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[Bob Pickle]

But what does "R P I A L and E S ..." mean? What is Greg saying by that?

[Bob Pickle]

Makes perfect sense, Ian.  I knew I could find many of the posts online, but thought there were other docs referenced that weren't otherwise available...but at $0.08 per page one would want to be selective!

I think the maximum charge is $2.40, something like that. So you don't have to pay 8 cents a page for the whole thing.

[Bob Pickle]

Good question... It's always good to document the things you say and claim, especially when you are calling an attorney a liar, and she has already warned you about such...

I don't recall doing that in my filing. Am I forgetting something?

I welcome the most charitable explanation possible for the discrepancy.

[Snoopy]

Respectfully, Ian, how is it that you have knowledge of what communication has taken place between Ms. Hayes and Mr. Pickle?

Bob, Are you in a position to post what you filed last week? ..

Good question... It's always good to document the things you say and claim, especially when you are calling an attorney a liar, and she has already warned you about such...

[sonshineonme]

Respectfully, Ian, how is it that you have knowledge of what communication has taken place between Ms. Hayes and Mr. Pickle?

Bob, Are you in a position to post what you filed last week? ..

Good question... It's always good to document the things you say and claim, especially when you are calling an attorney a liar, and she has already warned you about such...

I'd be interested to know that too.    Hope it's a reliable source.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

But only Bob can provide a quote to us of Jerrie Hayes statement from the transcript as a Pro se defendant. Hearing transcripts aren't available through PACER. He didn't provide it to the court either, which probably won't work well for him, (imo) guess we'll see...

Ian, I don't have the transcript. They are expensive to get.

I stated what was said in that hearing in my affidavit, and I would think that should be sufficient. If that sort of conversation was had in my courtroom, and the folks came back and referred to that conversation again, I think I would remember it. Magistrate Judge Hillman may not remember, but it has only been 2+ months since that hearing, and that part of the hearing should be more easily remembered I would think than other parts.

Bob, unike you, I was in the courtroom and watched as well as heard Hayes make that ridiculous statement. In fact, she made the statement while standing pleading her case before the bench and made the statement with a straight face. Does that make it a bald face fallacy...under oath???

Need an afffidavitt in support of this just to suite Magistrate Judge Ian?

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Bob Pickle]

-------- Original Message --------
From:     Danny Shelton
To:     Walt Thompson
Subject:     
Date:     10/8/2006 12:13:14 PM

Gailon,

Walt copied me your email to him.

...

You have expressed that Linda and Arild have passed your "truth" test concerning them being guiltless of having an affair. So much so that you are going to email your results to everyone you can .... I hope that they are believable enough for you to stake every thing you own on the information you have received from them and certain others, because in the long run that could be what is at stake for you. ... but I am encouraging you to get the facts straight before you continue to publish lies. This can have bad consequences for every one involved, including you.

Anyway, let me give you just a few things to think about,

You claim that Linda passed your truth test. Are you not aware that any one who is a polished liar will not wiggle or squirm when being questioned about their lies ... ?

...

The detectives told me that Arild gave Linda a very nice watch as a gift. ...

She never wiggled or squirmed. She was almost convincing to me.

So Danny says that Linda can tell lies with a straight face.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

-------- Original Message --------
From:     Danny Shelton
To:     Walt Thompson
Subject:     
Date:     10/8/2006 12:13:14 PM

Gailon,

Walt copied me your email to him.

...

You have expressed that Linda and Arild have passed your "truth" test concerning them being guiltless of having an affair. So much so that you are going to email your results to everyone you can .... I hope that they are believable enough for you to stake every thing you own on the information you have received from them and certain others, because in the long run that could be what is at stake for you. ... but I am encouraging you to get the facts straight before you continue to publish lies. This can have bad consequences for every one involved, including you.

Anyway, let me give you just a few things to think about,

You claim that Linda passed your truth test. Are you not aware that any one who is a polished liar will not wiggle or squirm when being questioned about their lies ... ?

...

The detectives told me that Arild gave Linda a very nice watch as a gift. ...

She never wiggled or squirmed. She was almost convincing to me.

Thank-you for reminding me of this. In fact this very e-mail underscores Danny's factaully challenged status as the watch was a gift given before the Private detectives were hired and Linda put the gift in the Glove Compartment, where Danny found it when he went through the car about ten days after it was gifted. When one is perpetually factually challenged one has a problem keeping the facts straight.

But in response, I do think that some people can beat a Lie Detector Test...but Linda is not one...on the other Hand, I believe Danny could!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Cindy]

Respectfully, Ian, how is it that you have knowledge of what communication has taken place between Ms. Hayes and Mr. Pickle?

Bob, Are you in a position to post what you filed last week? ..

Good question... It's always good to document the things you say and claim, especially when you are calling an attorney a liar, and she has already warned you about such...

The letters were submitted in court, I got them from PACER, and  posted them on BSDA...

I will see if I can find the link for you.

[Cindy]

-------- Original Message --------
From:     Danny Shelton
To:     Walt Thompson
Subject:     
Date:     10/8/2006 12:13:14 PM

Gailon,

Walt copied me your email to him.

...

You have expressed that Linda and Arild have passed your "truth" test concerning them being guiltless of having an affair. So much so that you are going to email your results to everyone you can .... I hope that they are believable enough for you to stake every thing you own on the information you have received from them and certain others, because in the long run that could be what is at stake for you. ... but I am encouraging you to get the facts straight before you continue to publish lies. This can have bad consequences for every one involved, including you.

Anyway, let me give you just a few things to think about,

You claim that Linda passed your truth test. Are you not aware that any one who is a polished liar will not wiggle or squirm when being questioned about their lies ... ?

...

The detectives told me that Arild gave Linda a very nice watch as a gift. ...

