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[Snoopy]

 
Gailon, do you think that holds true about 3ABN - that anyone who made a contribution may look at the books?  I think I might like to do that.

In the interim, anyone who made a contribution may look at any books they may wish to and determine how contributions have been made and whether they have been spent appropriately. I can assure you we have not even taken in enough money to begin to compare with the 3ABN / Shelton book deals or the cash advances taken or the use of the credit card or the E-bay issues.

GAilon Arthur Joy

[bonnie]

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Edited by Snoopy to remove private names.  Bonnie, see my PM.

Thanks for doing that. Name is no secret but that post was personal, not by someone that does not know me

[Fran]

Today, as I read the current posts, I became a little sick.  I knew the mud would get stronger.  Those standing for Danny will do their best to discredit each and every person on the list of individuals from Bluehost

I expect to be called all sorts on names and they will do all they can to erode any credibility I may have had.  It will not be hard for them to find things to say about me.  See how easy it has been for other to destroy Bob and Gailon’s credibility.

I firmly believe Bob and Gailon have done a wonderful job of discovery and reporting their findings.  I find everything credible.  I believe the emails from Danny and Linda.  Danny is not stupid.  He knew what he was saying and upon reading each one, I found that Danny is a person that is worthy of our love through Jesus Christ.  In cases like this, each of us needs to keep in mind that Jesus died for Danny’s sins!  If he were the only one saved, it would be through Danny accepting forgiveness and turning from those sins.  The same would be for me and my sins.

Adventist Programming through 3ABN is still being used to save souls for Christ.   When this began, I would post pointing out where and how errors were made, and Danny/3ABN would make corrective changes.  I truly felt they were turning around.  Later I learned that not all evil was changed, and that even today there are changes that need to be made, but much has changes since Jim Gilley arrived on the scene.  I firmly believe from the 990’s and Audit reports reflect that certain changes have NOT taken place.  I pray for each item.

We must also remember it is NOT 3ABN that saves!  Jesus Saves!  The Holy Spirit works with each and every one of us in the manor that is necessary for each of us as individuals.

I made the quoted post below, over on MSDAOL.  Maybe it should be here too.  I believe there are some deep rooted strings to things that may have happened when they were children.

We do not understand why some cannot see the problems.   But others see it, but are active in covering up any evil actions because they have many dollars invested previously in 3ABN.  They believe in the mission of 3ABN.  (So do I, by the way)  Therefore, they are doing everything in their power to shut every one's mouths about the evil that has been happening for years.

Then there are other defenders and many may fall into the categories in my post from MSDAOL.  It may help me and others to see what it is that may have happened and the paths through life that each one has chosen.

Jesus asks us, and has taught us,  to love the sinners, but hate the sin.  I am so sorry the courts were the route chosen by some.

What a person learns as a child will have a bearing on their beliefs as adults. Children, who are raised among all the evil sexual things some here detest, can't help but to see it with different eyes.

Many believe these acts take place in every person’s life. It is like, "So what, get over it already!.

Each child from this evil sexual background will have choices to make as to the life path they will take. There are several directions for them to pursue in their adult life.

Some will continue to pursue the same evil lifestyle they lived as a child. They will pursue it with a great passion; while others will hate where they have been and do their best to see that children are made as safe as possible. Yet, not just children, but adults must be safe as well. (Please help by Donating to Polly's Place)

Then there are those that get stuck in the middle. They learn knowledge of truth and realize what went on was evil. They speak and believe what is right, but there is this strong rope that pulls with a super human strength that is evil and hard to explain. The connections to the past are woven into their character. They have not turned the rope over to Christ to be able to let it go. They find themselves falling back into the same evil of their childhood after they become adults. When they were children they were highly desired. In adult life they are drawn to children the same way they ancestors were. They live on vicious cycles.

Then it is found that there are so many with this background problem, that when it is brought to public about one of them, they will defend the others by minimizing their evil actions.

