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[Fran]

By now, I am sure everyone has noticed that Tammy's comments about never having a store, have been taken off of the 3ABN Defended site.

However, there is one other item they will probably remove soon.

Q. When did you begin using PayPal?  Was it because of something you read on Club Adventist?

A. lol, We began using PayPal in 2003. I never heard of Club Adventist until about 8 or 9 months ago and certainly have never been there.

This is not correct.  They started using PayPal in 2005.  All of their sellers were required to use PayPal, but not 3ABN eBay.  After I had a very detailed post about merchant accounts, credit card machines and how no one really knows whose account is on the credit card machine.

Maybe I need to go over that post I had over on CA.  That is when 3ABN started using PayPal.  It most definitely was NOT in 2003 as it says above.  Will they remove this from 3ABN Defended also?

Isn't it strange that Tammy changed her eBay ID on June 18, 2008.  That is when this thread was going strong.  Follow the dates back to the 16th and follow all the posts about eBay rules.

Sam;

Sometimes you just can't go by what people say.  Tammy told you she has Never had a store, but she did.  Now, did she have more than one store?

There was a Three Angels Clothing ... ... ... ...

Where did all the feedback go?

This is what happened when the name changes.  It is how 3ABN lost their feed back.  Why would you WANT to get rid of feedback?  Is it because we don't want prying eyes to see what was sold or bought or who got the money?  Why do they NOT want that?  Is it because they have something to hide?

[Child_of_God]

Readers, if you go to 3ABN Defended and look at the post made on June 16 under the subject Straight Answers to EBay Questions you will find the truth that was spoken in error here.

[Fran]

Readers, if you go to 3ABN Defended and look at the post made on June 16 under the subject Straight Answers to EBay Questions you will find the truth that was spoken in error here.

When I made my post that the message had been removed.  It was not there.  Now it is.  The proof is below.  I had to put the print out here in case things change again.  Below you will see all posts under eBay the were posted on June 16, 2008.  This is a copy of of the times all posts were made.  These are in the order from 3ABN Defended and the time they posted.

Posted in this order.

1:29 am
1:31 am
5:10 pm
1:25 am


Do you see what I see?  How can a post that was the first post on June 16 at 1:25 AM be posted after the post at 5:10 PM?  It cant.  The first post made on June 16 was removed, then put back in at the wrong place..

Proof was also posted that Tammy did have a store named Tammy's Variety Outlet.  You can find the PDF files here at Adventtalk.com.  Also they did not use PayPal in 2003.  It was in 2005.

This is the proof as of 3:45 AM, June 18, 2008.  Lets see if it gets fixed really fast.  What are they hiding?


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/3abnDefended/message/92


Re: STRAIGHT ANSWERS TO EBAY QUESTIONS
... are ... from ... emails.html> .Message ... complete ... nan_don ... SHOP_W0QQcfidZ3472278QQcftokenZe2ff\ ... eBay ... link ... the ... complete ... (4052 ...

 sam11584    Jun 16, 2008 1:29 am 

Re: STRAIGHT ANSWERS TO EBAY QUESTIONS
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sam11584    Jun 16, 2008 1:31 am  

Re: STRAIGHT ANSWERS TO EBAY QUESTIONS
... originated ... protection ... name ... An ... the ... Angels. ... of ... protection ... &ssPageName=ADME:X:CEM:US:1181> ... this ... originated ... ...  Donna

donna_writes   Jun 16, 2008 5:10 pm  

Re: STRAIGHT ANSWERS TO EBAY QUESTIONS
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sam11584    Jun 16, 2008 1:25 am 

[Bob Pickle]

Messages could be listed out of chronological order depending on when replies are made and to what messages those replies are made. A later reply to an earlier reply to the original message will be listed before later replies to the original message.

[Fran]

Thank you Bob for calling me on this. I was wrong. I did not take the hierarchy into consideration.  Today, I went and check my copy of all the posts about 3ABN eBay.  Tammy's comments were exactly where it is now. 

My sincere apology to the 3ABN Defended Yahoo group.  I will be much more careful in the future. 

Pray for me as I pray for you.  I did not intend to bring harm and want to ask for every one's forgiveness on both sides.

However, this does not negate the fact that Tammy did have a store called Tammy's Variety Outlet, or the fact that 3ABN did not start PayPal in 2003, but in 2005.

