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[Bob Pickle]

If you can, just turn your statement around.  Danny/3abn has been accused.  THEY HAVE NOT BEEN FOUND GUILTY!  I believe God would expect you to have the same standards for all here.  Not double standards.

There is no double standard in this instance. I have said there were allegations, and that Danny Shelton covered up those allegations. That much is for certain.

The allegations do not have to be proven in order for them to exist and to be covered up.

Ian tried to make that logic be the same as my being guilty simply because I am accused. There really is no comparison.

Tommy has been accused, and Danny covered up those allegations. Pure and simple.

[anyman]

Isn't J. Gilley supposed to be in charge?

If so, I am extremely dissapointed in this move to pursue Linda and
keep this going.  Seems to me that Gilley kept mentioning about
moving forward and the future... yadda yadda yadda.

This gives me much reason to question Gilley's motives and his
ability to tell the truth.

I for one will not contribute on CENT to 3abn and encourage all
I know to do the same.

Shame on you!

I checked yesterday, and Danny Shelton is still scheduled to participate in this year's 10 Commandment weekend, even though he's been caught telling falsehoods under oath and admitted divorcing Linda without knowing whether she had committed fornication.

Tammy Chance is also listed as participating, even with the allegations that she had an incestuous affair with a cousin.

My big question is if Danny and Tammy can still participate, why can't Linda? Why the difference in how allegations of commandment breaking are handled? And why is this difference still going on under the new administration?

Have spent time reading stuff at bsda and at your website Mr. Pickle. and for you to make this claim is rather laughable. I would like you to show us all in your very first response to this post and not playing ring around the rosy for five or six before you do, where Danny says this. Not your interpretation of his emails or letters or comments on TV. What do you have where Danny says exactly what you are accusing him of. Where does he say something like, "I divorced Linda even though I have no proof that she gave me Biblical grounds." Something you can post exactly as it exists without your messing with it. After reading a lot of stuff at bsda and your website it seems obvious to anyone that you kind of like not giving people the whole thing and then telling them what everything means. That kind of reminds me of a big fish legend. Everyone has seen it, almost caught it, but they have nothign to support their claims and they expect you to take their word for it. So, I challenge you to produce something that you haven't messed with that says what you claim above and I mean the stuff that is bold above.

Who is Tammy Chance and what does she have to do with anything she isn't suing you or that Mr. Joy seems like a lot of blah blah, "I don't like the fact that no one will let me in the SDA good boys club, that's ASI, and I am going to get back at people for it". If she isn't suing her seems like you should leave her alone.

[anyman]

Oh yea Mr. Pickle there are a couple of times people have suggested that there might be a personal tie between you and all of this obssession with Tommy Shelton and you haven't answered. It might be of benefit to people if you come clean on that and indiciate if you have a personal experience that might make you harp on that one issue more than all the others.

If you can, just turn your statement around.  Danny/3abn has been accused.  THEY HAVE NOT BEEN FOUND GUILTY!  I believe God would expect you to have the same standards for all here.  Not double standards.

There is no double standard in this instance. I have said there were allegations, and that Danny Shelton covered up those allegations. That much is for certain.

The allegations do not have to be proven in order for them to exist and to be covered up.

Ian tried to make that logic be the same as my being guilty simply because I am accused. There really is no comparison.

Tommy has been accused, and Danny covered up those allegations. Pure and simple.

[bonnie]

Oh yea Mr. Pickle there are a couple of times people have suggested that there might be a personal tie between you and all of this obssession with Tommy Shelton and you haven't answered. It might be of benefit to people if you come clean on that and indicate if you have a personal experience that might make you harp on that one issue more than all the others.

Bob Pickle can speak for himself as to personal experience,but I find this completely insulting to any of us that have an interest in preventing abuse and preventing the coverup of complaints. There are those that have suffered abuse, particularily as children, that become actively involved in working towards prevention and support for others. There are others that have the ability to care and not want abuse for others,PERIOD. No hidden agenda, no secrets to hide, just enough compassion and conscience to do what they can.

When our situation blew up in our face, it was not child abuse. I soon came in contact with those that had been horribly abused as very young children and as vulnerable young adults. I have been active and interested since.

Would I remain quiet if I had good cause to believe there had been abuse?? NOT ON YOUR LIFE
Would I remain quiet if I knew allegations were being ignored and covered up. NOT IN THIS LIFETIME.

And no, Mr. Ficticous AnyMan, I was not abused as a child, nor at any time in my life in this way. It has been circulated that is so,but blatanly false and done with the thought in mind to hopefully diminish anything those like myself say. Quite Frankly, I believe that is what you hope to accommplish.
Back to the issue, were there allegations, did TS write this so called confession and repentence, when did DS know and exactly what steps did he take upon learning of this?

