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[Snoopy]

And you need a time out.  If you need a specific rule saying that posters need to respect each other, then I think YOU are the one who needs to think.

I am closing this thread for the time being.

Snoopy,

I have zero, nada, zilch, zip issues with the forum rules, and haven't ever brought that up. The truth is you had an issue, and disagreement with me due to my post to Bob, and chose to make that issue known as an administrator, (while not citing any violation of rules) rather than as a individual poster.

I'm sorry, but due to that I have to submit that the problem may be yours rather than mine.

You IMHO need to think.

Ian,

If you have a problem with enforcement of the forum rules, why not handle it according to forum guidelines rather than making generalizations and nasty comments?

I have already explained to you why I said what I said, yet you continue to force the issue.

I am not sure how much more clear I can make myself.  And, other readers don't appear to be having trouble understanding.  From the tone of your recent posts, I sense you are getting quite frustrated.  Perhaps you might consider taking a time out...??

Snoopy

Maybe I just have a different perspective...

It kinda looks like your are replying to me filing a complaint. To clarify, I didn't file a complaint/report, and don't really see the need to.

In addition I am of the opinion that moderators should enforce the forum rules impartially and without bias, irregardless of their personal opinion or views or agreement or disagreement with the views posted, as the rules have to do with behaviors and not with the personal opinions or views of others, but maybe you view it differently?

Clarifying this would probably help other posters and readers as well as me. 

[Daryl Fawcett]

Re-opening thread.

[Ozzie]

All should realize a Minister standing up to preach on humbleness who states "I am so humble", and gives himself as an example of such,  has proved he is not by his own words... That same principle holds true here.

So if you state that you prize love, you have proven that you don't by so stating? No, the same principle does not hold here because your analogy makes no sense.

"and why should I have to prove that the allegations are true in order to prove that there are allegations? That makes no sense either.
I have already demonstrated that .... knew about the allegations and that he did cover up those allegations, have I not?"

Hmmm...

 does this make sense?

Pickle is ALSO accused in a court of law of defamation of character, and certainly knows about it, but is pretending he's not guilty..[b]Pickle is therefore guilty of false witness and character assasination, and needs to repent, and all should keep talking about himand putting him down and digging up all the dirt they can find on him and all associated with him.
 until he repents, and does what we demand of him???[/b]Will Pickle, or any of you ever get the point?

Ian, when will YOU ever get it, that although Bob has been accused of defamation, he HAS NOT BEEN FOUND GUILTY of such. The evidence does NOT stack up as you are accusing him.

As for your criticism/accusations against the moderaters I find that sickening. This is one Forum, where I have found sincerity, honesty and integrity on the part of all the Moderaters. Maybe, you'd like to have a look from another side or go away and rethink your attitude?

Will you ever get that point?

[Fran]

Ditto!

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

"I will be more impressed IF Mr Pickle can prove the allegations of child molestation  against Tommy Shelton are true and that Danny Shelton, and 3ABN willfully, and in full knowledge of such, covered those allegations, and the evidence and proof of child molestation up, and endangered children as he has repetatively claimed.

His condemnations of others in this regard, mean nothing if he cannot do so..." IAN

Dear Ms Ian,

I believe Mr Pickle has already done that on Save-3ABN.info. But, I will once again offer you that if
you would like a re-iteration of the evidence here on Adventist Talk, I shall be happy to accomodate you. I must remind you that sometimes, you get what you ask for...

The evidence is clearly overwhelming and in many cases far more convincing then what has been used to convict wayward priests.

So, while we are on the subject, can you explain why the references to the Tommy Shelton allegations and listing Tommy as a plaintiff got vetoed and references removed from this lawsuite?

Let me know if you want a torrent of statements and evidence here to bury your ignoring the truth regarding Tommy Ray Shelton once and for all.

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Snoopy]

I sure can't speak for Ian, but I know I'd be interested in the statements and evidence you have collected!

Let me know if you want a torrent of statements and evidence here to bury your ignoring the truth regarding Tommy Ray Shelton once and for all.