[Artiste]

However, this does not negate the fact that Tammy did have a store called Tammy's Variety Outlet, or the fact that 3ABN did not start PayPal in 2003, but in 2005.

What was the significance of 3ABN starting PayPal in 2005 instead of 2003?

[Fran]

Before 2005, credit card machines were used at 3ABN eBay..  The requirement to get a merchant account, and get the credit card machine, is that you have a business.  That is all I have to do. 

I have set up many credit card machines merchant accounts.  At one place, I set up 2 credit card machines.  One went to one account and the other went to another account.  The machines were clearly marked, but sure enough someone used the wrong credit card machine!  Then you have to get it all straightened out. 

At another place where I worked, a new employee traded out the business machine with a personal account.  It didn't last long for me to catch it.  One day there were no sales.  That was not right!  She brought her cc machine to work and changed them out.  Her employments lasted less than one week.  Charges were filed.

I made a 3abn eBay purchase and had to pay by credit card because they did not use PayPal.  My credit card statement did not say 3ABN.  Why would I question the credit card machines?  Why would they say the were using PayPal in 2003 when it was not until 2005?  Beats me.  Go figure.

[Fran]

A month or so ago I was looking for a file and it was gone.  I searched the computer and it was no where to be found.  I scratched my head and did a total search of even the text in each file looking for it.  It was a file that was ongoing and I added to it every once in a while.  It was a file named "eBay Feedback."  Every time I saw a nice comment left in someones feedback, I would copy it and put it in the file and customize it for me to use when I left feedback for others.

I wonder if the computer visitors thought they had found that missing feedback at 3ABN!  When it dawned on me, I cracked up!  All I had to do was go to my favorite sellers and get my lost data back and of course I have added more to my new file.  However, this time I named it "eBay Feedback Samples."  Please don't delete this again.  This file has nothing to do with 3ABN's lost eBay feedback for 1998 - 2002.  Sorry.

I hear tell I am not the only one having computer difficulties.  Was this what the subpoena was all about?  They just needed our IP addresses to hack in and delete 3ABN files.  As a bonus they got names to be able to harm their character.  When do we get to subpoena them to find out their IDs and IP addresses so we can do background searches on them just as they have done to us. 

No, I could never do it to them.  Christ asks me to treat them as I would want to be treated.  I wish they had done that to/for us.  I have forgiven them and I still have my eBay feedback.               

[Serendipity]

A month or so ago I was looking for a file and it was gone.  I searched the computer and it was no where to be found.  I scratched my head and did a total search of even the text in each file looking for it.  It was a file that was ongoing and I added to it every once in a while.  It was a file named "eBay Feedback."  Every time I saw a nice comment left in someones feedback, I would copy it and put it in the file and customize it for me to use when I left feedback for others.

I wonder if the computer visitors thought they had found that missing feedback at 3ABN!  When it dawned on me, I cracked up!  All I had to do was go to my favorite sellers and get my lost data back and of course I have added more to my new file.  However, this time I named it "eBay Feedback Samples."  Please don't delete this again.  This file has nothing to do with 3ABN's lost eBay feedback for 1998 - 2002.  Sorry.

I hear tell I am not the only one having computer difficulties.  Was this what the subpoena was all about?  They just needed our IP addresses to hack in and delete 3ABN files.  As a bonus they got names to be able to harm their character.  When do we get to subpoena them to find out their IDs and IP addresses so we can do background searches on them just as they have done to us. 

No, I could never do it to them.  Christ asks me to treat them as I would want to be treated.  I wish they had done that to/for us.  I have forgiven them and I still have my eBay feedback.               

Considering the events of the last few days, I am devastated.  They say it is over; however, it isn't over with me yet.

Several days ago I received a PM from a member to talk about the 2000 audit.  I replied that I had that file and I did not want to destroy 3ABN.  The very next morning, I turned my computer, and Windows came up in a fix mode.  My files had been changed.  It took forever for it to fix the null files.  Guess what files were gone? 

All five of the pdf files found here:

http://www.save-3abn.com/3abn-property-tax-case-entire-public-record.htm

I laughed because I have the whole ball of wax on removable storage.  That is when I wrote what I did about the 2000 audit.  However, I did not post it until things progressed.  I have a lot of files on my hard drive, but these were only files I was using at the time.  The rest is on DVD and removable storage.

I posted about the audit and added a few comments after the fact.

