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[Donna]

Yes, it is important to know the credibility of the source and why I have made the stand I have in this forum.

Neither one of you know Ian as I do. No one could ask for a truer friend on this earth. Rejoices with me when I do right, tells me and helps me when I am in error (according to God's word on both of these, and stands beside me praying, leaving the final choices up to me and the Lord when I am having a problem with what to do. Duane can trust my friend Ian all the way.

Isn't that the same advice that Walt Thompson has given concerning Danny Shelton all along? I didn't believe Walt and I have no reason to give Donna's testimony any more weight than I have given him. It is important to know the credibility of the source.

[Donna]

I am looking forward to many blessings this week. See you after the week end.

[Cindy]

Neither one of you know Ian as I do. No one could ask for a truer friend on this earth. Rejoices with me when I do right, tells me and helps me when I am in error (according to God's word on both of these, and stands beside me praying, leaving the final choices up to me and the Lord when I am having a problem with what to do. Duane can trust my friend Ian all the way.

Isn't that the same advice that Walt Thompson has given concerning Danny Shelton all along? I didn't believe Walt and I have no reason to give Donna's testimony any more weight than I have given him. It is important to know the credibility of the source.

True, but she is not only one of my best friends, she is also my Mom, and sister in the Lord. As such she is just as entitled to her opinion based on her personal experience and knowledge as you are, and does not need your support nor endorsement to state that, or be credible or not credible.

Positive endorsements and character references like hers, or Dr Thompson's as you refer to, are personal opinions. None need prove them to be true, it is simply their view of the people they know...


When it comes to allegations and accusations however, things are very different, or should be...

So "Sister" before you start making claims about another's credibility, you should first consider yourself,and your own credibility, for we are not to start examining our neighbors eye under a microscope for a mote, without first getting that obstruction out of our own eye which prevents us from seeing clearly.


Please consider: The very reason you give is why your stories are not credible. You and most of your sources for your stories insist in claiming things and accusing others of immorality, vice, sin, and crimes but you don't provide either the evidence to back it up, nor your names, and can therefore not be considered credible by any who know that all people, especially fellow Christians, deserve the benefit of the doubt and should be presumed innocent unless proven guilty.

Cetainly any accused should have the right to face their accusers and rebut any evidence.

Personal attacks and accusations from the shadows,cloaked in anonymity doesn't in my opinion equal Christian behavior, ethics, nor morals. You are making void the rights of others, and treating them in away that I am quite sure none of you would want others to do to yurselves or your loved ones.

I hope I am entitled to my opinion about this here.

Ian

[Snoopy]

That's great, Ian!!   Do you recommend the example set by Danny Shelton and the 3ABN Board in this regard???  Did Linda Shelton or Derrell Mundall have a right to face their accusers?? 

Please consider: The very reason you give is why your stories are not credible. You and most of your sources for your stories insist in claiming things and accusing others of immorality, vice, sin, and crimes but you don't provide either the evidence to back it up, nor your names, and can therefore not be considered credible by any who know that all people, especially fellow Christians, deserve the benefit of the doubt and should be presumed innocent unless proven guilty.

Cetainly any accused should have the right to face their accusers and rebut any evidence.

Personal attacks and accusations from the shadows,cloaked in anonymity doesn't in my opinion equal Christian behavior, ethics, nor morals. You are making void the rights of others, and treating them in away that I am quite sure none of you would want others to do to yurselves or your loved ones.

I hope I am entitled to my opinion about this here.

Ian

[Chrissie]

Neither one of you know Ian as I do. No one could ask for a truer friend on this earth. Rejoices with me when I do right, tells me and helps me when I am in error (according to God's word on both of these, and stands beside me praying, leaving the final choices up to me and the Lord when I am having a problem with what to do. Duane can trust my friend Ian all the way.

Isn't that the same advice that Walt Thompson has given concerning Danny Shelton all along? I didn't believe Walt and I have no reason to give Donna's testimony any more weight than I have given him. It is important to know the credibility of the source.

True, but she is not only one of my best friends, she is also my Mom, and sister in the Lord. As such she is just as entitled to her opinion based on her personal experience and knowledge as you are, and does not need your support nor endorsement to state that, or be credible or not credible.

