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[Chrissie]

JL once had a call to conduct a week of prayer in Arild Abrahamsen's home church in Norway. Somehow the call got sour at some point.

Couldn't face Arild after what had been told about him?

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[Johann]

JL once had a call to conduct a week of prayer in Arild Abrahamsen's home church in Norway. Somehow the call got sour at some point.

Couldn't face Arild after what had been told about him?

Or that it was no longer appropriate.

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Quoted post edited to conform with the edit in that post. - Daryl Fawcett, Administrator.

[Artiste]

I recently had opportunity to be part of a conversation with Lomacang and he has the same disease: Everything is Linda's false and only Danny Lee Shelton tells the truth. He
even was foolish enough to question whether the IRS Criminal Investigation coordinator was real and warned the other party that it was part of an elaborate hoax cooked up by Linda!!! I really felt a bit sorry for that poor deluded sole (the spelling is correct) for just a fraction of a second, and then I realized he really needs a new experience!!! Maybe even a new field of operation...somewhere with the status of Siberia!!!

Any chance for a call in NORTHERN Iceland??? Outer Mongolia??? All right, I will compromize...how about Swaziland...even has a King to worship!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

This was recent?

At this late date John Lomacang still believes in Danny Shelton?

And questioning the IRS investigation!

That's just very strange.

[Artiste]

According to Appletree the entire story is absurd...does he know Jensen was the source of this leak? And if it is just subpoena's, they still must be served!!! Talk about expanding the lawsuite, just why would they waste their time when this would be a
public relations disaster??? But, when did that deter Danny, besides he will just blame it all on Linda!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

Speaking of expanding the lawsuit, Appletree's recent threats to make whatever efforts might be necessary to reach ouside the United States and sue Johann seemed to me to be some last ditch and irrational delusions on his part.

Do you think any others at 3ABN would share those perceptions?

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Speaking of expanding the lawsuit, Appletree's recent threats to make whatever efforts might be necessary to reach ouside the United States and sue Johann seemed to me to be some last ditch and irrational delusions on his part.

Do you think any others at 3ABN would share those perceptions?

I do not know. I can tell you that it is not in the best interest of 3ABN to expand the lawsuite as they have a narrow number of issues presently. An expansion would open a new can of worms and cost a fortune.

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Johann]

Who is looking out for the real interests of 3ABN rather than personal pride?

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Who is looking out for the real interests of 3ABN rather than personal pride?

It is the duty of the directors and officers to look out for the real interests of 3ABN. They have clearly decided that hiding the truth is in the best interests of 3ABN.

They have gone to grreat expense to enforce this effort in Minnesotta and Bob Pickles recent summary says it all:

Background
Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc. (“3ABN”) is a publicly supported, non-profit, 501(c)3 organization, and is a supporting ministry of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. From 1985 until September 2007, Plaintiff Shelton was the president, CEO, and managing director of 3ABN, and he remains an influential director of and the only founder still employed by 3ABN.
On June 17, 2004, Plaintiff Danny Shelton in a globally televised broadcast told the world, “It’s your ministry. I’ve said that for years. It’s not our ministry.” He stated that 3ABN belonged to its donors and viewers, that they had a right to know what was going on at 3ABN, that what he did was “very public,” and that “our lives are an open book.” See Affidavit of Robert Pickle at ¶ 1 (hereafter “Pickle Aff.”). Thus Plaintiff Shelton declared to the world his long-held position that the public has a right to know information that would otherwise be private.

Plaintiff Danny Shelton has been the subject of numerous and varied allegations of malfeasance and misconduct, as well as negative internet commentary, long before either Defendant became involved in mid-August 2006. These allegations have included wrongful termination, sexual assault, the ignoring or cover up of child molestation allegations, unbiblical divorce, deceit, and private inurement.
In mid-August 2006 the Defendants launched ecclesiastical investigations into the conduct of Plaintiff Shelton, and began publishing investigative reports in harmony with their First Amendment rights of Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech, and Freedom of the Press. The Plaintiffs repeatedly claimed that they had evidence to prove various allegations false while also refusing to provide that evidence to those who inquired.

The Plaintiffs have taken their attempts at secrecy to such extremes that they have yet to produce one single document in the underlying suit, even documents referenced in their initial disclosures on August 3, 2007. The Plaintiffs have taken the unusual position that everything is either confidential, privileged, or irrelevant. See Pickle Aff. at ¶¶ 3–4, Ex. A.

