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[Bob Pickle]

Now come on, Donna. You can't be serious. Since when has any 3ABN supporter ever shown that Danny didn't try to convince Linda to violate the Internal Revenue Code regarding those horse donations?

Since when has any 3ABN supporter explained how Danny was telling the truth when he said under oath that he hadn't received housing or retirement benefits from 3ABN?

Neither of things are my opinion. It's the facts.

[Sam]

But he's the one who has posted, "R P I A L," not me.

RPIAL? What does that mean?

[Sam]

Well, Ian, I hate to break it to you, but I'm not losing any sleep about what your opinion of me is!!!   

If gender is not such an issue, why do YOU make such a big deal about it??  And, why are you and anyman fighting Sam's battles?  Sam is obviously a very intelligent poster here.  If he or she has an issue with the post, he or she can PM me - simply as that.  He or she does not seem to need you or anyman to fight his or her battles for him or her!!  I explained why I posted what I did, I explained that it was inadvertent and I apologized for it, but I chose not to edit it because the post had already been out there for a while and has been included in other discussion.

Additionally, Sam responded in such a way that he or she might or might not deny being female:

How totally tiresome you are.  You "became aware" that I may be a female so continued on with your post as if it were fact. Why should it surprise me when you do the same thing with most of the wonderful "information" you share?  Oh well, think what you want.  Why waste time trying to change your mind when I will become whatever gender you decide I am and that will be a "fact" also.

I agree with Gailon - What's your beef, Ian??

The beef isn't about gender.  It is about privacy.  When you join a christian forum it should be the members right to either, give their real name, or not and trust that the moderators will respect the decision.  When you don't, it is kind of like breaking attorney/client privilege.  There are grave repurcussions when that happens.  You state that you did not know that you had information that was hidden to members. If you did not understand moderator rules any better than that, why were you given and why did you take the job?  Seems moderators should be well versed in what they can and cannot do as well as what they have access to.

Personally I could care less if you think I'm a woman but breaking the trust of the forum members is a whole different ball game.

And since we're sharing opinions Snoopy. In mine if you had any ethics or respect for others you would have edited out your reference immediatly. Most people when honestly mistaken will move to correct the mistake. The fact that you didn't, shows you don't give a fig about anyone's privacy except your friends, and your own.

The actual truth is, the discussions or debates here do not hang upon what the gender of a poster is, that really has nothing to do with anything.

[Habanero]

I second Sam's question. Can anyone explain what that means?

But he's the one who has posted, "R P I A L," not me.

RPIAL? What does that mean?

[Artiste]

The lawsuit is definitely vindictive, in my opinion. Think Greg has changed camps?

Anybody have an idea what he meant by "R P I A L and E S . . ."?

Someone asked me if "R P I A L" means "Robert Pickle Is A Liar."

He wouldn't have said something like that, would he? How have I been vindictive? Or vengeful?

[Snoopy]

Apparently you didn't read the earlier posts where this whole incident was discussed, and I explained what happened, and apologized for it.  If you can't accept that, then I do feel bad for you!!  Every post you have made here as been of an angry tone.  That is really sad.

As for thinking moderators should be well versed in what can be done and seen...I totally agree with you!!  Unfortunately, the software does not indicate when we are seeing something that is hidden to others.  I really wish I would have known that ahead of time, but I do now and will certainly be more careful in the future.

The beef isn't about gender.  It is about privacy.  When you join a christian forum it should be the members right to either, give their real name, or not and trust that the moderators will respect the decision.  When you don't, it is kind of like breaking attorney/client privilege.  There are grave repurcussions when that happens.  You state that you did not know that you had information that was hidden to members. If you did not understand moderator rules any better than that, why were you given and why did you take the job?  Seems moderators should be well versed in what they can and cannot do as well as what they have access to.

Personally I could care less if you think I'm a woman but breaking the trust of the forum members is a whole different ball game.

[judibug61]

Snoopy, you do a wonderful job as a moderator....keep up the good work.......there are some very difficult posters here lately, some of which have totally changed Adventtalk as it was when I joined.......I never before felt such hostility and anger in some posters now...and to tell you the truth....I was so glad to see all this bashing end at other forums because of lawsuit threats.......only to see it infiltrate here.....and it is getting more and more like all the angered other forums were......I think you and all the moderators do a very good job dealing with the anger that is infiltrating into this forum.......We are all suppose to be SDA Christians......but some have lost sight of that............
Thanks again ..........may all have a Happy Sabbath !!!!!!

[Daryl Fawcett]

Snoopy and Chrissie were both working and doing a commendable job without any concrete Moderation Guidelines to aid them.   We now have Moderation Guidelines for them to follow, which are still being tweaked, therefore, things should be made easier for them in the future.

I am still getting used to what this software can and can't do, however, I see that I need to verify things on the staff privacy side and alert them accordingly, which will avoid similar mistakes in the future.

Now let's get back on topic.

[Snoopy]

Thank you, judibug!!  I do appreciate that!!     

