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[Artiste]

I could be wrong, but I think Danny convinced Barbara that Linda was wrong and he was right, and then later Barbara switched to Linda's side. That's how I remember the story.

The whole thing is a bit complex. Who are Barbara's present sources, and are they reliable?
The one thing that is concrete is that Danny in the last half of July 2004 did not know whether Linda had committed fornication or not, for he wrote her that letter that said that she was about to, IF she hadn't already.

So if Brenda's story back then was what it is today, why would Danny have said IF in that letter? That's what doesn't make sense to me.

Is anyone going to reveal who Barbara's present sources are?

[sonshineonme]

Sometimes people take alliances with someone for primary reasons other then truth or principal (though they may be part of an supposed alliance).

That is the danger in going by appearances or what is seen, assuming that it means such and such (or the obvious). It's not always as it appears, and that has been the constant thread through this whole mess.

Part of why Danny knew he could be successful in leading people to think something horrible about Linda without coming right out with it, or showing whatever proof he says exists, is that he knew he only had to act and say things in a particular way, and the people would do the rest in their minds. The problem is, after time, people no longer trust their own assumptions, and have reason to seriously doubt what was implied before them. Because of this type of "telling what happened", people now either don't care anymore, want to see the evidence, or chose to believe something no matter what without anything to support it.

Human nature...you can always tap into a type of crowd to accomplish whatever you want to. Just find the right crowd (or type) and you got it made - at least for a while until they switch, which often happens with a crowd like this.

Well, Mr Joy, I came to that conclusion because Barbara Kerr has always claimed to be on Linda's side and what she found out in Norway surprised and disappointed her.  So how did you come to the conclusion that I am on "Mouse Brenda's"side?  I just want to know the truth like everyone else here.
I was recently rebaptized when all this happened and it was very upsetting to me what Danny did to Linda.  I personally do not believe in spiritual adultry and feel that Danny contrived to get the divorce.  I quit sending 3ABN donations after that.  So ,Mr Joy, throw your darts somewhere else.

[Jack Indabocks]

I could be wrong, but I think Danny convinced Barbara that Linda was wrong and he was right, and then later Barbara switched to Linda\'s side. That\'s how I remember the story.

I remember it that way too which makes the letter from her mother very curious and interesting.

The whole thing is a bit complex. Who are Barbara\'s present sources, and are they reliable?

Perhaps you know, I didn\'t see the word \"sources\". Why would she not explain as she previously seemed to have no problem doing so? She had no problem writing some very stout words against Danny Shelton, so I cannot believe it could be anything about him that would be surprising or disappointing to her. If she was wrong, she should correct it. If she wasn\'t it seems she should clarify what her mother meant and was talking about, and not leave people to surmise or speculate on her words, especially if they lead others to believe a lie.

I also think that those here who are representing that they know all about this and are offering arguments without making what they are talking about known are not being upfront or transparent. I have never liked games. (Am I alone here?)

The one thing that is concrete is that Danny in the last half of July 2004 did not know whether Linda had committed fornication or not, for he wrote her that letter that said that she was about to, IF she hadn\'t already.

So if Brenda\'s story back then was what it is today, why would Danny have said IF in that letter? That\'s what doesn\'t make sense to me.

This is the one thing I would have to disagree with you about here. I can\'t see that as concrete, for if that is what Danny meant in only the one letter, then it makes everything else he said and wrote, both before and since then, null and void. That doesn\'t make sense to me.

My understanding is that the email and words you refer to were what is commonly known as, and referred to as, a \"hypothetical argument\" That is the only way I can logically understand it when considering everything else he has said about this as that is all consistent.

This is just one view from the bleachers.

[Jack Indabocks]

Sometimes people take alliances with someone for primary reasons other then truth or principal (though they may be part of an supposed alliance).

That is the danger in going by appearances or what is seen, assuming that it means such and such (or the obvious). It\\\'s not always as it appears, and that has been the constant thread through this whole mess.

Part of why Danny knew he could be successful in leading people to think something horrible about Linda without coming right out with it, or showing whatever proof he says exists, is that he knew he only had to act and say things in a particular way, and the people would do the rest in their minds. The problem is, after time, people no longer trust their own assumptions, and have reason to seriously doubt what was implied before them. Because of this type of \\\"telling what happened\\\", people now either don\\\'t care anymore, want to see the evidence, or chose to believe something no matter what without anything to support it.

Human nature...you can always tap into a type of crowd to accomplish whatever you want to. Just find the right crowd (or type) and you got it made - at least for a while until they switch, which often happens with a crowd like this.

