others,  and so on. This was the "unguarded" Linda that was VP of 3abn and therefore didn't have to worry about swaying anyone to this position or that. 

Don't assume too much Gregory as I could be on of those people.

[Artiste]

Since Linda is not on this forum to defend herself...

I will just say this.  According to the accounts of several people who were there, Linda was not only the innocent one in the marraige breakup, she was also by far the last one to know about Danny Shelton's and Brenda Walsh's affair.