And that, Mr. Walker, is the issue... you ran at the mouth and repeatedly seek sympathy...none here, old boy!!! You have been adequately compensated and now express a disdain for 3ABN issues, claiming that we should now focus on Dryden...why???
Are you claiming to be a victim here as well??? Nay, simply hostility for a man that speaks his mind...clearly a disdainful rule in your world!!! And you now allege the failure of your old church was the fault of Dryden...a remarkable prejudice built on a lack of reality given your own claim of being a victim and nearly two dozen more that we have identified, not including Dun Loring!!!
Do you really expect us to believe that the underlying issues in those churches had nothing to do with the outrageous actions of Tommy Ray Shelton and the cover-up by Danny Lee Shelton??? And in fact Pastor Dryden is completely culpable? Has Dryden done ANYTHING that even closely resembles the inappropriate actions of Danny Lee Shelton and Tommy Ray Shelton??? Has he dumped his wife and remarried? Has he had inappropriate relationships with other women or men?
So, get on with specific allegations that can be clarified or move on as we continue to focus on 3ABN and Danny Lee Shelton!!! That is a problem that is still unresolved and requires redress!!!
Nearly two weeks later we still await your specific answers!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Gailon: we have given the facts. I have repeatedly asked you a simple question and you refuse to answer. YOU can run at the mouth all you want but YOU will not shut me up. Sorry. Until your a victim and been through what we have, I'd advise you to keep your mouth shut about things you have no idea about.
Gailon: Perhaps you missed my post dated February 23rd. Where I did point out my issues. I also asked you a direct question, which you failed to answer......Care to try again??
Here I will refresh you:
My post dated on February 23, 2013:
Re: 3ABN settles with Alex Walker over Tommy Shelton's pedophilia
« Reply #85 on: February 23, 2013, 02:46:12 PM »
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It may be meaningless to you Gailon, but it is not for us.
So Glenn Filed a complaint before or after signing Tommy's ordination license? He wasted no time sending letters out to fellow pastors about Tommy. Yet he signed his name to Tommy's certificate as long as 5 years after the first letter went out!!.So he sends letters out to churches and pastors telling them about Tommy then 5 years later he signs Tommy's certificate, and you're ok with that? lol. Well I AM NOT.
So was this supposed complaint before or after he signed Tommy's certificate? I'm willing to wager it was before.
I mean the simple fact that a majority of Tommy's victims have threw Glenn under the bus and want no part of him should tell you something! He thinks he's a hero.....huh? Well, most of us disagree.
So let me ask you Gailon. Do you think Glenn Dryden was right for signing that certificate in 2001? Do you believe we do not have the right to be outraged? Some of us trusted Glenn Dryden then to find out he did that are we to just ignore it and keep our mouth shut?[/b][/i]
I mean, how could anyone say they agree it was right? Here is a man who was on Tommy's trail as early as 96 if not before. Then he himself in 2001 signs a certificate allowing him to continue to preach and do harm?
Then Glenn Dryden comes on "ADVENTTALK" and posted what he did on here. But, we shouldn't discuss him?
Have we forgotten what Glenn wrote? I will use quotes and address each one:
"It appears a purported victim, who by his admission was an adult when trysts took place, is attempting to deflect criticism for his lack of action – again, lack of action by his admission. Indeed, a competent adult, had he gone to authorities, it reasonably may be presumed that a number of adolescent victims would have been spared the anguish they have endured."
Now what is he saying here? He is talking about Duane. Basically blaming Duane for the abuse of other victims. Insinuating that there was this "love affair" between Duane and Tommy. Totally ignoring the fact that Duane was a victim himself. Tottaly ridiculous. Is this acceptable? I mean it's a good statment if you're a defense attorney or Greg Simpson. However, Glenn is not a defense attorney.
Next quote:"With respect to the Ministerial Council of the Church of God, Inc., the hearts of the ministers who make up this Ministerial Council are grieved as a consequence of the suffering each victim has endured and continues to endure. As to Pastor Tommy Shelton’s relationship with this organization, I trust the foregoing expression of sentiment is not soured when I say we too were groomed, deceived and taken advantage of. In the time leading up to his ordination by our organization, Pastor Shelton was not forthright with those in the Ministerial Council's leadership. Regarding his past, he was manipulative and misleading. By giving the impression he had been mistreated by some in Illinois, he was able to play upon the sympathy he generated toward himself. It appears he did not withhold information that accusations of some kind had been brought against him in Illinois. He pronounced, however, upon the fact that these allegations were reviewed by law enforcement and not pursued. The impression left was that the allegations were motivated by jealousy and were unfounded."
