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[Cindy]

This seems a bit uncalled for, Sam.  Your profile doesn't indicate a gender.  Your screen name is "Sam" but your email address indicates a female name.  Who wouldn't be confused?  Seems to me Gailon was just trying to correct a possible mistake.  Why be so ugly about it?  It's starting to appear that you might have a personal stake in all this mess...   

How totally tiresome you are.  You "became aware" that I may be a female so continued on with your post as if it were fact. Why should it surprise me when you do the same thing with most of the wonderful "information" you share?  Oh well, think what you want.  Why waste time trying to change your mind when I will become whatever gender you decide I am and that will be a "fact" also.

hmmm...

And this seems to be a bit uncalled for. I just checked Sam's profile, there is no gender listed, and it says the email address is hidden...

Sam's choice. Just as your privacy, and what you reveal or don't reveal is your choice, right Snoopy?

[Snoopy]

This seems a bit uncalled for, Sam.  Your profile doesn't indicate a gender.  Your screen name is "Sam" but your email address indicates a female name.  Who wouldn't be confused?  Seems to me Gailon was just trying to correct a possible mistake.  Why be so ugly about it?  It's starting to appear that you might have a personal stake in all this mess...   

How totally tiresome you are.  You "became aware" that I may be a female so continued on with your post as if it were fact. Why should it surprise me when you do the same thing with most of the wonderful "information" you share?  Oh well, think what you want.  Why waste time trying to change your mind when I will become whatever gender you decide I am and that will be a "fact" also.

hmmm...

And this seems to be a bit uncalled for. I just checked Sam's profile, there is no gender listed, and it says the email address is hidden...

Sam's choice. Just as your privacy, and what you reveal or don't reveal is your choice, right Snoopy?

Well, Ian, if you weren't always looking for a battle you might have considered the possibility that I did not realize that I was seeing information that was only accessible to staff.  Sam's profile does not tell me that his/her email address is hidden to others.  So, my apologies.  But thank you for pointing out that I have access to information I didn't realize was private!!!

And, just for the record, I think it is unnecessary for posters who insist on using screennames that are intended to be misleading, or at least questionable, from a gender perspective to put up a fight when someone gets it wrong!!  If someone is going to that much effort to hide their identity, they shouldn't expect posters to know whether they are male or female!!  Would you prefer "it"?  As I said earlier, Gailon was simply trying to correct a possible error in a genuine way, and you all make a case of it!  I'm thinking that desperation is setting in, big time!!

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

This seems a bit uncalled for, Sam.  Your profile doesn't indicate a gender.  Your screen name is "Sam" but your email address indicates a female name.  Who wouldn't be confused?  Seems to me Gailon was just trying to correct a possible mistake.  Why be so ugly about it?  It's starting to appear that you might have a personal stake in all this mess...   

How totally tiresome you are.  You "became aware" that I may be a female so continued on with your post as if it were fact. Why should it surprise me when you do the same thing with most of the wonderful "information" you share?  Oh well, think what you want.  Why waste time trying to change your mind when I will become whatever gender you decide I am and that will be a "fact" also.

hmmm...

And this seems to be a bit uncalled for. I just checked Sam's profile, there is no gender listed, and it says the email address is hidden...

Sam's choice. Just as your privacy, and what you reveal or don't reveal is your choice, right Snoopy?

Actually, Ian, the complaint of my having denigrated SAM's name came from ANYMAN.
It was not my intension to insult the person or persons. Appears the apology is rejected...not
much I can do about that. I must assume SAM does not abide by Christian Principals and deal
with it accordingly. Fairly typical of Danny Lee Shelton and his defenders, in my oinion.

I find it amazing that this simple issue drives such a venomous response...but you know what they say:
Birds of a feather and all???

For the record, can you explain what your beef is? Just doesn't seem logical that you have a dog in this fight with a Historic Adventism background. In fact, given all the issues that clearly are coming out regarding the past twenty years, wouldn't it be more logical that you would be working on the 3ABN reformation movement?

Splain me!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Cindy]

This seems a bit uncalled for, Sam.  Your profile doesn't indicate a gender.  Your screen name is "Sam" but your email address indicates a female name.  Who wouldn't be confused?  Seems to me Gailon was just trying to correct a possible mistake.  Why be so ugly about it?  It's starting to appear that you might have a personal stake in all this mess...   

