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[bonnie]

Hello Fran. I have a question for you please. How in the world did you manage to get the e-bay ID of Tammy Shelton? Isn't this personal information? Surely e-bay doesn't give this kind of information out.  I'd like to know your source please.

Oh yes they can. I have had ebay give out my home phone to a ebay bidder. Not sure where Fran obtained it,but not hard to do

Bonnie

[Habanero]

Hello Fran. I have a question for you please. How in the world did you manage to get the e-bay ID of Tammy Shelton? Isn't this personal information? Surely e-bay doesn't give this kind of information out.  I'd like to know your source please.

Tammy Chance

[Snoopy]

Could it be time to subpoena some Ebay records?

Sam & Tammy;

Thank you so much for your information.  If I can get the other questions about 3ABN answered, I will go away once I can read the feedback that was there BEFORE the store name changed.  Yes, it did change.  Maybe Tammy was not aware of the changes, but it did happen.  I watched it all.  The name changed and the feedback was disappearing right before my eyes.

The name changing stopped once I posted that it was happening.  Yes, the names did change!  I was checking the store everyday at the time.  Who could have done that?  Tammy says she didn't do it, so we need to look elsewhere.  Do either of you have any ideas?

[Mary Sue Smith]

Fran, why don't you go ahead and email Mrs. Chance. I'm sure she would be happy to answer any of your questions.

http://www.3abn.org/contact_email.cfm

Click on the above link and then write in the box that you would like to have Mrs. Chance contact you. I am sure someone there can let her know and she would contact you at your email address.

Be sure to let us know what she says.

[Fran]

Fran, why don't you go ahead and email Mrs. Chance. I'm sure she would be happy to answer any of your questions.

http://www.3abn.org/contact_email.cfm

Click on the above link and then write in the box that you would like to have Mrs. Chance contact you. I am sure someone there can let her know and she would contact you at your email address.

Be sure to let us know what she says.

Junebug;

I have no reason to contact Tammy.   Proof comes from what eBay says, not from what Tammy or I say.  They know the facts.  I am just asking questions about a few things I do know.  The answers I have read aren't exactly what I needed to know.  Tammy could contact me; she knows who I am and how to contact me.  However, I would rather she respond right here at AT.

Donna;

Just because you, and several of other people you know, worked for big companies that did not enforce separation of duties, does not mean that it was proper or correct!  Business owners listen up.  If you do not put separation of duties into your procedures, you are setting yourself up to be cheated!   If you leave loopholes, I will guarantee that they will get used to the fullest extent!

[Mary Sue Smith]

Really Fran? You have no reason to contact Mrs. Chance? But you have been accusing her on this thread.  I think you do her a disservice if you do not contact her.  I would expect you would do the Christian thing and contact her to get the truth. If you don't, then I question the accusations you have proclaimed on this thread.   

I still would like my question answered how you got the ebay ID of Tammy Chance: 812worden ?

[Fran]

I still would like my question answered how you got the eBay ID of Tammy Chance: 812worden ?

I have been told I am not allowed to tell how I found the user id's of all the sellers I am aware of.    The IRS has implemented my technique into their cases involving eBay.  They have told me some things I am not allowed to talk about.   I am sorry I can't help you. 

[Sam]

I still would like my question answered how you got the eBay ID of Tammy Chance: 812worden ?

I have been told I am not allowed to tell how I found the user id's of all the sellers I am aware of.    The IRS has implemented my technique into their cases involving eBay.  They have told me some things I am not allowed to talk about.   I am sorry I can't help you. 

I still would like my question answered how you got the eBay ID of Tammy Chance: 812worden ?

I have been told I am not allowed to tell how I found the user id's of all the sellers I am aware of.    The IRS has implemented my technique into their cases involving eBay.  They have told me some things I am not allowed to talk about.   I am sorry I can't help you. 

And...I am on my way to Roswell NM to contact UFO's.  Fran you have to be kidding on several counts.

1. If you were in any way working with the IRS on anything it would be strictly confidential. As in, you couldn't even say that you are not allowed to tell how you find an ebay users ID.

2. If you really can hack into ID's I believe Ebay needs to know ASAP.  No telling what a person could do with that information. They may be able to buy or sell illegally using someone else's ID or hack into their paypal accounts and withdraw money.... the list is endless. Fran, if you truly have this information, you are potentially a dangerous person whose methods and motives should be under close scrutiny.

This leads to motives.  Why would you have been trying to hack ID's to the point that you figured out a system to succeed?  For what purpose? I can't see any kind of good motive for trying something like this.  THis is just the start of many questions that need to be ask and answered by you Fran.
If you can hack into ebay ID's when security is so tight (and it is) what else have you been able to access illegally?  And yes, I believe hacking into ID's would be illegal. In fact, I will email ebay and see what they say about it.

