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[Sister]

Interesting statement, anyman.

You (or any other of your people behind this username) wouldn't have ever initiated any of this type of  securing of private information on others yourselves, would you have?

I really hate to be disappointing so many of you, but no, I haven't. Any information I have garnered has come from publications readily available on line, from professional medical boards, listings of grant/investment activities, and just plain 411.com and the admissions of those writing. There has been no need to sink to levels of illegality. So sorry to disappoint you, but it's up to you . . . believe it or not . . . I am not going to try to convince you. As far as your dastardly insinuation that there is more than one person posting under this user name - again, you couldn't be more wrong, just me, one "anyman" . . .

Now, how about dealing with the conversation as it is evolving instead of trying to play the distraction/redirection game?

 

[Artiste]

Interesting statement, anyman.

You (or any other of your people behind this username) wouldn't have ever initiated any of this type of  securing of private information on others yourselves, would you have?

I really hate to be disappointing so many of you, but no, I haven't. Any information I have garnered has come from publications readily available on line, from professional medical boards, listings of grant/investment activities, and just plain 411.com and the admissions of those writing. There has been no need to sink to levels of illegality. So sorry to disappoint you, but it's up to you . . . believe it or not . . . I am not going to try to convince you. As far as your dastardly insinuation that there is more than one person posting under this user name - again, you couldn't be more wrong, just me, one "anyman" . . .

Now, how about dealing with the conversation as it is evolving instead of trying to play the distraction/redirection game?

As for the "dastardly insinuation", there have been several that have noted a recent change in ways of wording sentences, grammer, etc.

As for the rest of the information you have been garnering, you and/or those in your employ must have been busy...glad you think we are so important.   

[Artiste]

You know, at first I was going to say, "No you haven't." but thought it through a little bit more and realized that the answer is "Yes." but not in the way >you would like< it to be. The nerve is that you are given to devious methods of gaining information, much like your leaders and that is rather appalling.

Another interesting observation, anyman.  You are sure this is not transference on your part, as Fran was referring to?

Are you saying that Garwin McNeilus never helped 3ABN leaders put wiretaps on people?

[GrandmaNettie]

Artiste, I was rather surprised at the following three Replies that were made to anyman today...

The fact of the matter is this - there is no legal way for you to secure private information (name, phone number, email address outside of those used in the eBay environment). You are claiming to have secured personal identification and sharing that with the IRS and giving them a way to connect user ID's with personal identities. You also have connected an eBay user ID with a personal identity which is a clear violation of the eBay rules:

Interesting statement, anyman.

You (or any other of your people behind this username) wouldn't have ever initiated any of this type of  securing of private information on others yourselves, would you have?

You know, at first I was going to say, "No you haven't." but thought it through a little bit more and realized that the answer is "Yes." but not in the way >you would like< it to be. The nerve is that you are given to devious methods of gaining information, much like your leaders and that is rather appalling.

Another interesting observation, anyman.  You are sure this is not transference on your part, as Fran was referring to?

Are you saying that Garwin McNeilus never helped 3ABN leaders put wiretaps on people?

Interesting statement, anyman.

You (or any other of your people behind this username) wouldn't have ever initiated any of this type of  securing of private information on others yourselves, would you have?

I really hate to be disappointing so many of you, but no, I haven't. Any information I have garnered has come from publications readily available on line, from professional medical boards, listings of grant/investment activities, and just plain 411.com and the admissions of those writing. There has been no need to sink to levels of illegality. So sorry to disappoint you, but it's up to you . . . believe it or not . . . I am not going to try to convince you. As far as your dastardly insinuation that there is more than one person posting under this user name - again, you couldn't be more wrong, just me, one "anyman" . . .

Now, how about dealing with the conversation as it is evolving instead of trying to play the distraction/redirection game?

As for the "dastardly insinuation", there have been several that have noted a recent change in ways of wording sentences, grammer, etc.

As for the rest of the information you have been garnering, you and/or those in your employ must have been busy...glad you think we are so important.   