How totally tiresome you are.  You "became aware" that I may be a female so continued on with your post as if it were fact. Why should it surprise me when you do the same thing with most of the wonderful "information" you share?  Oh well, think what you want.  Why waste time trying to change your mind when I will become whatever gender you decide I am and that will be a "fact" also.

hmmm...

And this seems to be a bit uncalled for. I just checked Sam's profile, there is no gender listed, and it says the email address is hidden...

Sam's choice. Just as your privacy, and what you reveal or don't reveal is your choice, right Snoopy?

Well, Ian, if you weren't always looking for a battle you might have considered the possibility that I did not realize that I was seeing information that was only accessible to staff.  Sam's profile does not tell me that his/her email address is hidden to others.  So, my apologies.  But thank you for pointing out that I have access to information I didn't realize was private!!!

And, just for the record, I think it is unnecessary for posters who insist on using screennames that are intended to be misleading, or at least questionable, from a gender perspective to put up a fight when someone gets it wrong!!  If someone is going to that much effort to hide their identity, they shouldn't expect posters to know whether they are male or female!!  Would you prefer "it"?  As I said earlier, Gailon was simply trying to correct a possible error in a genuine way, and you all make a case of it!  I'm thinking that desperation is setting in, big time!!

And since we're sharing opinions Snoopy. In mine if you had any ethics or respect for others you would have edited out your reference immediatly. Most people when honestly mistaken will move to correct the mistake. The fact that you didn't, shows once more that you don't give a fig about anyone's privacy unless it's your friends, or your own, despite the apology.

The actual truth is, the discussions or debates here do not hang upon what the gender of a poster is, that really has nothing to do with the topics and issues under discussion.

[Snoopy]

Well, Ian, I hate to break it to you, but I'm not losing any sleep about what your opinion of me is!!!   

If gender is not such an issue, why do YOU make such a big deal about it??  And, why are you and anyman fighting Sam's battles?  Sam is obviously a very intelligent poster here.  If he or she has an issue with the post, he or she can PM me - simply as that.  He or she does not seem to need you or anyman to fight his or her battles for him or her!!  I explained why I posted what I did, I explained that it was inadvertent and I apologized for it, but I chose not to edit it because the post had already been out there for a while and has been included in other discussion.

Additionally, Sam responded in such a way that he or she might or might not deny being female:

How totally tiresome you are.  You "became aware" that I may be a female so continued on with your post as if it were fact. Why should it surprise me when you do the same thing with most of the wonderful "information" you share?  Oh well, think what you want.  Why waste time trying to change your mind when I will become whatever gender you decide I am and that will be a "fact" also.

I agree with Gailon - What's your beef, Ian??

And since we're sharing opinions Snoopy. In mine if you had any ethics or respect for others you would have edited out your reference immediatly. Most people when honestly mistaken will move to correct the mistake. The fact that you didn't, shows you don't give a fig about anyone's privacy except your friends, and your own.

The actual truth is, the discussions or debates here do not hang upon what the gender of a poster is, that really has nothing to do with anything.

[Cindy]

My beef is the  right to privacy and equal respect for member's rights on this forum Snoopy, whether that be about gender or any other thing.

If I posted something one of your friends chose to keep private I don't think you would reply with "I chose not to edit it because the post had already been out there for a while"

Shall we test that premise?

And "in my opinion" anymans issue was not gender either, it was in how you allow one side in these discussions to namecall the other and ignore it.

[Snoopy]

ADMIN HAT ON

Ian, I explained to you why I did what I did.  If that is not good enough for you, take it up with Daryl in a PM.

AND, DO NOT THREATEN ME!!  YOU NEED TO LET THIS ONE GO!

ADMIN HAT OFF

My beef is the  right to privacy and equal respect for member's rights on this forum Snoopy, whether that be about gender or any other thing.

If I posted something one of your friends chose to keep private I don't think you would reply with "I chose not to edit it because the post had already been out there for a while"

Shall we test that premise?
And "in my opinion" anymans issue was not gender either, it was in how you allow one side in these discussions to namecall the other when that's not supposed to be allowed.