Snoopy, you do a wonderful job as a moderator....keep up the good work.......there are some very difficult posters here lately, some of which have totally changed Adventtalk as it was when I joined.......I never before felt such hostility and anger in some posters now...and to tell you the truth....I was so glad to see all this bashing end at other forums because of lawsuit threats.......only to see it infiltrate here.....and it is getting more and more like all the angered other forums were......I think you and all the moderators do a very good job dealing with the anger that is infiltrating into this forum.......We are all suppose to be SDA Christians......but some have lost sight of that............
Thanks again ..........may all have a Happy Sabbath !!!!!!

[roxe]

Yeah, I've been wondering how long it would take for the supporters of evil to arrive. They make me physically sick. I just wish they would go away. 

If nothing else, Pickle and Joy's respectful reponses show me that Bob and Gailon know Jesus and walk with Him.

[Ozzie]

Yeah, I've been wondering how long it would take for the supporters of evil to arrive. They make me physically sick. I just wish they would go away. 

If nothing else, Pickle and Joy's respectful reponses show me that Bob and Gailon know Jesus and walk with Him.

Roxe
Unfortunately, there are quite a few people here who feel as you do, and I believe that we need to look at how AT has changed.

I know that there are a number of caring people, who have not posted or even visited here for awhile now, because of the behaviour of a few; who appear to use 'bullying tactics', as they are determined to have the 'last say' and are prepared to destroy anyone who wants any accountability from 3abn and the associated cohorts. People have pulled back from even visiting AT because of this behaviour.

Maybe, that's off topic here, but perhaps could be used to start another thread? And how do we reclaim those who have felt 'abused' by a very vocal minority?

[roxe]

Yeah, I've been wondering how long it would take for the supporters of evil to arrive. They make me physically sick. I just wish they would go away. 

If nothing else, Pickle and Joy's respectful reponses show me that Bob and Gailon know Jesus and walk with Him.

Roxe
Unfortunately, there are quite a few people here who feel as you do, and I believe that we need to look at how AT has changed.

I know that there are a number of caring people, who have not posted or even visited here for awhile now, because of the behaviour of a few; who appear to use 'bullying tactics', as they are determined to have the 'last say' and are prepared to destroy anyone who wants any accountability from 3abn and the associated cohorts. People have pulled back from even visiting AT because of this behaviour.

Maybe, that's off topic here, but perhaps could be used to start another thread? And how do we reclaim those who have felt 'abused' by a very vocal minority?

Isn't one of the rules of this forum to be respectful of others? I would suggest that rule needs to be enforced very strictly. After a couple of examples of disrespect or hot-headed abuse, a week of posting privileges being suspended needs to be done. AFTER ONE MORE EXAMPLE of disrespect and abuse, permanently banned.

That's the way I would run this forum. No sense of letting rude, unruly, abusive posting take control and give stomach aches and stress.

BTW, Gailon and Bob, have you ever thought that the hot-headed disrespect posts aimed at you could be hoping your answers will reveal court strategies??

[Bob Pickle]

Sure, they could be fishing. Probably desperate.

I mean, can you see any possible strategy that could get them out of this mess short of repentance, confession, and restitution?

[Snoopy]

Roxe, Ozzie...

I very much agree wtih both of you!!

Yeah, I've been wondering how long it would take for the supporters of evil to arrive. They make me physically sick. I just wish they would go away. 

If nothing else, Pickle and Joy's respectful reponses show me that Bob and Gailon know Jesus and walk with Him.

Roxe
Unfortunately, there are quite a few people here who feel as you do, and I believe that we need to look at how AT has changed.

I know that there are a number of caring people, who have not posted or even visited here for awhile now, because of the behaviour of a few; who appear to use 'bullying tactics', as they are determined to have the 'last say' and are prepared to destroy anyone who wants any accountability from 3abn and the associated cohorts. People have pulled back from even visiting AT because of this behaviour.

Maybe, that's off topic here, but perhaps could be used to start another thread? And how do we reclaim those who have felt 'abused' by a very vocal minority?

Isn't one of the rules of this forum to be respectful of others? I would suggest that rule needs to be enforced very strictly. After a couple of examples of disrespect or hot-headed abuse, a week of posting privileges being suspended needs to be done. AFTER ONE MORE EXAMPLE of disrespect and abuse, permanently banned.

That's the way I would run this forum. No sense of letting rude, unruly, abusive posting take control and give stomach aches and stress.

BTW, Gailon and Bob, have you ever thought that the hot-headed disrespect posts aimed at you could be hoping your answers will reveal court strategies??

[Johann]

Snoopy, you do a wonderful job as a moderator....keep up the good work.......there are some very difficult posters here lately, some of which have totally changed Adventtalk as it was when I joined.......I never before felt such hostility and anger in some posters now...and to tell you the truth....I was so glad to see all this bashing end at other forums because of lawsuit threats.......only to see it infiltrate here.....and it is getting more and more like all the angered other forums were......I think you and all the moderators do a very good job dealing with the anger that is infiltrating into this forum.......We are all suppose to be SDA Christians......but some have lost sight of that............
Thanks again ..........may all have a Happy Sabbath !!!!!!