Then I got up and my computer opened up with all kinds of red alerts.  My data had changed again!  It took forever to get my firewall up and running along with Windows defend and my virus and scan came up.    Everything security was turned off!


It had to check all my drives!  Guess what?   They have removed all my 3ABN information from my hard drive.  In fact, they took everything on that drive.  All of my files and folders are empty.  Yeah, all of it!  This is so unnecessary. Please stop.  You did not get most of my eBay files.  What you got was files saved from the save-3ABN site, and several other things I have used frequently.

You deleted some files with my photos.  This is so uncalled for.

My correspondence with the IRS is not on my hard drive.  I believe the Criminal Investigation is not over.  I have left a message with my IRS point of contact.  I will find out if it is really over.  I am also going to ask for protection. This is about the 6th or 7th time this has happens.   This is so un-Christ like!

Telling keeps me safer.  There are several questions that I still need answered.

Tammy said she has NEVER had a store.  Why would she lie?  Yes, I still have a copy of an item Tammy was selling at her STORE!  Yes, she had a store.  The printout was done in 2006.  Would her memory have forgotten that so soon?

The name of her store was Tammy’s Variety Outlet.  All I can ask is why lie?   Could it be that 3ABN items were sold on her site?  3ABN did not get the proceeds from these certain sales.  Tammy did.  Could this be where all that missing feedback is?

As Tammy explained the procedures and processes, she made a comment that raised my eyebrows.  She said the items are received and once they were sold, they sent the information to the Donation center and then they sent the donor a receipt.

When I made a purchase from the 3ABN store, I was sent a cash donation receipt.  It clearly said that I “HAD NOT RECEIVED ANY GOODS OR SERVICES.”  However, I did receive goods that I purchased..  Do they do this to all that purchase items from the store?  What a windfall!  Was this a fluke?  If it happened more than once, there is a problem.

What is wrong with what she said?

All donations of goods or services should be receipted at the time of the donation.  That is why every donor of goods should be given and IRS Form 8283 that has a Control Number on it.  There should be 3 copies with the same control number on it


#1.  Copy 1. The donor gets the original WITHOUT the Fair Market Value on it.  The donor leaves with their IRS 8283 IRS Form that has all of 3ABN’s contact information on the form.  3ABN should also write a description of the donated item  on all copies

#2.  Copy 2 goes to Accounting once 3ABN’s Fair Market Value has been assigned and noted on both of 3ABN’s copies.  They each bear the same control number as the original 8283. Accounting posts the receipt of an asset using the Control number as the asset identification number.

#3.  Copy 3 stays with the item until it is sold.  Once it is sold, the sales price is recorded on the Sales copy of the 8283.  Then it goes to accounting so the sales price is posted to a contra account under the same control # where it was originally posted.  This will create a gain or loss.

Remember, the DONOR is responsible for assessing the Fair Market Value and attaching whatever they used to arrive at that appraisal of Fair Market Value attached to their form 8283.  They will use their 8283 with attachments to receive a deduction on their tax returns. 

The 3ABN copy #1 of the 8283 they gave the donor with the description of the item and assess a Fair market value for 3ABN.  Never does 3ABN see the Fair Market Value the donor has supplied and 3ABN does not share their Fair Market Value.  Copy #2 goes immediately to Accounting to be posted as an asset.  The Asset Control Number is also the Identification Number.  The copy #3 of the 8283 stays with the item until it is back to 3ABN Accounting with information of the sale. 

Now there is a record of receipt in accounting with the assessed value, and a copy showing disposal.  These 8383’s get filed in numerical order.  Every month the computer needs to check the control numbers listed.  No control number used should be missing.  If one is missing, the hunt is on!  If a form 8283 gets voided, all 3 copies are turned into accounting right away.

This stops the temptation of seeing a donated items and using it for yourself, or giving it to your brother or sister.  It is transparent!  It is honest.  It follows GAAP.

As for me, remember, IRS IT forensics can find out who was on my computer and took my information.   I believe all of us understand what has happened again, again, again, again, again, and again.  Please stop.

You have many many stories and think many things.

All say where is the letter? where is the letter? Many who say that also say I will ask the IRS myself, or all who say that already said "I talked to IRS" All who say so never post what IRS tells them about investigation. I

You say you work with IRS, You say:
"I believe the Criminal Investigation is not over.  I have left a message with my IRS point of contact.  I will find out if it is really over. "

Then you also never post what the IRS contact tell you.