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

I sure can't speak for Ian, but I know I'd be interested in the statements and evidence you have collected!

Let me know if you want a torrent of statements and evidence here to bury your ignoring the truth regarding Tommy Ray Shelton once and for all.

Gailon Arthur Joy

I believe that is called "calling your hand", right Habenero?

Gailon Arthur Joy

[inga]

I am not impressed by Mr Pickle's personal accolades anymore than I am of any others.... and I hope you are not either.

Ian, you seem to be reading something that's not there and missing what is being said.

I will be more impressed IF Mr Pickle can prove the allegations of child molestation  against Tommy Shelton are true and that Danny Shelton, and 3ABN willfully, and in full knowledge of such, covered those allegations, and the evidence and proof of child molestation up, and endangered children as he has repetatively claimed.

Even though this has been explained to you in this thread, you still don't "get it."  

One more time (read this slowly, then read it again):
Bob has to prove nothing except that Dan covered up allegations of molestation by Tommy.

That there are allegations is proven. That Danny covered them up is also evident.

These are facts!

The allegations are so serious that -- even an administrator in a worldly endeavor -- is obligated to do his utmost to check out the allegations and to ensure that the person against whom the allegations are made does not regularly come in contact with minors in his employment.

I don't know what the law is in Illinois, but in many places it's a crime to knowingly withhold information regarding such allegations. In some places an employer who allows an employee to be in contact with minors when there are such allegations pending is also culpable.

Christians should be more principled in such matters than those who make no profession of Christianity. Instead, Dan Shelton has actively covered up the allegations and could thus be considered an accessory to any molestations that occurred after his first knowledge of such allegations that he suppressed.
Please note that this is my personal opinion, based on general knowledge. I am not a lawyer. If you need legal advice, please consult a lawyer.

[imagrandpa]

Isn't J. Gilley supposed to be in charge?

If so, I am extremely dissapointed in this move to pursue Linda and
keep this going.  Seems to me that Gilley kept mentioning about
moving forward and the future... yadda yadda yadda.

This gives me much reason to question Gilley's motives and his
ability to tell the truth.

I for one will not contribute on CENT to 3abn and encourage all
I know to do the same.

Shame on you!

[Lil Star]

All should realize a Minister standing up to preach on humbleness who states "I am so humble", and gives himself as an example of such,  has proved he is not by his own words... That same principle holds true here.

So if you state that you prize love, you have proven that you don't by so stating? No, the same principle does not hold here because your analogy makes no sense.

"and why should I have to prove that the allegations are true in order to prove that there are allegations? That makes no sense either.
I have already demonstrated that .... knew about the allegations and that he did cover up those allegations, have I not?"

Hmmm...

 does this make sense?

Pickle is ALSO accused in a court of law of defamation of character, and certainly knows about it, but is pretending he's not guilty..[b]Pickle is therefore guilty of false witness and character assasination, and needs to repent, and all should keep talking about himand putting him down and digging up all the dirt they can find on him and all associated with him.
 until he repents, and does what we demand of him???[/b]Will Pickle, or any of you ever get the point?

Ian, when will YOU ever get it, that although Bob has been accused of defamation, he HAS NOT BEEN FOUND GUILTY of such. The evidence does NOT stack up as you are accusing him.

As for your criticism/accusations against the moderaters I find that sickening. This is one Forum, where I have found sincerity, honesty and integrity on the part of all the Moderaters. Maybe, you'd like to have a look from another side or go away and rethink your attitude?

Will you ever get that point?

I too will have to ditto this.

[Snoopy]

I was thinking the same thing, imagrandpa.  Apparently the new administration is just more of the old.  It is very disappointing, in my opinion, as I had high hopes there would be change.

Isn't J. Gilley supposed to be in charge?

If so, I am extremely dissapointed in this move to pursue Linda and
keep this going.  Seems to me that Gilley kept mentioning about
moving forward and the future... yadda yadda yadda.

This gives me much reason to question Gilley's motives and his
ability to tell the truth.