You do not have to be abused to want abuse and the cover-up of allegations to stop

[scratsmom]

Isn't J. Gilley supposed to be in charge?

If so, I am extremely dissapointed in this move to pursue Linda and
keep this going.  Seems to me that Gilley kept mentioning about
moving forward and the future... yadda yadda yadda.

This gives me much reason to question Gilley's motives and his
ability to tell the truth.

I for one will not contribute on CENT to 3abn and encourage all
I know to do the same.

Shame on you!

I checked yesterday, and Danny Shelton is still scheduled to participate in this year's 10 Commandment weekend, even though he's been caught telling falsehoods under oath and admitted divorcing Linda without knowing whether she had committed fornication.

Tammy Chance is also listed as participating, even with the allegations that she had an incestuous affair with a cousin.

My big question is if Danny and Tammy can still participate, why can't Linda? Why the difference in how allegations of commandment breaking are handled? And why is this difference still going on under the new administration?

Have spent time reading stuff at bsda and at your website Mr. Pickle. and for you to make this claim is rather laughable. I would like you to show us all in your very first response to this post and not playing ring around the rosy for five or six before you do, where Danny says this. Not your interpretation of his emails or letters or comments on TV. What do you have where Danny says exactly what you are accusing him of. Where does he say something like, "I divorced Linda even though I have no proof that she gave me Biblical grounds." Something you can post exactly as it exists without your messing with it. After reading a lot of stuff at bsda and your website it seems obvious to anyone that you kind of like not giving people the whole thing and then telling them what everything means. That kind of reminds me of a big fish legend. Everyone has seen it, almost caught it, but they have nothign to support their claims and they expect you to take their word for it. So, I challenge you to produce something that you haven't messed with that says what you claim above and I mean the stuff that is bold above.

Who is Tammy Chance and what does she have to do with anything she isn't suing you or that Mr. Joy seems like a lot of blah blah, "I don't like the fact that no one will let me in the SDA good boys club, that's ASI, and I am going to get back at people for it". If she isn't suing her seems like you should leave her alone.

Anyman, when you show us where Linda says she committed spiritual adultery, (without a lot of "messing with it" to make it look that way), you can then make this demand. Until then, your indignation has a very hollow ring to it.

[Bob Pickle]

I would like you to show us all in your very first response to this post and not playing ring around the rosy for five or six before you do, where Danny says this.

I already showed that, and gave the quote perhaps six times in a row, putting the word "if" in bold and a larger font.

Who is Tammy Chance ...

Tammy is Danny's sister. Thus out of the family of 5 siblings, there are serious allegations of immorality against at least three.

[Bob Pickle]

Oh yea Mr. Pickle there are a couple of times people have suggested that there might be a personal tie between you and all of this obssession with Tommy Shelton and you haven't answered. It might be of benefit to people if you come clean on that and indiciate if you have a personal experience that might make you harp on that one issue more than all the others.

So do you have personal ties that would drive you to attack those concerned about allegations of vile sin and perversity? What personal experiences have you had that would lead you to do such?

[Bob Pickle]

Anyman, here it is:

1. You have stated repeatedly that Danny ADMITTED having no biblical grounds for divorce.  I have found that to be totally false.

I will do one more.

How have you found that to be totally false? Are you suggesting that that email was forged, and that Danny never wrote it? Or are you suggesting that Danny lied? On what basis do you make such a statement?

To Linda Danny wrote almost a month after the divorce, on July 17, 2004:

... you will, if you have not already, end up in bed with him.

... you will, if you have not already, end up in bed with him.

... you will, if you have not already, end up in bed with him.

... you will, if you have not already, end up in bed with him.

... you will, if you have not already, end up in bed with him.

... you will, if you have not already, end up in bed with him.

... you will, if you have not already, end up in bed with him.

... you will, if you have not already, end up in bed with him.

Danny has a number of times given evidence that he is a liar, but on this one I choose to believe Danny: He didn't know almost a month after his divorce whether Linda had committed fornication with the doctor. That's what he said, plain and simple.

[bonnie]

Oh yea Mr. Pickle there are a couple of times people have suggested that there might be a personal tie between you and all of this obssession with Tommy Shelton and you haven't answered. It might be of benefit to people if you come clean on that and indiciate if you have a personal experience that might make you harp on that one issue more than all the others.

So do you have personal ties that would drive you to attack those concerned about allegations of vile sin and perversity? What personal experiences have you had that would lead you to do such?

Why would it matter except in the hands of those that blame the victim?
This is one of the most frequent forms of attack to silence either a victim or someone they hope is hiding a secret/

Pretty telling to me

[scratsmom]

I am not sure what you are suggesting here, but if you are suggesting that Bob might have been abused as a child, and that would explain his "obsession" with the topic, I am amazed. Actually, I shouldn't be. If that is what you meant, it just proves that the TS and DS supporters, on the whole, seem to have a blind spot on this topic that is consistent with a lack of education about abuse, and very possibly an environment where abuse has been so common that they literally can't understand what the big deal is.