I believe that may be a possibility with some that are die hard defenders of the wrong sexual activities of others.


The problem should be a major concern of every Church in the world! Educate, Educate, Educate! Stop covering those practicing and hiding this evil sin.

I am from one of those groups of children. I have chosen to break the chain cycle! I pray that more will look to the Lord for courage to call sin by its rightful name.

We must remember to love the sinner and hate the sin. It is possible! I know it is possible from personal experience.


Please, come, Lord Jesus!

[Bob Pickle]

So can you produce the email in it's original format where Danny says to Linda, to you to anyone that he intenttionally and maliciously divorced Linda without any certaintly that she had been unfaithful? Can you do that? Right now it doesn't seem as if you can. It seems as if you can only show people a few words that no one knows if they are presented honestly. Makes you look rather weak.

Did you click on the link and read the huge number of "few words" that are in that email? Here's the link again:

To Linda Danny wrote almost a month after the divorce, on July 17, 2004:

[Bob Pickle]

No, SAM, Danny and 3ABN first accused Linda Sue Shelton, banished her, then continued to slander and defame her, Danny divorced her and remarried a new young Filly.

Maybe Sam and Anyman would like you to prove that Danny really did divorce Linda and that he really did get remarried.

[Bob Pickle]

No one was talking about it until you stampeded onto the scene thumping your chest and banging the war drum.

Which allegation was no one talking about until we made it public?

[Bob Pickle]

Response number 1, no you didn't

Yes I did.

response numer 2, weak, if it were it a duck it wouldn't quack, lay an egg, or paddle the pond. Seems like your picking on people who aren't even a part of your whole debacle.

Sure, she's involved. Danny dumped Linda because she talked on the phone too much to Arild Abrahamsen, and yet didn't fire Melody for having an unwed pregnancy, Tommy for alleged pedophilia, and Tammy for an alleged incestuous affair. The huge disparity between how Danny dealt with Linda vs. how he dealt with melody, Tommy, and Tammy suggests that if Linda really had been guilty of fornication, Danny would not have fired her. Perhaps she even would have gotten a promotion.

[Bob Pickle]

Shame on you Bob Pickle. Anyone can make allegations, and spread rumors to others.  I've heard several about you but that doesn't make them true. As anyman pointed out ,what is your motivation for making allegations against people that have nothing to do with you and your cause?

I didn't make the allegations. If you have a problem with them, talk to those that made them.

The obvious answer seems to be that you have such a bitter hatred toward Danny and 3abn that you will try and crucify anyone that has any connection with them.

Not at all. Long ago someone compared 3ABN to Peyton Place. With these kind of allegations spanning 20+ years, sounds like a fitting comparison.

God's remnant church doesn't need rampant, flagrant, undisciplined immorality connected to a supporting ministry.

If you ever had half a chance of being believed and having credibility to those in the Adventist churches, you are blowing it all when you make accusations towards those that have nothing to do with your "so called" cause.

The way Danny dealt with Tammy Chance's alleged incestuous affair is relevant to the question of his competence and moral qualifications of running such an important ministry as 3ABN.

If every allegation you make is true, do you know if repentance has been made, forgiveness given, wrongs made right as they possibly can be?

That's an excellent question. If the allegation is true, has Tammy repented? Excellent question.

Still, if Linda could get dumped for talking too long on the telephone, if we apply the same standard to Tammy, Tammy would never have been able to come close to being on the air again at 3ABN, even if she had repented. So my gut feeling is that we may have another example of Danny's lack of concern regarding vile sin in the camp.

If you don't have the answer to these questions you have no business repeating anything about anybody in the first place.  Ever read "he who is without sin cast the first stone?"

If you are insinuating that I led Tammy Chance into sin and am thus disqualified from casting the first stone, that suggestion is preposterous.

So, should 3abn start calling people in your past, churches you have been a member of, people you have had trouble with so they can start digging up your dirt and then, make it public?

