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here we have the very form of the creative word...
« on: May 16, 2008, 02:35:29 PM »

THE VERY FORM OF THE CREATIVE WORD

"Grace to you and peace from the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ who  gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us out of this present evil world, according to the will of our God and Father; to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen."

This is the word of the Lord. let it be remembered, and therefore means more than man's word. The Lord does not deal in empty compliments. His word is substantial. It carries with it the thing which it names. God's word creates, and here we have the very form of the creative word. God said, 'Let there be light; and there was light!, and so on through the whole creation. 'He spake and it was.' So here, 'Let there be grace and peace to you", and so it is. 'The grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men.' Titus 2:11. "Peace, peace to him that is afar off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord.' Isa.57:19. God has sent grace and peace, bringing righteousness and salvation to all men--even to you, whoever you are, and to me.

When you read this third verse of the first chapter of Galatians, do not read it as a sort of complimentary phrase,--as a mere passing salutation to open the real matter at hand,--but as the creative word that brings to you, personally, all the blessings of the peace of God that passeth all understanding. It is to you the same word that Jesus spoke to the woman: 'Thy sins are forgiven.' 'Go in peace.' Luke 7:48-50. Peace is given to you; therefore, 'Let the peace of God rule in your hearts'." E.J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings, p.4.

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Re: here we have the very form of the creative word...
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2008, 06:27:37 AM »

Nice!

A proof positive statement that informs us that demonstrates that we have already been reconciled with God through the Son. Now, if we would only believe it and boldly accept that wonderful promise!
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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 - 1860)

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Re: here we have the very form of the creative word...
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2008, 09:15:29 PM »

Nice!

A proof positive statement that informs us that demonstrates that we have already been reconciled with God through the Son. Now, if we would only believe it and boldly accept that wonderful promise!

So, can I safely assume you believe it was all done at the cross and we can be saved IN OUR SINS?

And therefore, 1844 has no real meaning or purpose and may have never happened, therefore the investigative judgement is not a reality, therefore the founders (Edson, Bates and White) of the Seventh-day Adventist Church were all wet?

And one could extrapolate that you do not believe in the Spirit of Prophecy as embodied in the Gift of Ellen G. White and the founders of Seventh-day Adventism???

Just what is the message here???

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Re: here we have the very form of the creative word...
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2008, 09:10:30 AM »


So, can I safely assume you believe it was all done at the cross and we can be saved IN OUR SINS?

Nope, you cannot assume such a thing because I never said such a thing. If you assumed I said such a thing you would be, unfortunately, mistaken. I said we are reconciled unto God through Christ at the cross. We must, through faith, take God at His word that He has done this. We cannot take God at His word without Jesus.

2Cr 5:18      And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Rom 5:10      For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Hath (has) = past tense. Were = past tense. We aren't "enemies" anymore to God because we have been "reconciled" to God through the blood of Christ. How do we accept this fact? How do we accept the fact that God has reconciled us? The same way Abraham did. By faith. We take God at His word.

Rom 4:3      For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Abraham took God at His word.
 
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And therefore, 1844 has no real meaning or purpose and may have never happened, therefore the investigative judgement is not a reality, therefore the founders (Edson, Bates and White) of the Seventh-day Adventist Church were all wet?

Did I say that or make any suggestion or reference to IJ? Who's the IJ for anyway, you & me or for God to be justified? Where does "judgment" begin?

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And one could extrapolate that you do not believe in the Spirit of Prophecy as embodied in the Gift of Ellen G. White and the founders of Seventh-day Adventism???

One could extrapolate that indeed, but they would be wrong and mistake greatly what the SOP is saying.

 Since His ascension, Christ the great Head of the church, has carried forward His work in the world by chosen ambassadors, through whom He speaks to the children of men, and ministers to their needs. The position of those who have been called of God to labor in word and doctrine for the upbuilding of His church, is one of grave responsibility. In Christ's stead they are to beseech men and women to be reconciled to God. . . .  {AG 28.2}

Mrs. White is saying the same thing I am saying, namely we have been "reconciled" to God through Jesus. We must be "reconciled" through Jesus unto God. In the process of reconciliation between two parties God has already done His reconciliation through the gift of Jesus Christ. We must do our part of being reconciled unto God through Jesus by having faith as Abraham did. We must take God at His word.

Having engaged in the work, the amazing work of our redemption, Christ determined in council with His Father to spare nothing, however costly, to withhold nothing however highly it might be estimated, that would rescue the poor sinner. He would give all heaven to this work of salvation, of restoring the moral image of God in man . . . To be a child of God is to be one with Christ in God, and to put forth our hands in earnest, self-sacrificing love to strengthen and bless the souls that are perishing in their sins. {SD 229.4}

One reminder alone remains: Our Redeemer will ever bear the marks of His crucifixion. Upon His wounded head, upon His side, His hands and feet, are the only traces of the cruel work that sin has wrought. Says the prophet, beholding Christ in His glory: "He had bright beams coming out of his side: and there was the hiding of his power." Habakkuk 3:4, margin. That pierced side whence flowed the crimson stream that reconciled man to God--there is the Saviour's glory, there "the hiding of his power." . . . And the tokens of His humiliation are His highest honor; through the eternal ages the wounds of Calvary will show forth His praise and declare His power.  {Mar 362.2}

Man is reconciled back to God through the blood of Christ. We must "reconcile" God back to us through the blood of Jesus Christ.


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Just what is the message here???

I don't know. What message did you receive?
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Re: here we have the very form of the creative word...
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2008, 12:54:16 PM »

Thanks to you both for your comments.

The introductory message from Waggoner does not diminish in any way, shape, or form, the sanctuary doctrine. The end-result of the sanctuary doctrine is a people prepared to face the scrutiny of the judgment of the living which we are clearly told will take place when the mission of the Gospel is completed, at the end of the loud cry. "When the mission of the Gospel is completed, the judgment will accomplish the work of separation." "When the work of the Gospel is completed, there immediately follows the separation between the good and the evil, and the destiny of each class is forever fixed." Christ's Object Lessons, p.122,123.

On account of the merits of the great sacrifice that was made, the Lord speaks to us wonderful words of life. "Grace and peace be to you." "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."

The grace of God that brings salvation to all men (Titus 2:11) and which is exceedingly aboundant with faith and love that are in Christ Jesus (1 Tim.1:14) is imparted to all who are willing to be as submissive to His voice as is the inanimate creation. This is "the true grace of God in which you stand" which is made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God. 1 Peter 5:12.

And the grace thus imparted is in like manner sustained, by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

As we live by the voice of God, we are being prepared for the day of judgment to stand faultless before His throne in Christ Jesus.

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