Once again, he has done an excellent summary.

Gailon Arthur Joy

[J.R. Layman]

JL once had a call to conduct a week of prayer in Arild Abrahamsen's home church in Norway. Somehow the call got sour at some point.

Couldn't face Arild after what had been told about him?

I would suggest that you at least attempt to follow the rules of this forum......as you've previously imposed upon me!

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Edited quoted post to conform to edit in that post and also removed direct response to the original wording of that now edited post. - Daryl Fawcett, Administrator.

[Johann]

Retaliation for imposing the rules on you - after a correction has been made? How do you apply that rule on your forum? Just asking.

[J.R. Layman]

Johann

Retaliation for imposing the rules on you - after a correction has been made? How do you apply that rule on your forum? Just asking.

 

FWIW.....re:"How do you apply that rule on your forum? Just asking."  To answer you, would be off topic and would violated forum rules! here.   FWIW I am an obedient servant of the local rules which apply here, and have no intention of violating the rules..... irrespective of how much I'm egged on!


Sheeeeesh Johann, I'm on your side vs the dishonest activities of DS.....indeed, I consider LS perhaps the sweetest and most charitable Christian I've ever witnessed.
I don't know her personally....but she represents all that good about Christianity  VS Danny, who in my book represents all that EVIL and wrong with TV "evangelist." and Adventism and Christianity in general!  To know LS as a friend ...IMO would be a blessing, you can be thankful she's your friend.

J.R.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

According to Appletree the entire story is absurd...does he know Jensen was the source of this leak? And if it is just subpoena's, they still must be served!!! Talk about expanding the lawsuite, just why would they waste their time when this would be a
public relations disaster??? But, when did that deter Danny, besides he will just blame it all on Linda!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

Speaking of expanding the lawsuit, Appletree's recent threats to make whatever efforts might be necessary to reach ouside the United States and sue Johann seemed to me to be some last ditch and irrational delusions on his part.

Do you think any others at 3ABN would share those perceptions?

I thank that litigating against a retired pastor would be a conclusively fatal strategic error. But,
with no disrespect to Pastor Johann Thorvaldson, it would be fun to watch the fools just try stepping into just such a minefield. Can you imagine the horror of the brethren??? ANd the denominational leadership would be unlikely to continue standing on the sideline either.

My best instinct tells me they are sick of the legal fees and the distraction. Motion hearings are getting very lonely now. Just two lawyers and they seem quite intent on doing whatever they can to keep me from participating in the oral arguments. Actually, the Minnesotta hearing, just across the river from the office of the mighty 14,  and only a lawyer (an associate) and her clerk showed up. Any day now they may resort to telephone conference calls. Then it will be real lonely!!!

I will admit it is much more interesting when you have an audience to perform for. 14 jurors will liven things up.

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Daryl Fawcett]

Were they successful in keeping you from participating in the oral arguments?

If so, how/why were they successful?

If not, then.....

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

No, they did not succeed and we did get in a couple of very clear points that the bench clearly agreed with. The most important being that teh motion by 3ABN's counsel clearly runs contrary to the local rule and the prior order of the court. But, at the end of the day, Pickle's Publishing will be a decisive factor. All I did was neutralize the vicious spoken poison that 3ABN's counsel loves to try to grandstand on.

At the end of the day, it is all about the Law and Pickle has become quite adept at  publishing "THE LAW"!!!.

After this, we go back to Minnesotta and then on to Michigan, Illinois, Washington, DC and California. Oh, yeah, I forgot Missouri and Indiana. Perhaps Wisconsin as well. Have to weigh whether what we get in Wisconsin is worth the effort. We have to depose one of them anyway.

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Johann]

Johann

Sheeeeesh Johann, I'm on your side vs the dishonest activities of DS.....indeed, I consider LS perhaps the sweetest and most charitable Christian I've ever witnessed. I don't know her personally....but she represents all that good about Christianity  VS Danny, who in my book represents all that EVIL and wrong with TV "evangelist." and Adventism and Christianity in general!  To know LS as a friend ...IMO would be a blessing, you can be thankful she's your friend.

J.R.

I suppose not much has changed since then in this area, However, you never know?

[Daryl Fawcett]

I assume you are aware that BSDA closed down?