Interesting you should ask. Ronnie Shelton asked that too. Are you Ronnie? If so, that might explain why you are getting bent out of shape.

Now let's ask ourselves ,if rumors 3abn heard about you, turned out to be true, should you be held responsible for any shortcomings of your family members or friends? That is where you are putting Danny.

My family members don't run a huge supporting ministry. None of them have been accused of incestuous affairs, pedophilia, or divorcing their spouse for talking too long on the telephone. None of them have been accused of retaliatory firings of whistle blowers, tax fraud, private inurement, vindictive, frivolous lawsuits, and the like.

Anyone that you make allegations towards, in your mind, leads back to Danny. Somehow he is responsible for the actions of others.

No, he is responsible for his own actions of not investigating and dealing with serious allegations of immorality and the like.

Most in leadership positions that I have talked to don't want to read anything that you have written but if they have, they see exactly how flawed your logic is, and how your thoughts are on evil continually.

I don't believe you, unless you have confined your discussions to church leaders who are as liberal as Pastor Ronnie Shelton or his wife Teresa may be when it comes to appropriately dealing with those who have a "sexual orientation" of homosexuality or pedophilia.

Those that don't hate you, feel sorry for you. They worry for your soul because of the hatred and mean spirit that you operate with. Bob, for your own sake, take off the blinders, see what you are doing to others. 

No hatred here. Just concern. And concern about your soul, Sam. True, Bible-believing, Bible-following Adventists don't get all bent out of shape and attack someone who is concerned about pedophilia and incest like you have. Come back to the narrow way, Sam, the narrow way of those who believe that all the Ten Commandments should be kept and upheld.

[sonshineonme]

Response number 1, no you didn't

Yes I did.

response numer 2, weak, if it were it a duck it wouldn't quack, lay an egg, or paddle the pond. Seems like your picking on people who aren't even a part of your whole debacle.

Sure, she's involved. Danny dumped Linda because she talked on the phone too much to Arild Abrahamsen, and yet didn't fire Melody for having an unwed pregnancy, Tommy for alleged pedophilia, and Tammy for an alleged incestuous affair. The huge disparity between how Danny dealt with Linda vs. how he dealt with melody, Tommy, and Tammy suggests that if Linda really had been guilty of fornication, Danny would not have fired her. Perhaps she even would have gotten a promotion.

BINGO! 

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Gailon, do you think that holds true about 3ABN - that anyone who made a contribution may look at the books?  I think I might like to do that.

In the interim, anyone who made a contribution may look at any books they may wish to and determine how contributions have been made and whether they have been spent appropriately. I can assure you we have not even taken in enough money to begin to compare with the 3ABN / Shelton book deals or the cash advances taken or the use of the credit card or the E-bay issues.

GAilon Arthur Joy

No, they do not actually subscribe to being "open and transparent" as their immutable chairman has claimed...after all, where is all that evidence they had against Linda. They have a vital interest in self preservation to roll out the evidence and fire back and they just don't have it in them. Of course, they claim a sanctimoniuos attitude, but then file suite to prevent the investigation from continuing and the disclosure from seeing the light of day.

The reality is now clear...like theior statements, their evidence is "factually challenged" and best described as another Danny Dream!!!

The same thing goes for the books...they claim their attorneys gave a clean bill of health and their auditors did the same. But, they have not discovered to us or to the courts any "clean bill of health" and refuse to discover the auditors records. One must assume these are deficient as well given the recent complaint to the board by a former financial staffer and a seperate complaint to the Illinois Attorney General.

But, I would encourage you to ask and then report back with your findings.


Gailon Arthur Joy

[Snoopy]

It sounds to me like Mr. Anyman has a bone to pick with Linda Shelton...       

