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[Johann]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/16/african-union-first-female-leader?fb=native&CMP=FBCNETTXT9038

[Daryl Fawcett]

African Union as in a political leadership position, not a church leadership position.

[Johann]

This would have been unheard of just a few years ago, that an African woman is chosen as a political president How does that influence the thinking of people, including Seventh-da Adventists?

[Bob Pickle]

This would have been unheard of just a few years ago, that an African woman is chosen as a political president How does that influence the thinking of people, including Seventh-da Adventists?

It depends on whether we set our standards based on what the world thinks, or based on what God thinks.

[Murcielago]

This would have been unheard of just a few years ago, that an African woman is chosen as a political president How does that influence the thinking of people, including Seventh-da Adventists?

It depends on whether we set our standards based on what the world thinks, or based on what God thinks.

Therein lies a big problem. People with personal issues claim their hang-ups as divine mandate, and as we all know, anyone can prove anything from scripture. The SDA church, was founded by a woman. That woman, held credentials as an ordained pastor until her death, as did various other women. After her death, progressives crushed what was a founding principle of the SDA church, and lied in calling their cause conservative. The PUC, the CUC, and many other areas hold to the conservative view that EGW and the early SDA church was right, where some are trying to deny it, trying to deny the founder of our church the position she held. Who would have thought the time would come when the supposed liberal wing if the church would be having to defend Ellen White and her credentials against what would be revealed as the false conservatives trying to undermine her and demean what was bestowed on her.

[SDAminister]

This would have been unheard of just a few years ago, that an African woman is chosen as a political president How does that influence the thinking of people, including Seventh-da Adventists?

It depends on whether we set our standards based on what the world thinks, or based on what God thinks.

Therein lies a big problem. People with personal issues claim their hang-ups as divine mandate, and as we all know, anyone can prove anything from scripture. The SDA church, was founded by a woman. That woman, held credentials as an ordained pastor until her death, as did various other women. After her death, progressives crushed what was a founding principle of the SDA church, and lied in calling their cause conservative. The PUC, the CUC, and many other areas hold to the conservative view that EGW and the early SDA church was right, where some are trying to deny it, trying to deny the founder of our church the position she held. Who would have thought the time would come when the supposed liberal wing if the church would be having to defend Ellen White and her credentials against what would be revealed as the false conservatives trying to undermine her and demean what was bestowed on her.

Ellen White founded the SDA Church? Well, that's not true.
She was an ordained pastor? Also not true.
Liberals defending Ellen White? My, my, my....

[Gregory]

1)  Ellen White is listed in many SDA publicaitons as one of the "co-founders" of the SDA Church.  There was no single founder of the SDA Church.

2) EGW ordained:  There was no ceremony, either public or private, in which hands were laid upon her.  She was given the credentials of an ordained minister.

3) Liberals defending EGW:  Maybe (?) you do not have a clear understanding of what makes a liberal?

[Daryl Fawcett]

1)  Ellen White is listed in many SDA publicaitons as one of the "co-founders" of the SDA Church.  There was no single founder of the SDA Church.

2) EGW ordained:  There was no ceremony, either public or private, in which hands were laid upon her.  She was given the credentials of an ordained minister.

3) Liberals defending EGW:  Maybe (?) you do not have a clear understanding of what makes a liberal?

Regarding #2, it is my understanding that they didn't have anything for a Messenger of God, therefore, they used that one in its place.

[Johann]

1)  Ellen White is listed in many SDA publicaitons as one of the "co-founders" of the SDA Church.  There was no single founder of the SDA Church.

2) EGW ordained:  There was no ceremony, either public or private, in which hands were laid upon her.  She was given the credentials of an ordained minister.

3) Liberals defending EGW:  Maybe (?) you do not have a clear understanding of what makes a liberal?

Regarding #2, it is my understanding that they didn't have anything for a Messenger of God, therefore, they used that one in its place.

Perhaps not impossible, but is there any documentation to substantiate that?

[Gregory]

Regarding #2, it is my understanding that they didn't have anything for a Messenger of God, therefore, they used that one in its place.

DAryl, there is a pile of SDA Mythology that has built-up to attempt to explain away why EGW was given teh crenentials of a SDA minister.  There isnotsubstantion of any of it and much of it does nto make sense.

1) Take the response above, nothing else to give her.  If that had been the issue the GC could have developed a new credential to give her.  They could have called it anyting--Recognized Messenger of the Lord, for example.  after all, every credential that had been issued at that time came into place because a decision was made to do it.

2) Another myth:  The did this because thay had to do it i order to pay her what they wanted to pay her.  Nonsence.  They could have established a seperate salery schedule for her, called it whatever they wanted, and paid her the same as they paid her with the credential that they gave her.

You get my point?  Just myth, not based upon fact, not substantiated and often not rational.

[Daryl Fawcett]

Isn't there a way that it can be verified as fact or as a myth?

[Gregory]

Common sense & a failure of the records to support such.

When there is a total lack of documentation, one must conclude that it is a myth.

[Daryl Fawcett]

Common sense & a failure of the records to support such.

When there is a total lack of documentation, one must conclude that it is a myth.

There must be records, as in minutes, to document something.   Credentials of whatever sort are  not issued without any kind of a record.

[Artiste]

Common sense & a failure of the records to support such.

When there is a total lack of documentation, one must conclude that it is a myth.

A myth?

You're funny, Gregory.

[Gregory]

Iam using the word "myth" is the sense of sociology.  In that context, myths have value and can be true.

In that context myths are not attributed as being either true or false.