Well, Mr Joy, I came to that conclusion because Barbara Kerr has always claimed to be on Linda\\\'s side and what she found out in Norway surprised and disappointed her.  So how did you come to the conclusion that I am on \\\"Mouse Brenda\\\'s\\\"side?  I just want to know the truth like everyone else here.
I was recently rebaptized when all this happened and it was very upsetting to me what Danny did to Linda.  I personally do not believe in spiritual adultry and feel that Danny contrived to get the divorce.  I quit sending 3ABN donations after that.  So ,Mr Joy, throw your darts somewhere else.

Interesting perspective SSOM.

Sometimes, is not always, or even this time.

How do you know what Danny Sheltons reasons are, or were?

How do we determine the facts here?

I am just asking.

[Maxey]

If I am reading between the lines correctly, it sounds as though Barbara found out that Linda and the doctor really did have an affair after all.  Please correct me if I am wrong as many of us have also been praying to know the truth.  But please don't leave it up in the air for speculation.  You can see the conclusion that we may come to in reading that she found something out and that she was disturbed and disappointed.   

I'm with you countrymouse.  I am unaware of any specifics mentioned here or anywhere.  It does appear that some do know what Barbara is referencing and are making subtle and not so subtle efforts to impugn her integrity or her sources, if there are any.

I can’t imagine why they would go to this effort unless what Barbara has to say is very damaging to their position.  Really strange stuff.

[Child_of_God]

Jack indaboocks, I am glad to see you pop your head up with the voice of reason in your last two posts above. Thank you.

[Bob Pickle]

I could be wrong, but I think Danny convinced Barbara that Linda was wrong and he was right, and then later Barbara switched to Linda\'s side. That\'s how I remember the story.

I remember it that way too which makes the letter from her mother very curious and interesting.

The whole thing is a bit complex. Who are Barbara\'s present sources, and are they reliable?

Perhaps you know, I didn\'t see the word \"sources\". Why would she not explain as she previously seemed to have no problem doing so? She had no problem writing some very stout words against Danny Shelton, so I cannot believe it could be anything about him that would be surprising or disappointing to her. If she was wrong, she should correct it. If she wasn\'t it seems she should clarify what her mother meant and was talking about, and not leave people to surmise or speculate on her words, especially if they lead others to believe a lie.

I also think that those here who are representing that they know all about this and are offering arguments without making what they are talking about known are not being upfront or transparent. I have never liked games. (Am I alone here?)

The one thing that is concrete is that Danny in the last half of July 2004 did not know whether Linda had committed fornication or not, for he wrote her that letter that said that she was about to, IF she hadn\'t already.

So if Brenda\'s story back then was what it is today, why would Danny have said IF in that letter? That\'s what doesn\'t make sense to me.

This is the one thing I would have to disagree with you about here. I can\'t see that as concrete, for if that is what Danny meant in only the one letter, then it makes everything else he said and wrote, both before and since then, null and void. That doesn\'t make sense to me.

My understanding is that the email and words you refer to were what is commonly known as, and referred to as, a \"hypothetical argument\" That is the only way I can logically understand it when considering everything else he has said about this as that is all consistent.

This is just one view from the bleachers.

Jack, whatever you are doing that is putting in those slashes, could you stop?

If Barbara wants to discuss her sources, she can, but I will not.

Danny said what he said. He said, "IF." What evidence do you know of that linda committed fornication prior to Danny writing that letter?

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Well, Mr Joy, I came to that conclusion because Barbara Kerr has always claimed to be on Linda's side and what she found out in Norway surprised and disappointed her.  So how did you come to the conclusion that I am on "Mouse Brenda's"side?  I just want to know the truth like everyone else here.
I was recently rebaptized when all this happened and it was very upsetting to me what Danny did to Linda.  I personally do not believe in spiritual adultry and feel that Danny contrived to get the divorce.  I quit sending 3ABN donations after that.  So ,Mr Joy, throw your darts somewhere else.

Well, countrymouse, it is a well known fact that Barbara Kerr has vascilated on this issue over the years. Since the great dissappointment came while she was being treated iin Norway, three years after the divorce, perhaps you should look in that corner and not pretentiously propose that it in any way relates to an affair.

The truth is well known and only the most oblivious blind mouse would still be looking for the truth in regards to the question Linda of having an affair with the Dr in 2004. Not even Danny has asserted that premise and that makes you less than an honest assessor.

And I will throw darts at any balloon that prevaricates ludicrousity!!! Even with a countymouse in it.

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Jack Indabocks]

I could be wrong, but I think Danny convinced Barbara that Linda was wrong and he was right, and then later Barbara switched to Linda\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s side. That\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s how I remember the story.

I remember it that way too which makes the letter from her mother very curious and interesting.

The whole thing is a bit complex. Who are Barbara\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s present sources, and are they reliable?