No you are w-r-o-n-g Danny and 3ABN begged and pleaded with Linda to give up her wrong direction and she said no. She decided to pursue her own course of action and she reaped as you liked to put it the whirldwind. I am going to have to get a copy of that book if it really wipes out the 7th commandment, imagine that. Does it really Mr. Joy, is it missing from the book all together? How pompus "That, SAM, my man, is what really happened." Where you there? Did you hear that? Did you see that? or did one of your unamed sources tell you or did they tell someone who told someone who passed it along to someone who wrote you an email?

After reading over at bsda and on that site that you an Mr; Pickle run it would look to any rational, conservative minded individual that y'all made it public. No one was talking about it until you stampeded onto the scene thumping your chest and banging the war drum.

Sounds like all you got are a handful of disgruntled people with questionable connections who figured you would make enough noise for them that they wouldn't have to be responsible for their words. I noticed you didn't talk over at bsda but sent people to talk for you. So how come you are talking here?

[Bob Pickle]

I don't believe you, unless you have confined your discussions to church leaders who are as liberal as Pastor Ronnie Shelton or his wife Teresa may be when it comes to appropriately dealing with those who have a "sexual orientation" of homosexuality or pedophilia.

I would like to know if Ronnie or Teresa were referring to Tommy's orientation toward men or toward children when those comments were made on BlackSDA. Do you know, Sam or anyman?

[Cindy]

It sounds to me like Mr. Anyman has a bone to pick with Linda Shelton...       

That's right you don't know. you weren't privy to all the communications and meetings with Linda. You weren't in the 3abn board meetings, you weren't in on the Church discipline meetings...  They handled their business, and frankly it really isn't anyone elses business.

And respectfully snoopy, I have to disagree with you, it doesn't sound like Linda is the focus of Mr anyman's wrath to me.  Pickle, Joy and Co. brought her up... It sounds to me like Mr. anyman is "replying" and disagreeing with and has a bone to pick with what is being falsely reported here by others (Pickle, Joy and Co.) who also weren't there and also don't know...

No you are w-r-o-n-g Danny and 3ABN begged and pleaded with Linda to give up her wrong direction and she said no. She decided to pursue her own course of action and she reaped as you liked to put it the whirldwind. I am going to have to get a copy of that book if it really wipes out the 7th commandment, imagine that. Does it really Mr. Joy, is it missing from the book all together? How pompus "That, SAM, my man, is what really happened." Where you there? Did you hear that? Did you see that? or did one of your unamed sources tell you or did they tell someone who told someone who passed it along to someone who wrote you an email?

After reading over at bsda and on that site that you an Mr; Pickle run it would look to any rational, conservative minded individual that y'all made it public. No one was talking about it until you stampeded onto the scene thumping your chest and banging the war drum.

Sounds like all you got are a handful of disgruntled people with questionable connections who figured you would make enough noise for them that they wouldn't have to be responsible for their words. I noticed you didn't talk over at bsda but sent people to talk for you. So how come you are talking here?

[Cindy]

Gailon, do you think that holds true about 3ABN - that anyone who made a contribution may look at the books?  I think I might like to do that.

In the interim, anyone who made a contribution may look at any books they may wish to and determine how contributions have been made and whether they have been spent appropriately. I can assure you we have not even taken in enough money to begin to compare with the 3ABN / Shelton book deals or the cash advances taken or the use of the credit card or the E-bay issues.

GAilon Arthur Joy

No, they do not actually subscribe to being "open and transparent" as their immutable chairman has claimed...after all, where is all that evidence they had against Linda. They have a vital interest in self preservation to roll out the evidence and fire back and they just don't have it in them. Of course, they claim a sanctimoniuos attitude, but then file suite to prevent the investigation from continuing and the disclosure from seeing the light of day.

The reality is now clear...like theior statements, their evidence is "factually challenged" and best described as another Danny Dream!!!

The same thing goes for the books...they claim their attorneys gave a clean bill of health and their auditors did the same. But, they have not discovered to us or to the courts any "clean bill of health" and refuse to discover the auditors records. One must assume these are deficient as well given the recent complaint to the board by a former financial staffer and a seperate complaint to the Illinois Attorney General.