3. You said that Tammy C knows you.  How so?  Why would she?  I have also read where you say the same thing about DannyS. Again, out of thousands of people they have contact with, do business with, answer emails to.... please state specifically how they could possibly know you or anything about you.

I will let you all know what ebay says about hacking into ID's.

[Ozzie]

I will let you all know what ebay says about hacking into ID's.

Sam
Are you delusional again? 

Where did you ever get such ideas that Fran 'hacked' into anything? I can't see any evidence to suggest such a thing. Making such an accusation leaves you wide open to charges for libel etc. You need to mind your mouth and the fingers that type these fantasies. 

[Fran]

Posted by Junebug:

I still would like my question answered how you got the eBay ID of Tammy Chance: 812worden ?

I have been told I am not allowed to tell how I found the user id's of all the sellers I am aware of.    The IRS has implemented my technique into their cases involving eBay.  They have told me some things I am not allowed to talk about.   I am sorry I can't help you. 

And...I am on my way to Roswell NM to contact UFOs.  Fran you have to be kidding on several counts.

1. If you were in any way working with the IRS on anything it would be strictly confidential. As in, you couldn't even say that you are not allowed to tell how you find an eBay users ID.

2. If you really can hack into IDs I believe EBay needs to know ASAP.  No telling what a person could do with that information. They may be able to buy or sell illegally using someone else's ID or hack into their paypal accounts and withdraw money.... the list is endless. Fran, if you truly have this information, you are potentially a dangerous person whose methods and motives should be under close scrutiny.

This leads to motives.  Why would you have been trying to hack IDs to the point that you figured out a system to succeed?  For what purpose? I can't see any kind of good motive for trying something like this.  This is just the start of many questions that need to be ask and answered by you Fran.
If you can hack into eBay IDs when security is so tight (and it is) what else have you been able to access illegally?  And yes, I believe hacking into IDs would be illegal. In fact, I will email eBay and see what they say about it.

3. You said that Tammy C knows you.  How so?  Why would she?  I have also read where you say the same thing about Danny S. Again, out of thousands of people they have contact with, do business with, answer emails to.... please state specifically how they could possibly know you or anything about you.

I will let you all know what eBay says about hacking into IDs.

And...I am on my way to Roswell NM to contact UFOs.  Fran you have to be kidding on several counts.

1. If you were in any way working with the IRS on anything it would be strictly confidential. As in, you couldn't even say that you are not allowed to tell how you find an eBay users ID.

Sam;

If you are on your way to Roswell, NM, you are heading in the wrong direction.  If you are of the opinion I am just "kidding on several counts," that is OK.  I am nobody, and I am not trying to destroy 3ABN.  That is a fact.

I have no clue what the IRS is doing.  I just know they are doing.  I believe everybody knows that. 

2. If you really can hack into IDs I believe eBay needs to know ASAP.  No telling what a person could do with that information. They may be able to buy or sell illegally using someone else's ID or hack into their paypal accounts and withdraw money.... the list is endless. Fran, if you truly have this information, you are potentially a dangerous person whose methods and motives should be under close scrutiny.

This leads to motives.  Why would you have been trying to hack IDs to the point that you figured out a system to succeed?  For what purpose? I can't see any kind of good motive for trying something like this.  This is just the start of many questions that need to be ask and answered by you Fran.

If you can hack into eBay IDs when security is so tight (and it is) what else have you been able to access illegally?  And yes, I believe hacking into IDs would be illegal. In fact, I will email eBay and see what they say about it.

Sam;

Boy, this is a funny one!  Wow!  Do you have an eBay account?  If you do, you know this is impossible!  Get real!  My motives are pure.  I am looking for feedback for 3ABN sales before the store opened.  Pure and simple.

Why is it people falsely accuse other?  Many times it is because they themselves are hacking.  My computer has been hacked and destroyed several times.  I have been under surveillance.  I have had people peeping into my windows.  My phone has been tapped.  My email has been hacked.  I have never done any of those things.

I believe I have hit a point of contention with you.  Why are you saying these things about me?  This is entirely what someone from 3ABN has done to me.  Is this a case of transference?  I believe so. 

3. You said that Tammy C knows you.  How so?  Why would she?  I have also read where you say the same thing about Danny S. Again, out of thousands of people they have contact with, do business with, answer emails to.... please state specifically how they could possibly know you or anything about you.

I will let you all know what eBay says about hacking into IDs.

This is some serious phishing here!  Take my word for it, they are well aware of who and where I am.  What have I said that has you guys so riled?  Did I speak the truth?
I think that is the case.