"Come clean"?? COME CLEAN? I don't know Bob, but even if he was abused as a child, and wanted to discuss it, it would not be called coming clean. That is what someone does who has done something wrong and has hidden it. Again, a seeming invalidation of victimization and a tinge of superiority towards them and their concerns and opinions. I guess if standing up against abuse is "harping", we could start a harp orchestra here...I'm in. 
scratsmom

Oh yea Mr. Pickle there are a couple of times people have suggested that there might be a personal tie between you and all of this obssession with Tommy Shelton and you haven't answered. It might be of benefit to people if you come clean on that and indiciate if you have a personal experience that might make you harp on that one issue more than all the others.

If you can, just turn your statement around.  Danny/3abn has been accused.  THEY HAVE NOT BEEN FOUND GUILTY!  I believe God would expect you to have the same standards for all here.  Not double standards.

There is no double standard in this instance. I have said there were allegations, and that Danny Shelton covered up those allegations. That much is for certain.

The allegations do not have to be proven in order for them to exist and to be covered up.

Ian tried to make that logic be the same as my being guilty simply because I am accused. There really is no comparison.

Tommy has been accused, and Danny covered up those allegations. Pure and simple.

[anyman]

Like I said, avoid the ring around the rosy approach. That is not a response show us the original email, the way the courts will require you to present it. Where is the context because it isn't in your response. This seems to be your chosen approach, mislead the readers by not providing them with what they need to make intelligent decisions. But maybe you don't want people making intelligent decisions as it is easier to pull the wool over their eyes if they just accept what you say as being thr truth.

So can you produce the email in it's original format where Danny says to Linda, to you to anyone that he intenttionally and maliciously divorced Linda without any certaintly that she had been unfaithful? Can you do that? Right now it doesn't seem as if you can. It seems as if you can only show people a few words that no one knows if they are presented honestly. Makes you look rather weak.

Anyman, here it is:

1. You have stated repeatedly that Danny ADMITTED having no biblical grounds for divorce.  I have found that to be totally false.

I will do one more.

How have you found that to be totally false? Are you suggesting that that email was forged, and that Danny never wrote it? Or are you suggesting that Danny lied? On what basis do you make such a statement?

To Linda Danny wrote almost a month after the divorce, on July 17, 2004:

... you will, if you have not already, end up in bed with him.

... you will, if you have not already, end up in bed with him.

... you will, if you have not already, end up in bed with him.

... you will, if you have not already, end up in bed with him.

... you will, if you have not already, end up in bed with him.

... you will, if you have not already, end up in bed with him.

... you will, if you have not already, end up in bed with him.

... you will, if you have not already, end up in bed with him.

Danny has a number of times given evidence that he is a liar, but on this one I choose to believe Danny: He didn't know almost a month after his divorce whether Linda had committed fornication with the doctor. That's what he said, plain and simple.

[anyman]

If you take a look at the bold stuff below. Didn't say you were, didn't insinuate that you were and I am looking at what I wrote and didn't say Mr. Pickle was either. I just mentioned that it was brought up and he hasn't made a comment on it. Is he avoiding it? Is he afraid to respond?

Oh yea Mr. Pickle there are a couple of times people have suggested that there might be a personal tie between you and all of this obssession with Tommy Shelton and you haven't answered. It might be of benefit to people if you come clean on that and indicate if you have a personal experience that might make you harp on that one issue more than all the others.

Bob Pickle can speak for himself as to personal experience,but I find this completely insulting to any of us that have an interest in preventing abuse and preventing the coverup of complaints. There are those that have suffered abuse, particularily as children, that become actively involved in working towards prevention and support for others. There are others that have the ability to care and not want abuse for others,PERIOD. No hidden agenda, no secrets to hide, just enough compassion and conscience to do what they can.

When our situation blew up in our face, it was not child abuse. I soon came in contact with those that had been horribly abused as very young children and as vulnerable young adults. I have been active and interested since.

Would I remain quiet if I had good cause to believe there had been abuse?? NOT ON YOUR LIFE
Would I remain quiet if I knew allegations were being ignored and covered up. NOT IN THIS LIFETIME.

And no, Mr. Ficticous AnyMan, I was not abused as a child, nor at any time in my life in this way. It has been circulated that is so,but blatanly false and done with the thought in mind to hopefully diminish anything those like myself say. Quite Frankly, I believe that is what you hope to accommplish.
Back to the issue, were there allegations, did TS write this so called confession and repentence, when did DS know and exactly what steps did he take upon learning of this?