But, I would encourage you to ask and then report back with your findings.


Gailon Arthur Joy

I would also encourage you to check with other independant ministries and ask them if you can see their books and also report their answers back here...

Mr Joy, who as we know has a proven, not 'alleged" history of financial impropriaties (embezzlement) has so far refused to open his books up too...

I would encourage you to ask him why he doesn't lead by example and be "open and transparent" with his donors, (re Pickle- Joy defense fund) and do so.

For it appears from PACER documents, that after already being found in contempt once, he again disobeyed a court order and was less than forthcoming and prevented the 2004examination the court ordered from proceeding...

5. Furthermore, pursuant to an Order of the Court entered on March 3, 2008,
3ABN issued a Subpoena to the Debtor regarding the production of documents
and to conduct a Rule 2004 Examination. That Examination was scheduled for April 15, 2008. Notwithstanding that the Subpoena requested that documents were to be produced several days earlier, the Debtor did not produce any documents until he arrived for the April 15th Examination. Furthermore, 3ABN states that the documents the Debtor did produce were minimal and not responsive to the scope of the request. Accordingly, as 3ABN did not have any substantive documents to review, the Examination did not go forward.
3ABN is exploring its options with respect to its perception regarding the
Debtor's lack of cooperation, and the rescheduling of the Rule 2004
Examination....

[Cindy]

Shame on you Bob Pickle. Anyone can make allegations, and spread rumors to others.  I've heard several about you but that doesn't make them true. As anyman pointed out ,what is your motivation for making allegations against people that have nothing to do with you and your cause?

I didn't make the allegations. If you have a problem with them, talk to those that made them.

How would we do so, as Mr Pickle just keeps repeating malicious slander and dirt which he hears from others, and doesn't ever tell us who "them" is???

For example no one but Mr Pickle has posted any allegations about Tammy Chance and he has done so repeatedly...and that is what he was being found in fault for here. I also say "For shame"

Yet he claims he didn't make the allegations...

If he is talebearing, and repeating gossip and lies... and publishing and announcing them to all, then HE IS MAKING THE ALLEGATIONS. Don't be confused folks. He himself is responsible and accountable in the eyes of God
and no amount of squirming nor games with words is going to change that.
And those who back him and defend him are all equally accountable. This isn't funny, it is not kind and it is not love.

Look at what he said here:
"The way Danny dealt with Tammy Chance's alleged incestuous affair is relevant to the question of his competence and moral qualifications of running such an important ministry as 3ABN."

He is finnding fault with DS here for how he dealt with something which he claims is "alleged" and offers no proof that it ever came up with DS, or was dealt with, or even occured, much less, that it was dealt with the wrong way.

Folks, this is absolutely absurd!  these accusations and condemnations of Danny Shelton have gone way beyond what is considered sane or rational.


Now Danny's sister like so many others such as his daughter, has been added to the list of those Pickle acts toward while thinking he is doing God service.

And I do not say that lightly.

character assassination is equal to murder in my book.

Whatever the deal with Melody's baby, She has hurt nor caused no harm to any, esp Mr Pickle, and I do NOT think she needs to be crucified nor sacrificed because of it.  It is public knowledge she was rebaptised along with her husband at that time.  The bottom line here is does the blood of Christ cover any sin she may or may not have committed?

because if it does, no one would dare accuse her with her past, or any other after that in regards to how they dealt with that, except the accuser of the brethren.

And people if the blood of Christ is lacking here and does not cover Melody's past, or that of any other who has repented and given themselves to the Lord, then we are all in serious trouble!

Folks, the end does not justify the means, and what is being said and done here is wrong, just as so much before this has been.


Who will Pickle assassinate and attack next?

It never seems to end with him... 

Nor does your tolerance and condoning by turning your eyes away or by your silence, or lack of action, and even unbelievably some's verbal/written defense of such.

for shame on you all.