Why?

[Snoopy]

How is it that someone who wants us to believe their English is bad knows how to use quotation marks??   



so sera you have many stories and think many things.  so many say there is letter from IRS but you not post it.

why?

danny shelton first say there is no investigation.  now jim gilley say it is over.  who you want us to believe.     

WHY??

You have many many stories and think many things.

All say where is the letter? where is the letter? Many who say that also say I will ask the IRS myself, or all who say that already said "I talked to IRS" All who say so never post what IRS tells them about investigation. I

You say you work with IRS, You say:
"I believe the Criminal Investigation is not over.  I have left a message with my IRS point of contact.  I will find out if it is really over. "

Then you also never post what the IRS contact tell you.

Why?

[ex3abnemployee]

How is it that someone who wants us to believe their English is bad knows how to use quotation marks??   



so sera you have many stories and think many things.  so many say there is letter from IRS but you not post it.

why?

danny shelton first say there is no investigation.  now jim gilley say it is over.  who you want us to believe.     

WHY??

Maybe Jim Gilley only pawn in game of life.

[bonnie]

 

Interesting to read

Danny Shelton 


Registered: 11/21/04
Posts: 63
Loc: Illinois, USA  I want to apologize to members of CA that I have tried to either defend myself or 3ABN for our decisions concerning Linda. The Lord has convicted me numerous times that He wants to defend my battles for me, yet I sometimes continue to try to do it myself. I ask God and you to forgive me for trying to do His job. It makes no difference that what I have written I believe to be true, it simply makes a difference that I could be using valuable time promoting the gospel through 3ABN, rather than getting caught up in all the muck. I know my actions have not been pleasing to God. As I mentioned before, both Linda and I are human and have our problems, but I've decided not to compound them by getting caught up in conversations with some of you all who seem to thrive on gossip. Some of you have great intentions and in fact have told me to stop communication with what you called the"wolves". I need to take this advice and not come down from the wall of work that the Lord has for me to do. If you have sincere questions about 3ABN I am still happy to answer, if you have questions about who's been right and who's been wrong in this whole situation with Linda and me, then you need to ask someone else. There are plenty of people who know very little but are willing to talk alot. I've read some of those comments that people have sent me from some of you. It's my prayer that we all begin to focus on the fact that Jesus is coming soon and ask ourselves where do we personally stand with our creator.
Linda is a wonderful person and I love her very much. I'm apologizing to her for talking when I have not needed to. No excuses offered. I need to spend my time praying for her rather than to get caught up in critizing her. The Lord has shown me it doesn't make any difference if she is right or wrong, I still should be there for her. When she is hurting I am hurting. When I hurt, I'm sure she hurts. I've let some enemies of God lure me from time to time into debate over this situation and with God's help I don't want to do it anymore. God has shown me that he is going to bless His 3ABN no matter what Satan throws our way. It is His network. I don't have to defend it for him. I have felt that what I have been doing and saying has not been to defend myself, but 3ABN. I have always felt that I love Linda enough that I personally would take all the blame for this whole situation, if it would help her to see how much I love her. But I have felt I have said what I have said to defend God's network, but the Lord has impressed me that he will take care of His own and take care of His enemies also. He always has and always will.
I am making an attempt to stay in contact with Linda to see if we both are willing for God to do a miracle in our lives together. God is ready. I guess time will tell if we are ready.
God Bless you all!
Danny
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[bonnie]

Sounds like an increase took effect due to the "rumormongers" Perhaps they should be encouraged so 3ABN can really grow.



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Stan Jensen   
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Registered: 09/15/06
Posts: 3306
Loc: 49.05° Lat- 122.3° Long  I have been told that both the donor base and the amount of financial support has continued to increase at 3ABN over the past year. Is this correct?