By the way, I saw Bruce & Tammy Chance on 3ABN asking people to bring their donations to the 3ABN Booth at the upcoming ASI Convention.  If you donate.  Please get an IRS form from 3ABN stating the description of the item.  These forms should be numbered to make sure all numbers are accounted for at the end of the week end.  This is called a control number.

3ABN is not allowed to appraise the value of anything for the donor.  It is the donors responsibility to asses the value of the item/s donated.  3ABN should keep 2 copy of what they give you and put it with your donation, and the other goes to accounting. 

I have to say the "Damage Control" is alive and well.

3ABN should be advised by their CFO as to what happens once ASI is over.  It would be nice to hear how they handle the entry of the asset and the sale of the asset.  Since they have created a "Donation Center"  I wonder if they properly appraise the value of these assets.  3ABN has had a serious problem assessing the value of assets.  Have they changed, or is it the same old way as before, but just under a new name.

[anyman]

The fact of the matter is this - there is no legal way for you to secure private information (name, phone number, email address outside of those used in the eBay environment). You are claiming to have secured personal identification and sharing that with the IRS and giving them a way to connect user ID's with personal identities. You also have connected an eBay user ID with a personal identity which is a clear violation of the eBay rules:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/everyone-ov.html

Rules about identity

Member identity is a building block of the eBay Community. eBay treats member identity with great respect. eBay expects Community members to treat member identity with the same level of respect.

eBay members:

    *Must be at least 18 years old.
    *Cannot misrepresent their identities.
    *Must always provide valid and complete contact information and must always have a valid email address.
    *Cannot publish the contact information of other members in an online public area.
    *Must choose their User ID according to eBay rules.

Publishing contact information of another eBay member in any online public area is not permitted. If you experience a violation of this policy, please report it using the Customer Support link at the bottom of this page. When reporting, please be sure to send a copy of the post with the subject line.

Violation of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:

    *Listing cancellation
    *Limits on account privileges
    *Account suspension
    *Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled (sic) listings
    *Loss of PowerSeller status

And according the site, the only reasons that eBay would share personal information:

We may disclose personal information to respond to legal requirements, enforce our policies, respond to claims that a listing or other content violates the rights of others, or protect anyone's rights, property, or safety.

So how are you gaining access to identity information that allows you to connect user ID's with personal identities? It would seem that there is no other way unless it is illegal. Now, if it is illegal, that would make it a Federal crime under the developing laws surrounding cyber-crimes. After carefully reading the eBay privacy policy and the rules about Rules about general member conduct I do not see any legal way for you to have arrived at a connection between a user ID and a personal identity . . . certainly eBay would not help you do that as it would put them in a major legal bind. eBay has built its reputation on protecting user information including facilitating any disagreements between sellers and buyers. I queried a friend who has a relative who does a large amount of activity on eBay and their response was:

I talked with [him] about how eBay works. He deals with them all the time (buying and selling) and he said they NEVER give out any personal information. He said eBay themselves are the "go-between" if there are problems. I asked him if they give out email addresses and he said NO! People will email each other from eBay and I don't know how they do it, but he said eBay is very tight on how they run.

As a side note, it is interesting that you continue to paint yourself as a nobody and yet claim that the Chance's know you, know where you are, that you have been the subject of all kinds of surveillance and trespass of personal property, you proudly toot your own horn whenever you can claiming to be the reason the IRS even began to take a look at 3ABN, and now, the powerful IRS is using the "techniques" of a "nobody" who found some way to circumvent eBay's security in order to connect user ID's with personal identities.

When eBay responds to my direct inquiry, in which I included your claim to have helped the IRS connect user ID's with personal identities (verbatim), I will let you know.

[Artiste]

The fact of the matter is this - there is no legal way for you to secure private information (name, phone number, email address outside of those used in the eBay environment). You are claiming to have secured personal identification and sharing that with the IRS and giving them a way to connect user ID's with personal identities. You also have connected an eBay user ID with a personal identity which is a clear violation of the eBay rules:

Interesting statement, anyman.

You (or any other of your people behind this username) wouldn't have ever initiated any of this type of  securing of private information on others yourselves, would you have?

[Fran]

The fact of the matter is this - there is no legal way for you to secure private information (name, phone number, email address outside of those used in the eBay environment). You are claiming to have secured personal identification and sharing that with the IRS and giving them a way to connect user IDs with personal identities. You also have connected an eBay user ID with a personal identity which is a clear violation of the eBay rules:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/everyone-ov.html

Rules about identity

Member identity is a building block of the eBay Community. eBay treats member identity with great respect. eBay expects Community members to treat member identity with the same level of respect.

eBay members:

    *Must be at least 18 years old.
    *Cannot misrepresent their identities.
    *Must always provide valid and complete contact information and must always have a valid email address.
    *Cannot publish the contact information of other members in an online public area.
    *Must choose their User ID according to eBay rules.