[Cindy]

See? my premise was correct. That was a totally different reaction, Snoopy. 

ADMIN HAT ON

Ian, I explained to you why I did what I did.  If that is not good enough for you, take it up with Daryl in a PM.

AND, DO NOT THREATEN ME!!  YOU NEED TO LET THIS ONE GO!

ADMIN HAT OFF

My beef is the  right to privacy and equal respect for member's rights on this forum Snoopy, whether that be about gender or any other thing.

If I posted something one of your friends chose to keep private I don't think you would reply with "I chose not to edit it because the post had already been out there for a while"

Shall we test that premise?
And "in my opinion" anymans issue was not gender either, it was in how you allow one side in these discussions to namecall the other when that's not supposed to be allowed.

[Snoopy]

ADMIN HAT ON

Probably so, because others haven't threatened me like you have!!  Why don't you take 24 hours to cool off??

ADMIN HAT OFF

See? my premise was correct. That was a totally different reaction, Snoopy. 

ADMIN HAT ON

Ian, I explained to you why I did what I did.  If that is not good enough for you, take it up with Daryl in a PM.

AND, DO NOT THREATEN ME!!  YOU NEED TO LET THIS ONE GO!

ADMIN HAT OFF

My beef is the  right to privacy and equal respect for member's rights on this forum Snoopy, whether that be about gender or any other thing.

If I posted something one of your friends chose to keep private I don't think you would reply with "I chose not to edit it because the post had already been out there for a while"

Shall we test that premise?
And "in my opinion" anymans issue was not gender either, it was in how you allow one side in these discussions to namecall the other when that's not supposed to be allowed.

[Bob Pickle]

Aahhh! Things will get too quiet now.

Too bad there can't be a happy medium between too quiet and too raucous!

[anyman]

Well it seems as plain as the nose on either face. The beef is this, Snoopy you provided information, available to only you, to Gailon who then used it to attack and tear someone else down or at least be condescending. You are a moderater and you are suppose to maintain neutrailty of yourself when administering this thread. It would appear you had a chance to try and make someone seem dishonest without taking a minute to consider the reasons. Did it dawn on anyone that maybe Sam (and no I don't know who he is) is posting from his home computer and the only email address at home is one his wife set up? So quick to decided that someone is being dishonest. Come on step back and take a breath you two and think about the possibilities. Your so defensive and in pitbull mode that you are discrediting yourselfs with every word.

Well, Ian, I hate to break it to you, but I'm not losing any sleep about what your opinion of me is!!!   

If gender is not such an issue, why do YOU make such a big deal about it??  And, why are you and anyman fighting Sam's battles?  Sam is obviously a very intelligent poster here.  If he or she has an issue with the post, he or she can PM me - simply as that.  He or she does not seem to need you or anyman to fight his or her battles for him or her!!  I explained why I posted what I did, I explained that it was inadvertent and I apologized for it, but I chose not to edit it because the post had already been out there for a while and has been included in other discussion.

Additionally, Sam responded in such a way that he or she might or might not deny being female:

How totally tiresome you are.  You "became aware" that I may be a female so continued on with your post as if it were fact. Why should it surprise me when you do the same thing with most of the wonderful "information" you share?  Oh well, think what you want.  Why waste time trying to change your mind when I will become whatever gender you decide I am and that will be a "fact" also.

I agree with Gailon - What's your beef, Ian??

And since we're sharing opinions Snoopy. In mine if you had any ethics or respect for others you would have edited out your reference immediatly. Most people when honestly mistaken will move to correct the mistake. The fact that you didn't, shows you don't give a fig about anyone's privacy except your friends, and your own.

The actual truth is, the discussions or debates here do not hang upon what the gender of a poster is, that really has nothing to do with anything.

[Snoopy]

What would make you think I provided any information to Gailon?  Did you see where I explained what happened and apologized for it?  Did you see where the topic got dropped until you brought it up again??  Did you see that there is a SINGLE thread where moderator actions are to be discussed...RESPECTFULLY??  Did you see any of that anyman?  Or do you just look to pick up the fight where your buddy Ian left off??  And as for forum administration, your example is probably NOT one I would choose to learn from!!