She never wiggled or squirmed. She was almost convincing to me.

Thank-you for reminding me of this. In fact this very e-mail underscores Danny's factaully challenged status as the watch was a gift given before the Private detectives were hired and Linda put the gift in the Glove Compartment, where Danny found it when he went through the car about ten days after it was gifted. When one is perpetually factually challenged one has a problem keeping the facts straight...

Gailon Arthur Joy

Interesting...

That would seem to be in contradiction to Johann's testimony, as well as Danny's.

[Bob Pickle]

Good question... It's always good to document the things you say and claim, especially when you are calling an attorney a liar, and she has already warned you about such...

Last November she threatened me, accusing me of accusing her or her colleagues of covering up stuff. In actuality I had written about 3ABN and/or Danny, not her.

But as far as evidence for covering up goes, it's a matter of public record. When they filed Save3ABN.com's page on Duffy's letter, they stopped short of putting the whole web page into the record, which allowed them to avoid putting any mention of the Tommy Shelton child molestation allegations into the record. Here's the explanation they gave:

² All of the Attachments to this Memorandum were printed from the www.save3ABN.com website. Because the attachments are merely illustrative of Plaintiffs' points, Plaintiffs have not included every single page of each posting. Rather, Plaintiffs have simply included the pertinent pages. (E.g., as can be seen on the top right hand corner or Exhibit 1, the actual posting is 9 pages, but Plaintiffs are only submitting the first 2 pages to the Court.) Plaintiffs have also highlighted certain portions of the Attachments that are particularly relevant.

So they felt they needed to give some sort of explanation why they were stopping at page 2 of the printout. Perhaps that explanation would keep the court from asking too many questions, but I don't know.

I think this is evidence that whoever wrote up that memorandum and/or prepared the exhibits was intentionally trying to hide the Tommy Shelton child molestation allegations from the court. So I do think there is some evidence out there that at least one of these attorneys or their employees has participated in a cover up of sorts.

[Bob Pickle]

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It is too bad Danny Shelton still holds on to his anger or whatever over the exposure his cover up of his brother's child molestation allegations. And I'd say that so far in this lawsuit, Danny is the one getting burned.

[Cindy]

Good question... It's always good to document the things you say and claim, especially when you are calling an attorney a liar, and she has already warned you about such...

Last November she threatened me, accusing me of accusing her or her colleagues of covering up stuff. In actuality I had written about 3ABN and/or Danny, not her.

But as far as evidence for covering up goes, it's a matter of public record. When they filed Save3ABN.com's page on Duffy's letter, they stopped short of putting the whole web page into the record, which allowed them to avoid putting any mention of the Tommy Shelton child molestation allegations into the record. Here's the explanation they gave:

² All of the Attachments to this Memorandum were printed from the www.save3ABN.com website. Because the attachments are merely illustrative of Plaintiffs' points, Plaintiffs have not included every single page of each posting. Rather, Plaintiffs have simply included the pertinent pages. (E.g., as can be seen on the top right hand corner or Exhibit 1, the actual posting is 9 pages, but Plaintiffs are only submitting the first 2 pages to the Court.) Plaintiffs have also highlighted certain portions of the Attachments that are particularly relevant.

So they felt they needed to give some sort of explanation why they were stopping at page 2 of the printout. Perhaps that explanation would keep the court from asking too many questions, but I don't know.

I think this is evidence that whoever wrote up that memorandum and/or prepared the exhibits was intentionally trying to hide the Tommy Shelton child molestation allegations from the court. So I do think there is some evidence out there that at least one of these attorneys or their employees has participated in a cover up of sorts.

Folks this is what I have been pointing out.

Mr Pickle when called on something responds defensively and says he didn't say or do that, but then goes on and continues to do that very thing.

Obviously he is trying to present and promote the idea that the attorneys are not honest, and that they too are covering things up.

There's no other reason that I can see for Mr Pickle to write all this.



my 2 cents..

[Bob Pickle]

Kind of childish, Ian, to respond to my points in third person.

"Mr Pickle when called on something responds defensively and says he didn't say or do that, but then goes on and continues to do that very thing."

Stop the vagueness and get specific: What exactly are you talking about?

My comments to which Jerrie Hayes reacted last November I believe had nothing to do with Gerry Duffy's letter.

It is always possible that their cutting off the rest of that web page was totally unintentional, and that's why I said it was evidence. It is definitely evidence, that is for sure.

[Cindy]

Kind of childish, Ian, to respond to my points in third person.

"Mr Pickle when called on something responds defensively and says he didn't say or do that, but then goes on and continues to do that very thing."

Stop the vagueness and get specific: What exactly are you talking about?

My comments to which Jerrie Hayes reacted last November I believe had nothing to do with Gerry Duffy's letter.

Of course they had nothing to do with GD's letter,( nor was that the point of my posts) but they had everything to do with you accusing the others side of being liars and covering things up, and anyone involved with them, which now seems to include the attorney's...

It is always possible that their cutting off the rest of that web page was totally unintentional, and that's why I said it was evidence. It is definitely evidence, that is for sure.

It is only evidence of that because you are so focussed now on looking  to accuse and find fault, and prove others guilty Bob.

You are not the same man you used to be, and I think this whole 3ABN thing has been bad for you spiritually and characterwise and brought out something in you more akin to the accuser of the brethren.

I miss and mourn the Old Bob, and find little in common with the new one, and cannot understand the thinking, or the actions, imo it is actually impossible to discuss things with you because you can not address of see the points, nor can you answer questions anymore, except with evasions and diversions from the point, or with more accusations not even related to the issue being discussed. That's how I see it.

I'm sorry if you see me addressing your posts but not you as childish but I already explained once to you why... and this makes twice...

I won't again.