You do not have to be abused to want abuse and the cover-up of allegations to stop

[anyman]

No that is what someone who has been a partner in a public attack on people and insititutions does so that they're motives and intentions give people a frame of reference so that they appear to be above board and hones and, what is it Gailon always says- oh yea transparent. I didn't pass judgment, didn't say he should feel guilty or responsible. It seems as if you don't have any interest in your side of things being responsible or upfront. Have you asked Mr. Pickle or Mr. Joy to provide a full accounting of their spending the money that has been sent to them. Have you asked them to show receipts and explain how the money has been used? Nothing gives you pause about that? There isn't any reason to think that it might be used for things other than the so called inevstigation?

I am not sure what you are suggesting here, but if you are suggesting that Bob might have been abused as a child, and that would explain his "obsession" with the topic, I am amazed. Actually, I shouldn't be. If that is what you meant, it just proves that the TS and DS supporters, on the whole, seem to have a blind spot on this topic that is consistent with a lack of education about abuse, and very possibly an environment where abuse has been so common that they literally can't understand what the big deal is.

"Come clean"?? COME CLEAN? I don't know Bob, but even if he was abused as a child, and wanted to discuss it, it would not be called coming clean. That is what someone does who has done something wrong and has hidden it. Again, a seeming invalidation of victimization and a tinge of superiority towards them and their concerns and opinions. I guess if standing up against abuse is "harping", we could start a harp orchestra here...I'm in. 
scratsmom

Oh yea Mr. Pickle there are a couple of times people have suggested that there might be a personal tie between you and all of this obssession with Tommy Shelton and you haven't answered. It might be of benefit to people if you come clean on that and indiciate if you have a personal experience that might make you harp on that one issue more than all the others.

If you can, just turn your statement around.  Danny/3abn has been accused.  THEY HAVE NOT BEEN FOUND GUILTY!  I believe God would expect you to have the same standards for all here.  Not double standards.

There is no double standard in this instance. I have said there were allegations, and that Danny Shelton covered up those allegations. That much is for certain.

The allegations do not have to be proven in order for them to exist and to be covered up.

Ian tried to make that logic be the same as my being guilty simply because I am accused. There really is no comparison.

Tommy has been accused, and Danny covered up those allegations. Pure and simple.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

If you can, just turn your statement around.  Danny/3abn has been accused.  THEY HAVE NOT BEEN FOUND GUILTY!  I believe God would expect you to have the same standards for all here.  Not double standards.

No, SAM, Danny and 3ABN first accused Linda Sue Shelton, banished her, then continued to slander and defame her, Danny divorced her and remarried a new young Filly. Did so without a biblical basis and then wrote Ten Commandments Twice Removed, emphasis on the Fourth, and threw out the seventh.

That, SAM, my man, is what really happened. And when someone showed up and dared to challenge the annointed, he pulled the biggest boo, boo of his career...took it from a quiet forum with ASI and made it a public matter before a US District Court...although they did try to Sequester the file...can't show anybody the evidence...which reminds me...they still have not produced, SAM...Think they have something big to hide!!! I think most of the evidence was imagination run wild, don't you?

But then, this is not so new...remember Mrs Germaine??? Yup, she had the courage to face the annointed and was quickly sent away...and how many others like her over the years. Problem is
they can't fire us so they tried sueing. What a disaster, what a PR bomb.

And now serving Linda...don't they know when to quit??? Don't they ever learn???

Gailon Arthur Joy

[anyman]

ADMIN HAT ON

Anyman...have you not seen earlier incidents where private names not previously identified are not fair game?  If you, Ian and others insist on this train of posting, maybe we need to go back and reinstate ALL the private names that were edited out earlier.  This is the only warning I plan to issue.

ADMIN HAT OFF



How about this miss *****, how about if you show me where I said this, made the insinutation. or even hinted at this. Where did I diminish a "victims" point of view. It is easy for you to hide behind the veil of sanctimonious piety because who is going to speak out against a victim of a crime, no one with even a speck of sympathy. I didn't say a word about the victims you did. Go ahead if your a victim speak out and file a case. But if your just out to attack without any real form of evidence than don't lecture me.

Oh yea Mr. Pickle there are a couple of times people have suggested that there might be a personal tie between you and all of this obssession with Tommy Shelton and you haven't answered. It might be of benefit to people if you come clean on that and indiciate if you have a personal experience that might make you harp on that one issue more than all the others.

So do you have personal ties that would drive you to attack those concerned about allegations of vile sin and perversity? What personal experiences have you had that would lead you to do such?

Why would it matter except in the hands of those that blame the victim?
This is one of the most frequent forms of attack to silence either a victim or someone they hope is hiding a secret/

Pretty telling to me

Edited by Snoopy to remove private names.