Publishing contact information of another eBay member in any online public area is not permitted. If you experience a violation of this policy, please report it using the Customer Support link at the bottom of this page. When reporting, please be sure to send a copy of the post with the subject line.

Violation of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:

    *Listing cancellation
    *Limits on account privileges
    *Account suspension
    *Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled (sic) listings
    *Loss of PowerSeller status

And according the site, the only reasons that eBay would share personal information:

We may disclose personal information to respond to legal requirements, enforce our policies, respond to claims that a listing or other content violates the rights of others, or protect any one's rights, property, or safety.

So how are you gaining access to identity information that allows you to connect user IDs with personal identities? It would seem that there is no other way unless it is illegal. Now, if it is illegal, that would make it a Federal crime under the developing laws surrounding cyber-crimes. After carefully reading the eBay privacy policy and the rules about Rules about general member conduct I do not see any legal way for you to have arrived at a connection between a user ID and a personal identity . . . certainly eBay would not help you do that as it would put them in a major legal bind. eBay has built its reputation on protecting user information including facilitating any disagreements between sellers and buyers. I queried a friend who has a relative who does a large amount of activity on eBay and their response was:

I talked with [him] about how eBay works. He deals with them all the time (buying and selling) and he said they NEVER give out any personal information. He said eBay themselves are the "go-between" if there are problems. I asked him if they give out email addresses and he said NO! People will email each other from eBay and I don't know how they do it, but he said eBay is very tight on how they run.

As a side note, it is interesting that you continue to paint yourself as a nobody and yet claim that the Chance's know you, know where you are, that you have been the subject of all kinds of surveillance and trespass of personal property, you proudly toot your own horn whenever you can claiming to be the reason the IRS even began to take a look at 3ABN, and now, the powerful IRS is using the "techniques" of a "nobody" who found some way to circumvent eBay's security in order to connect user IDs with personal identities.

When eBay responds to my direct inquiry, in which I included your claim to have helped the IRS connect user IDs with personal identities (verbatim), I will let you know.

I have done nothing illegal.  I have not given any information that was not given to me!  It will be nice talking to eBay.  Will I tell them how I got my information? No. However,  I have really hit a nerve haven't I.  What is there to worry about?  Could it be those 2 Celeron Computers I was talking about?  I believe it is time to return to replying to the policies & procedures that Tammy outlined so completely.

I will be waiting to hear from eBay.  This is going to be really fun.  By the way.  Tammy gave her contact information in previous posts by her and Junebug.  I never did.   

I think you have me mistaken.  I do not commit cyber crime.  I stop it.

[anyman]

Interesting statement, anyman.

You (or any other of your people behind this username) wouldn't have ever initiated any of this type of  securing of private information on others yourselves, would you have?

I really hate to be disappointing so many of you, but no, I haven't. Any information I have garnered has come from publications readily available on line, from professional medical boards, listings of grant/investment activities, and just plain 411.com and the admissions of those writing. There has been no need to sink to levels of illegality. So sorry to disappoint you, but it's up to you . . . believe it or not . . . I am not going to try to convince you. As far as your dastardly insinuation that there is more than one person posting under this user name - again, you couldn't be more wrong, just me, one "anyman" . . .

Now, how about dealing with the conversation as it is evolving instead of trying to play the distraction/redirection game?

[anyman]

I have done nothing illegal.  I have not given any information that was not given to me!  It will be nice talking to eBay.  Will I tell them how I got my information? No. However,  I have really hit a nerve haven't I.  What is there to worry about?  Could it be those 2 Celeron Computers I was talking about?  I believe it is time to return to replying to the policies & procedures that Tammy outlined so completely.

I will be waiting to hear from eBay.  This is going to be really fun.  By the way.  Tammy gave her contact information in previous posts by her and Junebug.  I never did.   

I think you have me mistaken.  I do not commit cyber crime.  I stop it.

You know, at first I was going to say, "No you haven't." but thought it through a little bit more and realized that the answer is "Yes." but not in the way >you would like< it to be. The nerve is that you are given to devious methods of gaining information, much like your leaders and that is rather appalling.

No "opps" involved as Junebug gave contact information for Tammy Chance - you are the one who connected the information to Tammy Chances eBay ID when you gave that information out. You knew you were doing that, it wasn't an accident and certainly isn't Junebug's fault in any way, shape or form.