Artiste, I am bringing the following quote to you in your position as Artiste, the member,  and not as Artiste, the moderator. Please be clear that I am not breaking the rule about discussing moderator actions.  What you have said to anyman in the three posts I have quoted above clearly appear to be indirectly inferring that anyman is someone, Garwin or Danny perhaps, who has ordered surveilance.  Just want to remind you of a decree that was posted about a week ago and caused Sam to receive a time out:

ADMIN HAT ON

WARNING:  There will be no references to member's identities, either directly or indirectly, on the Forum.

ADMIN HAT OFF

ADMIN NOTE:  Sam is now under a 48 hour Posting Ban for the above action.  Any further infraction of the same type by Sam will result in an immediate 7 day ban for him.

[Sam]

The fact of the matter is this - there is no legal way for you to secure private information (name, phone number, email address outside of those used in the eBay environment). You are claiming to have secured personal identification and sharing that with the IRS and giving them a way to connect user IDs with personal identities. You also have connected an eBay user ID with a personal identity which is a clear violation of the eBay rules:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/everyone-ov.html

Rules about identity

Member identity is a building block of the eBay Community. eBay treats member identity with great respect. eBay expects Community members to treat member identity with the same level of respect.

eBay members:

    *Must be at least 18 years old.
    *Cannot misrepresent their identities.
    *Must always provide valid and complete contact information and must always have a valid email address.
    *Cannot publish the contact information of other members in an online public area.
    *Must choose their User ID according to eBay rules.

Publishing contact information of another eBay member in any online public area is not permitted. If you experience a violation of this policy, please report it using the Customer Support link at the bottom of this page. When reporting, please be sure to send a copy of the post with the subject line.

Violation of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:

    *Listing cancellation
    *Limits on account privileges
    *Account suspension
    *Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled (sic) listings
    *Loss of PowerSeller status

And according the site, the only reasons that eBay would share personal information:

We may disclose personal information to respond to legal requirements, enforce our policies, respond to claims that a listing or other content violates the rights of others, or protect any one's rights, property, or safety.

So how are you gaining access to identity information that allows you to connect user IDs with personal identities? It would seem that there is no other way unless it is illegal. Now, if it is illegal, that would make it a Federal crime under the developing laws surrounding cyber-crimes. After carefully reading the eBay privacy policy and the rules about Rules about general member conduct I do not see any legal way for you to have arrived at a connection between a user ID and a personal identity . . . certainly eBay would not help you do that as it would put them in a major legal bind. eBay has built its reputation on protecting user information including facilitating any disagreements between sellers and buyers. I queried a friend who has a relative who does a large amount of activity on eBay and their response was:

I talked with [him] about how eBay works. He deals with them all the time (buying and selling) and he said they NEVER give out any personal information. He said eBay themselves are the "go-between" if there are problems. I asked him if they give out email addresses and he said NO! People will email each other from eBay and I don't know how they do it, but he said eBay is very tight on how they run.

As a side note, it is interesting that you continue to paint yourself as a nobody and yet claim that the Chance's know you, know where you are, that you have been the subject of all kinds of surveillance and trespass of personal property, you proudly toot your own horn whenever you can claiming to be the reason the IRS even began to take a look at 3ABN, and now, the powerful IRS is using the "techniques" of a "nobody" who found some way to circumvent eBay's security in order to connect user IDs with personal identities.

When eBay responds to my direct inquiry, in which I included your claim to have helped the IRS connect user IDs with personal identities (verbatim), I will let you know.

I have done nothing illegal.  I have not given any information that was not given to me!  It will be nice talking to eBay.  Will I tell them how I got my information? No. However,  I have really hit a nerve haven't I.  What is there to worry about?   Could it be those 2 Celeron Computers I was talking about?  I believe it is time to return to replying to the policies & procedures that Tammy outlined so completely.

I will be waiting to hear from eBay.  This is going to be really fun.  By the way.  Tammy gave her contact information in previous posts by her and Junebug.  I never did.   

I think you have me mistaken.  I do not commit cyber crime.  I stop it.