Perhaps you know, I didn\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t see the word \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"sources\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\". Why would she not explain as she previously seemed to have no problem doing so? She had no problem writing some very stout words against Danny Shelton, so I cannot believe it could be anything about him that would be surprising or disappointing to her. If she was wrong, she should correct it. If she wasn\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t it seems she should clarify what her mother meant and was talking about, and not leave people to surmise or speculate on her words, especially if they lead others to believe a lie.

I also think that those here who are representing that they know all about this and are offering arguments without making what they are talking about known are not being upfront or transparent. I have never liked games. (Am I alone here?)

The one thing that is concrete is that Danny in the last half of July 2004 did not know whether Linda had committed fornication or not, for he wrote her that letter that said that she was about to, IF she had not already.

So if Brendas story back then was what it is today, why would Danny have said IF in that letter? Thats what doesn\\\'t make sense to me.

This is the one thing I would have to disagree with you about here. I cant see that as concrete, for if that is what Danny meant in only the one letter, then it makes everything else he said and wrote, both before and since then, null and void. That doesn\\\'t make sense to me.

My understanding is that the email and words you refer to were what is commonly known as, and referred to as, a \\\"hypothetical argument\\\" That is the only way I can logically understand it when considering everything else he has said about this as that is all consistent.

This is just one view from the bleachers.

Jack, whatever you are doing that is putting in those slashes, could you stop?

I am not consciously or knowingly doing anything, all the slashing going on appears to be being done on this forum. In addition slashes seem to be being added when apostrophes and quotes are used.

If Barbara wants to discuss her sources, she can, but I will not.

The why in God\'s name were her sources even mentioned here and mailigned?

I do not recall asking you or any other to. I just said I don\\\'t see any sources mentioned. I think it strange that B. Kerr is being maligned and her sources are being discredited here, when she has not said a word and neither she or her mother has mentioned any sources.

That appears questionable to me and suspicious.

Danny said what he said. He said, IF What evidence do you know of that linda committed fornication prior to Danny writing that letter?

I did not mention evidence that Linda committed fornication, nor do I have evidence to give regarding that.

Danny said IF?

ok, no argument here. He said, IF.

I thought you previously claimed you were taking no stance regarding Linda or about anything she claimed, and were not on her team or defending her?

Was I wrong?

I just think if one email from Danny saying, IF, is all you have to justify changing your stance, then that is truly pathetic.

[Jack Indabocks]

Well, Mr Joy, I came to that conclusion because Barbara Kerr has always claimed to be on Linda\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s side and what she found out in Norway surprised and disappointed her.  So how did you come to the conclusion that I am on \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"Mouse Brenda\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"side?  I just want to know the truth like everyone else here.
I was recently rebaptized when all this happened and it was very upsetting to me what Danny did to Linda.  I personally do not believe in spiritual adultry and feel that Danny contrived to get the divorce.  I quit sending 3ABN donations after that.  So ,Mr Joy, throw your darts somewhere else.

Well, countrymouse, it is a well known fact that Barbara Kerr has vascilated on this issue over the years. Since the great dissappointment came while she was being treated iin Norway, three years after the divorce, perhaps you should look in that corner and not pretentiously propose that it in any way relates to an affair.

The truth is well known and only the most oblivious blind mouse would still be looking for the truth in regards to the question Linda of having an affair with the Dr in 2004. Not even Danny has asserted that premise and that makes you less than an honest assessor.

And I will throw darts at any balloon that prevaricates ludicrousity!!! Even with a countymouse in it.

Gailon Arthur Joy

So, is what you are saying this?

First she believed Danny

Next she talked to Linda, heard her story, and believed her

And now her mother has claimed she has discovered evidence which both surprised and disappointed her, which  has not been publicly revealed-- although you know what it is and  will throw darts at anyone who questions what you or Linda has previously claimed , or any who gives credence to BKs testimony, or questions yours because of this -- but you will not reveal why, or submit all you know to be considered and weighed by others?

If so, that does not appear good Gailon. In fact it stinks to high heaven.

[Daryl Fawcett]

This is a test post you the following words: 

doesn't
didn't
Linda's
that's
"test phrase"

As they are working OK when I do it, something is obviously being used by Jack to cause this to happen.

[Artiste]

This is a test post you the following words: 

doesn't
didn't
Linda's
that's
"test phrase"

As they are working OK when I do it, something is obviously being used by Jack to cause this to happen.

Is Jack possibly using something like a free web proxy that would cause it?.

[Bob Pickle]

This is a test post you the following words: 

doesn't
didn't
Linda's
that's
"test phrase"

As they are working OK when I do it, something is obviously being used by Jack to cause this to happen.

Is Jack possibly using something like a free web proxy that would cause it?.

That's what I think. What's he scared of?