Well it seems as plain as the nose on either face. The beef is this, Snoopy you provided information, available to only you, to Gailon who then used it to attack and tear someone else down or at least be condescending. You are a moderater and you are suppose to maintain neutrailty of yourself when administering this thread. It would appear you had a chance to try and make someone seem dishonest without taking a minute to consider the reasons. Did it dawn on anyone that maybe Sam (and no I don't know who he is) is posting from his home computer and the only email address at home is one his wife set up? So quick to decided that someone is being dishonest. Come on step back and take a breath you two and think about the possibilities. Your so defensive and in pitbull mode that you are discrediting yourselfs with every word.

[anyman]

Well here is the timeline as you can check back on the previous page. Around 10:44 last night Mr. Joy says he was "just made aware" that Sam might be female. A few posts later you responded to Ian by saying that Sam's email has a female name in it. So it would seem to the simplest of us here that 1 + 1 makes 2. Is it beyond the possibility that since you defend Mr. Joy aggressively that you might be passing along information to him so he can use it in responding to people? Just asking.

What would make you think I provided any information to Gailon?  Did you see where I explained what happened and apologized for it?  Did you see where the topic got dropped until you brought it up again??  Did you see that there is a SINGLE thread where moderator actions are to be discussed...RESPECTFULLY??  Did you see any of that anyman?  Or do you just look to pick up the fight where your buddy Ian left off??  And as for forum administration, your example is probably NOT one I would choose to learn from!!

Well it seems as plain as the nose on either face. The beef is this, Snoopy you provided information, available to only you, to Gailon who then used it to attack and tear someone else down or at least be condescending. You are a moderater and you are suppose to maintain neutrailty of yourself when administering this thread. It would appear you had a chance to try and make someone seem dishonest without taking a minute to consider the reasons. Did it dawn on anyone that maybe Sam (and no I don't know who he is) is posting from his home computer and the only email address at home is one his wife set up? So quick to decided that someone is being dishonest. Come on step back and take a breath you two and think about the possibilities. Your so defensive and in pitbull mode that you are discrediting yourselfs with every word.

[Snoopy]

Anyman, I explained what happened in an earlier post.  If you are unable to read or understand it, I am sorry for you.

Well here is the timeline as you can check back on the previous page. Around 10:44 last night Mr. Joy says he was "just made aware" that Sam might be female. A few posts later you responded to Ian by saying that Sam's email has a female name in it. So it would seem to the simplest of us here that 1 + 1 makes 2. Is it beyond the possibility that since you defend Mr. Joy aggressively that you might be passing along information to him so he can use it in responding to people? Just asking.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Well it seems as plain as the nose on either face. The beef is this, Snoopy you provided information, available to only you, to Gailon who then used it to attack and tear someone else down or at least be condescending. You are a moderater and you are suppose to maintain neutrailty of yourself when administering this thread. It would appear you had a chance to try and make someone seem dishonest without taking a minute to consider the reasons. Did it dawn on anyone that maybe Sam (and no I don't know who he is) is posting from his home computer and the only email address at home is one his wife set up? So quick to decided that someone is being dishonest. Come on step back and take a breath you two and think about the possibilities. Your so defensive and in pitbull mode that you are discrediting yourselfs with every word.

ANYMAN, you are the one who complained that my use of SAM the MAN was a denigration of SAM, without explanation. I ASKED WHAT WAS THE DENIGRATION?
and went further to ask if there were a chance it was short for Samantha. Snoopy responded with the premise the e-mail was to a ladies account.

I GAVE A PUBLIC APOLOGY and your intrepid and obnoxious deduction was that this apology was an ATTACK AND CONDESCENDING?

There is a body of evidence that would demonstrate that you and the Danny Supporters are incredibly blinded by hate and disdain and cannot even demonstrate enough Christianity to accept a clear apology, RESULTING FROM YOUR COMPLAINT???

ANYMAN, SAM and IAN have clearly gone overboard and have demonstrated a clear agenda contrary to reasonable discussion essential to civility.

May I suggest a visit to your pastor???

Gailon Arthur Joy