Yes Fran you have hit a nerve but not the one you think you have hit.  The point is not about Tammy C and her personal ebay account it is about knowing (as anyman posted them) ebay's rules and regulations and the security they have in place so that no one can get personal information about an ebay member.  And yet, you have personal information. Doesn't matter who it's on...it's the fact that were able to get secure information.  Now you can spin all you want, but I agree with anyman.  There is no way that you could obtain that kind of information legally. No way.  I'm glad you will have fun talking to ebay because after this, I can guarantee there will be plenty of ebay users worried that their accounts can be hacked into and possibly even their identities stolen.

No matter how much you twist and turn this and try to bring it back to 3abn, the fact is, this subject has nothing to do with 3abn and everything to do with you possibly being involved in illegal practices that constitute a federal crime.

[Bob Pickle]

What you have said to anyman in the three posts I have quoted above clearly appear to be indirectly inferring that anyman is someone, Garwin or Danny perhaps, who has ordered surveilance.

I didn't catch that. Are you sure?

[Chrissie]

What you have said to anyman in the three posts I have quoted above clearly appear to be indirectly inferring that anyman is someone, Garwin or Danny perhaps, who has ordered surveilance.

I didn't catch that. Are you sure?

Is that what GrandmaNettie is saying? 

I thought she would be more careful than that. 

[Artiste]

Artiste, I am bringing the following quote to you in your position as Artiste, the member,  and not as Artiste, the moderator. Please be clear that I am not breaking the rule about discussing moderator actions.  What you have said to anyman in the three posts I have quoted above clearly appear to be indirectly inferring that anyman is someone, Garwin or Danny perhaps, who has ordered surveilance. 

GrandmaNettie,

Speaking to you as a member, I will have to say that you are entirely wrong in your suppositions.

But, in any case, it is nice that you are here to defend anyman.

[Fran]

Why is no one speaking back about the 3ABN eBay? 

Could it be they want me to shut up before others reading catch on.  There are other sellers besides 812worden.  There are stores (more than one). 

Why has there been no response about the 2 Celeron Computers that 812worden sold.  They were not the type that was needed to edit media graphics.  What about those video duplicators that also sold because of upgrading to new equipment?

I would like to know about these items that sold,  plus where all the eBay sales feedback is being hidden.  Why all the silence?

[Fran]

I was accused of giving out contact information to 812worden.  All I did was point out it was Tammy Shelton-Chance's eBay account.  I never gave out the contact email either.  The contact is trent_bob@.......

Now, how are they still involved?  Hum.

[Johann]

Some of us are still reading your posts, Fran. Also waiting for the same answers you are waiting for.

[Daryl Fawcett]

I am also reading them and waiting.

[Serendipity]

I was accused of giving out contact information to 812worden.  All I did was point out it was Tammy Shelton-Chance's eBay account.  I never gave out the contact email either.  The contact is trent_bob@.......

Now, how are they still involved?  Hum.

No. You accused of giving out Tammy Chance ebay user id. Because you did that. You asked to tell how you got it because you claim is technique government got from you to use on ebay too.

Now you hinting at contact information.


Sera

[Serendipity]

I am also reading them and waiting.

What you waiting on? Who you waiting on? Will answers come to forum when not asked?

Fran claim she have contact info. Fran claim all know her. Tammy chance know her. 3ABN know her. That what Fran say. Fran claim she have questions. Why Fran not go ask them?

Christians should not be saying bad things about people they don't try to talk to. Is not right.


Sera

[Artiste]

Why is no one speaking back about the 3ABN eBay? 

Could it be they want me to shut up before others reading catch on.  There are other sellers besides 812worden.  There are stores (more than one). 

Why has there been no response about the 2 Celeron Computers that 812worden sold.  They were not the type that was needed to edit media graphics.  What about those video duplicators that also sold because of upgrading to new equipment?

I would like to know about these items that sold,  plus where all the eBay sales feedback is being hidden.  Why all the silence?

Fran, the whole eBay thing is a little confusing to me...maybe because of the complicated reasoning and symbols we have to follow.

Are you saying that 812worden (Tammy Chance) was selling 3ABN property (paid for by donors) on eBay possibly for her own benefit, and there may be others who have done the same?