[JoAnn]

I arrived home from North Dakota a few days ago and opened up Advent Talk.  Much to my dismay, I found all the "surmising" and "assuming" regarding the letter I wrote about Barbara.  I am a retired Life Insurance agent and many years ago, my  supervisor told me never to assume anything because those who do, are usually wrong and it makes everyone look bad.  Plainly speaking, your assumptions are wrong.

For those who asked, I'll tell you why Barbara did not write the letter herself.  She, like Linda, does not go on any forum any more, nor has she since she came home from Norway and tried to write.  Reading all the "stuff" people wrote was just too upsetting for her and her health could not take it.  Over the past year, I would go on BSDA and see that there were some people sincerely asking about her and I'd relay that on, letting her know she did have many friends genuinely concerned about her health and how she was doing. 

We discussed how best to let those who love her know she was much better and we decided that I would be the one to write the letter.  I posted it on BSDA and, (this is for you, Sister) I decided to also post it on Advent Talk (knowing many of her friends were also reading here) ~ THEN, I informed Barbara on the following day of what I had done.  This was NOT about playing games, Sister. Barbara has never gone to Advent Talk and, as I said before, she also no longer visits BSDA.

 Sorry Grammie T, Barbara won't be coming on this forum or any other.  I am Barbara's mother and thank you for the apology.  Like I said in the letter; God, in His own time, will reveal what He wants known.  The purpose of my letter was to let those who wanted to know 'why' Barbara hadn't written sooner ~ the "Why" - and that she is doing fine.  I also want to let you "naysayers" know that I keep in contact with Linda and talk to her on the phone, the last time being just two weeks ago.  We see each other when our paths cross.

I want to thank those of you (Grandmad, Servant, Ian, Habanero, Fran and many others) for your kindness shown to Barbara and who have been appreciative for the update.  For those who don't know, you may go to BSDA and open the Praise and Testmony thread where you will find Barbara's 'Love Letter From Norway'.  To read her "Open Letter" explaining her involvement with 3ABN, click on 3ABN (Links and Resources) here on Advent Talk.

Barbara has the following statement by H.M.S. Richards, Sr. posted in her office and around her house so she can read it readily throughout the day.  Perhaps everyone should read it at least once a day to keep focused on what is truly important in life!!

Keep At Your Work
 

"The Lord has given to every man his work.  It is his business to do it and the devil's business to hinder him if he can.  So, surely as God has given you a work to do, Satan will try to hinder you.  He may present other things more promising.  He may allure you by worldly prospects.  He may assult you with slander, torment you with false accusations, set you to work defending your character, employ pious persons to lie about you, editors to assail you, and excellent men to slander you.  You may have Pilate and Herod, Annas and Caiaphas all combined against you, and Judas standing by ready to sell you for thirty pieces of silver; and you may wonder why all those things come to you.  Can you not see that the whole thing is brought about through the craft of the devil to draw you off from your work and hinder your obedience to God?

Keep about your work.  Do not flinch because the lion roars, do not stop to stone the devil's dogs; do not fool away your time chasing the devil's rabbits.  Do your work.  Let liars lie, let sectarians quarrel, let corporations resolve, let editors publish, let the devil do his worst; but see to it that nothing hinders you from fulfilling the work that God has given you.

He has not sent you to make money.  He has not commanded you to get rich.  He has never bidden you to defend your character.  He has not set you at work to contradict falsehood which Satan and his servants may start to peddle.  If you do these things, you will do nothing else; you will be at work for yourself and not for the Lord.

Keep about your work.  Let your AIM be as steady as a star.  Let the world brawl and bubble.  You may be assaulted, wronged, insulted, slandered, wounded and rejected; you may be abused by foes, forsaken by friends, and despised and rejected of men, but see to it with steadfast determination, with unfaltering zeal, that you pursue the great purpose of your life and object of your being, until at last you can say, 'I have finished the work which Thou gavest me to do.'  By: H.M.S. Richards, Sr., Founder of Voice of Prophecy.

Barbara is determined to be about her Lord's work.  She is happy, content and full of joy.  She loves people and is doing all she can to fulfill the covenant she made with God when she was dying of Crohn's Disease ~ that if He would spare her life, she would spend the rest of her life helping people to never get as sick as she was.  God honored that prayer and is blessing her beyond measure.  I am thankful I have such a Godly daughter who loves Jesus with all her heart!

I pray for God's blessings on all of you.
Jo Ann

[Fran]

JoAnn;

Thank you so much for your post.  As a mother, I understand what it is like to have hurting children!  I believe God will bless in any ministry she is led to lead!  Her illness was very serious.  God is so good.  When things happen to our health, it is such a debilitating time.  I know.

I will be praying for you both.  Pray for us as well.  May the Lord be ever near to you both.

Fran