One cannot expect a mother to remain impartial. Mothers will defend their children, no matter what they do or say. It's only natural that there will be a bias and blindness, when it comes to our children.

Positive endorsements and character references like hers, or Dr Thompson's as you refer to, are personal opinions. None need prove them to be true, it is simply their view of the people they know...


When it comes to allegations and accusations however, things are very different, or should be...

So "Sister" before you start making claims about another's credibility, you should first consider yourself,and your own credibility, for we are not to start examining our neighbors eye under a microscope for a mote, without first getting that obstruction out of our own eye which prevents us from seeing clearly.


Please consider: The very reason you give is why your stories are not credible. You and most of your sources for your stories insist in claiming things and accusing others of immorality, vice, sin, and crimes but you don't provide either the evidence to back it up, nor your names, and can therefore not be considered credible by any who know that all people, especially fellow Christians, deserve the benefit of the doubt and should be presumed innocent unless proven guilty.

Certainly any accused should have the right to face their accusers and rebut any evidence.

Personal attacks and accusations from the shadows,cloaked in anonymity doesn't in my opinion equal Christian behavior, ethics, nor morals. You are making void the rights of others, and treating them in away that I am quite sure none of you would want others to do to yurselves or your loved ones.

I hope I am entitled to my opinion about this here.
Ian

Yes. You are entitled to your opinion Ian, but that doesn't make you right.

Just how much evidence do you want?
Out of these statements made against DS by Gailon yesterday, would you demonstrate which are untrue please? We need the evidence to prove that these things are not true please.

He is the FORMER President of 3ABN and struggling to maintain his role as ADVISOR;
He is divorced and accused of biblical adultery, which his board made the mistake of Blessing;
He is a defendant trying hard to avoid paying his ex-wife her FAIR SHARE and the judge today just did not sound that friendly making it clear there ought to be a settlement, allowed Linda to re-open discovery in light of the various allegations ordering depositions in July;
He has filed suite against two journalists and must now provide thousands of documents to the defendants so they can close the ring of evidence around him and his board;
He has served his ex-wife and this will inevitably lead to additional counterclaims against Danny Lee Shelton and at least several of the directors;
The IRS Criminal Investigation is ongoing and looming over Danny Lee Shelton and the directors of 3ABN like a guillotine (talking about a heavy heart);
And this is by no means the end of litigation that Danny Lee Shelton, 3ABN and it's officers and directors will face as the lawyers gear up to press their various cases against the Shelton Business.
And there will be collateral damage to birds of a feather and associated entities.

[ex3abnemployee]

Ya Duane, you get made fun of, patronized and invited to do lunch in the same sincere breath. "'Come into my parlor' said the spider to the fly."

Yeah, well...I only have 5 vacation days and I would rather use them for doing activities with the kids in my youth group.

Ian, I sincerely thank you for the lunch invitation, but it's not a good idea for me to appear at campmeeting. Surely you can understand why.

[Chrissie]

Ya Duane, you get made fun of, patronized and invited to do lunch in the same sincere breath. "'Come into my parlor' said the spider to the fly."

Yeah, well...I only have 5 vacation days and I would rather use them for doing activities with the kids in my youth group.

Ian, I sincerely thank you for the lunch invitation, but it's not a good idea for me to appear at campmeeting. Surely you can understand why.

Duane
Do you think they understand anything? Seems to me that some are as thick as bricks and just 'don't get it'.

[Eduard]

I am looking forward to many blessings this week. See you after the week end.

Ian,

You and Donna are two very confused people. You have not grown up yet to discern between fiction and reality. You state about your "mom":

"she is not only one of my best friends, she is also my Mom, and sister in the Lord. As such she is just as entitled to her opinion based on her personal experience and knowledge as you are."