Thanks
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#17168 - 11/27/04 12:20 AM  Re: QUESTION: Giving [Re: Halfstep Denise] 
Danny Shelton 


Registered: 11/21/04
Posts: 63
Loc: Illinois, USA  Yes Stan, that is correct. We have seen some real miracles in spite of what the Devil is trying to do. Those coming against 3ABN are causing people to see that Satan is trying to stop the gospel, thus we have seen an increase in both the finances of 3ABN this year as well as the amount of donars are up by approx. 30%. Our income for that past nearly 6 months is record high for this time of year. We are spending more money this year because we have added thousands of $$$$ to our monthly costs to add new Satellites in space. We are now on 7 Sat. costing over $200,000 per month. Everything 3ABN has is paid for. We have Zero long term debt. Yet we have no reserve, but somehow every month God impresses His people so that when it's all said and done we have enough to pay our bills and to keep going and growing into all the world! This is a miracle. If 3ABN is true to it's mission that God called us to do, then he will bless it no matter what people do or say to destroy it.
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[bonnie]

 understand the legal expenses of the current lawsuit over save3ABN will not be funded by 3ABN donors?

Do I understand that correct?

 
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#122389 - 04/23/07 03:23 AM  Re: Donor funds and lawsuits [Re: Stan Jensen] 
Danny Shelton 


Registered: 11/21/04
Posts: 63
Loc: Illinois, USA  That is true. We have a donor who has been donating funds for some time for the purpose of legal bills incurred whether lawsuit or not. He is not taking a tax donation for these donations.
He and his family believe in 3ABN and the decisions we have made. They like our 3ABN Board have decided that people who are accusing myself and the 3ABN board of gross misconduct and out right crimes need to be held accountable.
We have filed a lawsuit against two individuals in particular to begin with.
I won't say anymore on that subject right now.
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[guide4him]

Danny Shelton


Registered: 11/21/04
Posts: 63
Loc: Illinois, USA  I want to apologize to members of CA that I have tried to either defend myself or 3ABN for our decisions concerning Linda. The Lord has convicted me numerous times that He wants to defend my battles for me, yet I sometimes continue to try to do it myself. I ask God and you to forgive me for trying to do His job. It makes no difference that what I have written I believe to be true, it simply makes a difference that I could be using valuable time promoting the gospel through 3ABN, rather than getting caught up in all the muck. I know my actions have not been pleasing to God. As I mentioned before, both Linda and I are human and have our problems, but I've decided not to compound them by getting caught up in conversations with some of you all who seem to thrive on gossip. Some of you have great intentions and in fact have told me to stop communication with what you called the"wolves". I need to take this advice and not come down from the wall of work that the Lord has for me to do. If you have sincere questions about 3ABN I am still happy to answer, if you have questions about who's been right and who's been wrong in this whole situation with Linda and me, then you need to ask someone else. There are plenty of people who know very little but are willing to talk alot. I've read some of those comments that people have sent me from some of you. It's my prayer that we all begin to focus on the fact that Jesus is coming soon and ask ourselves where do we personally stand with our creator.
Linda is a wonderful person and I love her very much. I'm apologizing to her for talking when I have not needed to. No excuses offered. I need to spend my time praying for her rather than to get caught up in critizing her. The Lord has shown me it doesn't make any difference if she is right or wrong, I still should be there for her. When she is hurting I am hurting. When I hurt, I'm sure she hurts. I've let some enemies of God lure me from time to time into debate over this situation and with God's help I don't want to do it anymore. God has shown me that he is going to bless His 3ABN no matter what Satan throws our way. It is His network. I don't have to defend it for him. I have felt that what I have been doing and saying has not been to defend myself, but 3ABN. I have always felt that I love Linda enough that I personally would take all the blame for this whole situation, if it would help her to see how much I love her. But I have felt I have said what I have said to defend God's network, but the Lord has impressed me that he will take care of His own and take care of His enemies also. He always has and always will.
I am making an attempt to stay in contact with Linda to see if we both are willing for God to do a miracle in our lives together. God is ready. I guess time will tell if we are ready.
God Bless you all!
Danny

I have a problem with this quote. IF Danny Shelton had really typed this out, why has he not made it true? Intimidation, harassment, threats, spying, hacking computers, and other problems Danny has been instigator of or ordered to happen has not stopped yet. As soon as he quits then I will believe what he says.

If you don't call "three people  from the 3ABN board either calling or arriving in person to threaten the CEO of a little mission program called Gospel Outreach who are all retired volunteers doing God's work by spreading the gospel to the 10/40 window" not threatening or intimidating or harassing, then I don't know what you would call it. So as far as I am concerned Danny has NOT stopped and he was the "Guy in Charge", not a victim being encouraged by those around him.

Oh how I do wish and pray that the statement Danny Shelton made were true. I would be thrilled. Of course con artists are good at what they do... "CON" That is why they are called "Con Artists".
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