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QuoteIn case you don't know it but there is a law against adultery...You can now get divorced because of it... Wonder why that is??? In the United States, one can get divorced from many reasons that are not against the law.Yes, adultry is against the law in some places and it others it is not against the law.
In case you don't know it but there is a law against adultery...You can now get divorced because of it... Wonder why that is???
Why would it make any difference whether our government was protestant or Catholic? Governments based on either side of that coin have an equally appalling history of oppression and violence against their own people. Claiming to have a government founded on Christianity is nothing to brag about, it is something to be ashamed of.
I believe Christians can vote for Obama because we believe is freedom of conscience and civil rights --completely. Yes! Completely. For everyone. Even the adulterer--who has a legal right to have sex outside of marriage. ARe we rasing cain about that? Certainly not.
Quote from: Barrington on May 29, 2012, 04:33:53 PMI believe Christians can vote for Obama because we believe is freedom of conscience and civil rights --completely. Yes! Completely. For everyone. Even the adulterer--who has a legal right to have sex outside of marriage. ARe we rasing cain about that? Certainly not. I don't think you have provided a rational or logical or biblical basis for your position. "Completely"? So should we have civil rights for drug dealers? Since when is gay marriage on a par with freedom of conscience? Can you name me one sodomite whose conscience tells him that he must engage in the unnatural crime of sodomy?"Even the adulterer--who has a legal right to have sex outside of marriage." Your statement is false. God is the ultimate ruler of this world, and He has said that adultery is illegal. Whether man's governments want to pretend it's legal or not does not change the fact that it remains illegal."Intemperate men should not by vote of the people be placed in positions of trust" (Te 47). If Obama drinks and/or smokes, then Te 47 says we should not vote for him.
Let us say, as Bob has suggested, that God would not want us to vote for any person who uses tobacco or drinks alcoholic beverages. O.K. Saying so does not mean that such is the message of the Holy Spirit to everyone reading these posts.
Intemperate men should not by vote of the people be placed in positions of trust. Their influence corrupts others, and grave responsibilities are involved. With brain and nerve narcotized by tobacco and stimulus they make a law of their nature, and when the immediate influence is gone there is a collapse. Frequently human life is hanging in the balance; on the decision of men in these positions of trust depends life and liberty, or bondage and despair. How necessary that all who take part in these transactions should be men proved, men of self-culture, men of honesty and truth, of stanch integrity, who will spurn a bribe, who will not allow their judgment or convictions of right to be swerved by partiality or prejudice. Thus saith the Lord, "Thou shalt not wrest the judgment of thy poor in his cause. Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked. And thou shalt take no gift: for the gift blindeth the wise, and perverteth the words of the righteous."--Signs of the Times, July 8, 1880. {Te 47.2} Only men of strict temperance and integrity should be admitted to our legislative halls and chosen to preside in our courts of justice.
Many years ago I served as the Director of Temperance in my Conference and as such I was obliged to attend the general assemblies of the National Temperance Association of which we were members. It was often with great suffering I almost suffocated in the smoke-filled halls where the delegates of other temperance societies where puffing their pipes, cigars, or cigarettes. We felt we had a mission there, and we assisted each other in the "temperance" work of fighting alcohol and alcohol legislation.Ellen G White attended and spoke frequently at the gatherings of other temperance people. I do not recall her mentioning the use of tobacco by some people at these gatherings, although she definitely spoke forcefully against the use of tobacco.