Those who are familiar with logical fallacies know that your statement is a "non sequitur." It does not follow that because someone is your "Mom, and sister in the Lord" this very thing entitles her to her opinions. Who cares about her opinions, or your opinions, anyway? Anybody here? And even if she might be entitled to her own opinions SHE IS NOT ENTITLED TO HER OWN FACTS. The problem is that you and Donna are two broken records, running again and again the same old and nonsensical tune. You keep contradicting FACTS because you don't understand that while opinions can be personal and subjective, the crimes D. Shelton has committed are not a matter or opinion, but a matter of PUBLIC RECORD, of FACTS. You can keep running those damaged records night and day stating opinions and making accusations, but you cannot deny THE FACTS.


Quite often, we people dig our own graves by making statements that show how hypocritical we are. You are doing it all the time. For instance, in your message you state:


"Cetainly [sic!] any accused should have the right to face their accusers and rebut any evidence."

You also state:

"Personal attacks and accusations from the shadows,cloaked in anonymity doesn't in my opinion equal Christian behavior, ethics, nor morals."

Did D.Shelton's actions show "Christian behavior, ethics, [or] morals" when he accused Linda of adultery and spread the rumors and gossip to the whole world without providing any evidence that she had commited the sin?

Did D. Shelton's actions show "Christian behavior, ethics, [or] morals" when he made Linda sign a paper forbidding her to defend herself, and taking from her the fundamental right of the accused to "face their accusers and rebut any evidence"?

Is it a matter of opinion that D. Shelton acted in the most despicable, mean, and dishonorable way when he treated Linda that way while he was hiding his brother's perversion and protecting him from the deserved punishment?

Is it a matter of opinion that D. Shelton lied to the IRS, and tried to steal what is rightfully due to the government?


Again and again Pickle and Joy pointed to FACTUAL EVIDENCE which shows that D. Shelton committed crimes that deserve imprisonment. What is a "matter of opinion" in all the evidence they provided?


Eduard






 

[inga]

Folks, the morals at 3ABN are as high as always. Nothing has changed there.

If nothing has changed, it is evident that the morals at 3ABN are very low! 

[Cindy]

Folks, the morals at 3ABN are as high as always. Nothing has changed there.

If nothing has changed, it is evident that the morals at 3ABN are very low! 

How is that evident to you Inga?

Do you personally know any of the people beiing maligned, or being accused/rebuked of sin?

Do you personally have knowledge of them and their morals?

Have you ever gone to any of them and asked any questions?

Have you personally sought out the facts of these situations or tried to determine what they are?

If not you are in grave danger my sister, and stand on VERY shaky ground. I say this in love and out of respect and concern, for I do, and have done so, and cannot agree with your judgment, and because of this know the Lord will not agree with what you claim is "evident", for HE is a righteous Judge, and is all about truth, grace and mercy.

It is a biblical fact that those who can not love others as he does, and who do not give mercy will recieve none, and as they judge, so they will be judged.

We all have a huge responsibility here, and will be held accountable for "every idle word"

[Bob Pickle]

I do and have done so, and Inga's statement is correct.

[Cindy]

I do and have done so, and Inga's statement is correct.

FACT:

Bob Pickle knows none at 3ABN, ( nor do they know him except by the work he has engaged in against them) he was not involved nor witness to any of the hearsay he has reported, which he is being sued for, and has in fact never set foot at 3ABN.

Further-- He is asking 3ABN to provide evidence, so he can prove his claims against them in the lawsuit.

Why?

He is unable to do so based on what he has now, and as he is in error,will never be able to...

[Daryl Fawcett]

Obtaining information in a lawsuit, isn't that what the discovery phase is all about?

[Bob Pickle]

Don't lie.

Do you personally have knowledge of them and their morals?

Have you ever gone to any of them and asked any questions?

Have you personally sought out the facts of these situations or tried to determine what they are?

I do and have done so.

Further:

Further-- He is asking 3ABN to provide evidence, so he can prove his claims against them in the lawsuit.

Why?

He is unable to do so based on what he has now, and as he is in error,will never be able to...

You are displaying your ignorance of the legal process.

[Bob Pickle]

Obtaining information in a lawsuit, isn't that what the discovery phase is all about?

Correct, Daryl. The standards of the Federal Rules of Evidence are pretty high. Praise God that they are, since that protects us.

The bottom line is that the average person can be convinced that a point has been proved when the standards of the Federal Rules of Evidence have not yet been met.