What is he saying here? He's basically saying that he and the other members of the counsel was victims of Tommy, right? Well let me get this straight, aren't these GROWN men? In his previous quote he basically says that there is no way Duane could be a victim, he actually puts the Blame of Tommy on Duane. So using Glenn's logic how could he and the other members be a victim?Next quote:
" I was serving as secretary-treasurer of the Ministerial Council when Tommy Shelton mailed me his 2001 minister's card in March of 2001. A responsibility of the secretary-treasurer of our Ministerial Council is to periodically issue each minister a "Minister's Card" which states the minister is "in good standing with the Ministerial Council of the Church of God." That is to say the minister is in good standing with the ministers of the organization. Pastor Tommy Shelton had been in good standing with the ministers of the organization as of late fall of 2000 when the 2001 Minister’s Card was mailed to him."
Here he acknowledges he did in fact send out that card. He attempts to make excuses as to why he signed it. So what is he saying? Basically that because Tommy was in good standing with the other ministers he had to sign it? Excuse me why I die laughing. That's ridiculous. Gailon, people, this was 5 years after the 96 letter to Pastor Byron Wood telling them they should not hire Tommy as pastor due to sexual relationships with boys. But here in 2001 he signs it because he's in "good standing"? Well, I for one would never had signed that knowing the allegations of sexual misconduct in the past. It's not the fact Glenn didn't believe the allegations was true, because he did! Yet, he still signs it allowing Tommy to continue Pastoring. Yet, I am to be OK with this? Dennis is to be ok with this? Duane is to be ok with this? Duane is to be ok with Glenn blaming him for further cases of molestation???I know Glenn as does Duane. I know what type of person he is. He is not what he seems. This is evidence. If anyone is OK with this I would like to know who?
But Let's continue:
This was Duane Clem's reply to Dryden's post on Adventtalk.
Re: Glenn Dryden will you resign as pastor of the Community Church of God?
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2012, 07:18:33 AM »
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There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. Not only is he not sorry for his attack on me, he has now repeated it. What a great man of God.
So, you're telling us that Tommy Shelton was in good standing with the Ministerial Committee as of 2001. Is that correct? Could you please explain, then, why you resurrected the allegations in the late 1990s while pastor of Ezra Church of God, even going so far as to issue a letter of apology to the Church of God general offices in Illinois for past actions by the church and some of its members? I do have witnesses who will corroborate what I am saying. You've been caught in a lie, and you're attempting to cover it with another lie. You've started something that you can't control. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
By the way, your attack on me is being publicized.
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Duane is asking a reasonable question here. Why was Dryden issuing letter of appology to other churches in the 90s? Why 10 years later he did he sign his name?? This question needs to be answered.Then you have Bob's reply to Dryden's comments. Bob, understands our point.
Re: Glenn Dryden will you resign as pastor of the Community Church of God?
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Pastor Glenn,
In hindsight, would it not have been better to inform the ministerial council that you could not in good conscience sign Tommy's 2001 ministerial credentials? Then, if they still wanted to issue them, someone else could have signed that card.
Was the letter of apology Duane refers to an effort on your part outside of the ministerial council to deal with the allegations against Tommy? If so, then signing that card comes across differently to me, since you then would not have been ignoring the allegations. Still, in hindsight, I think it would have been wiser not to sign that card.
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See? Bob sees the point. People, this was not a simple mistake.So please Gailon.....Tell me what part should I not discuss about him? He's innocent? So let me ask you again, you're OK with all this? If so......WOW.
Oh, by the way, how come Pastor Arnold Edmondson who was a defender of Tommy and also served as a member of the Ministerial Counsel Glenn mentions.....How come he can appologize to the victims for being wrong, but Glenn can't? Afraid he may be sued? Well, so could have Edmondson and the other members, but he has asked for repentance. Guess what? We have forgiven him. Why can't Glenn be man enough to appologize???