I for one will not contribute on CENT to 3abn and encourage all
I know to do the same.

Shame on you!

[Bob Pickle]

Isn't J. Gilley supposed to be in charge?

If so, I am extremely dissapointed in this move to pursue Linda and
keep this going.  Seems to me that Gilley kept mentioning about
moving forward and the future... yadda yadda yadda.

This gives me much reason to question Gilley's motives and his
ability to tell the truth.

I for one will not contribute on CENT to 3abn and encourage all
I know to do the same.

Shame on you!

I checked yesterday, and Danny Shelton is still scheduled to participate in this year's 10 Commandment weekend, even though he's been caught telling falsehoods under oath and admitted divorcing Linda without knowing whether she had committed fornication.

Tammy Chance is also listed as participating, even with the allegations that she had an incestuous affair with a cousin.

My big question is if Danny and Tammy can still participate, why can't Linda? Why the difference in how allegations of commandment breaking are handled? And why is this difference still going on under the new administration?

[sonshineonme]

Isn't J. Gilley supposed to be in charge?

If so, I am extremely dissapointed in this move to pursue Linda and
keep this going.  Seems to me that Gilley kept mentioning about
moving forward and the future... yadda yadda yadda.

This gives me much reason to question Gilley's motives and his
ability to tell the truth.

I for one will not contribute on CENT to 3abn and encourage all
I know to do the same.

Shame on you!

I checked yesterday, and Danny Shelton is still scheduled to participate in this year's 10 Commandment weekend, even though he's been caught telling falsehoods under oath and admitted divorcing Linda without knowing whether she had committed fornication.

Tammy Chance is also listed as participating, even with the allegations that she had an incestuous affair with a cousin.

My big question is if Danny and Tammy can still participate, why can't Linda? Why the difference in how allegations of commandment breaking are handled? And why is this difference still going on under the new administration?

A bigger question might be, their "sins" can be proven, what Linda has been accused of can not, and yet they go on and she does not.
I believe the Lord saw this coming, and got Linda out of there. Naturally, she will be the "reason" for all that's happened to 3abn, as the attention always has to be off the people causing the problems, and on a scapegoat.

It still goes on because when in Rome....

[Sam]

Pickle is ALSO accused in a court of law of defamation of character, and certainly knows about it, but is pretending he's not guilty..[b]Pickle is therefore guilty of false witness and character assasination, and needs to repent, and all should keep talking about himand putting him down and digging up all the dirt they can find on him and all associated with him.
 until he repents, and does what we demand of him???[/b]Will Pickle, or any of you ever get the point?
[/quote]

Ian, when will YOU ever get it, that although Bob has been accused of defamation, he HAS NOT BEEN FOUND GUILTY of such. The evidence does NOT stack up as you are accusing him.

As for your criticism/accusations against the moderaters I find that sickening. This is one Forum, where I have found sincerity, honesty and integrity on the part of all the Moderaters. Maybe, you'd like to have a look from another side or go away and rethink your attitude?

Will you ever get that point?
[/quote]

If you can, just turn your statement around.  Danny/3abn has been accused.  THEY HAVE NOT BEEN FOUND GUILTY!  I believe God would expect you to have the same standards for all here.  Not double standards.

[inga]

You know, Ian, Snoopy was correct in calling you re putting words in Bob's mouth ...er ... keyboard.

It may be that the tendency to put words in someone else's mouth should be moderated more consistently, but that doesn't mean there was no cause for Snoopy's warning.

I rather suspect that most folks here would agree with my assessment ...  In some fora arguing with a moderator, as you have, is cause for banning. You might want to think about it ...

Snoopy,

I have zero, nada, zilch, zip issues with the forum rules, and haven't ever brought that up. The truth is you had an issue, and disagreement with me due to my post to Bob, and chose to make that issue known as an administrator, (while not citing any violation of rules) rather than as a individual poster.

I'm sorry, but due to that I have to submit that the problem may be yours rather than mine.

You IMHO need to think.