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[christian]

Recently, Obama came out in support of the right of Gay couples to marry. In an interview he sited many of the reasons his evolving opinion brought him to that point. First, that he believed after having talk to many gay couples, that despite his religious beliefs, that in keeping with "doing unto others what you would have them do unto you" it was the right thing to do. Secondly, it should lay to rest the contention that he is a Muslim, since I can tell you Muslim's absolutely hate Homosexuals. But in the truth of the Bible homosexuality and all its deviance is definitely a sin. Obviously the man is being attacked by demons and needs our prayers. Now I am left with a deli- ma, can't vote for Romney and can't vote for Obama, so who will I vote for?

[Johann]

Too bad

 

[Johann]

Recently, Obama came out in support of the right of Gay couples to marry. In an interview he sited many of the reasons his evolving opinion brought him to that point. First, that he believed after having talk to many gay couples, that despite his religious beliefs, that in keeping with "doing unto others what you would have them do unto you" it was the right thing to do. Secondly, it should lay to rest the contention that he is a Muslim, since I can tell you Muslim's absolutely hate Homosexuals. But in the truth of the Bible homosexuality and all its deviance is definitely a sin. Obviously the man is being attacked by demons and needs our prayers. Now I am left with a deli- ma, can't vote for Romney and can't vote for Obama, so who will I vote for?

There are times when it may be best not to vote

[Johann]

Bristol Palin Has A Bone To Pick With Obama Over Gay Marriage
Bristol Palin Has A Bone To Pick With Obama Over Gay Marriage

Image Credit: Laura Segall/Getty Images

Bristol Palin, the 21-year-old daughter of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, has another bone to pick with President Obama.

The former ‘Dancing with the Stars’ contestant chastised the president for allowing his young daughters Sasha, 11, and Malia, 14, to influence his stance on gay marriage.

In an exclusive interview with ABC News on Wednesday, Obama said that his daughters “have friends whose parents are same-sex couples.”

“There have been times where Michelle and I have been sitting around the dinner table and we’re talking about their friends and their parents and Malia and Sasha, it wouldn’t dawn on them that somehow their friends’ parents would be treated differently,” Obama said. “It doesn’t make sense to them and, frankly, that’s the kind of thing that prompts a change in perspective.”

In a blog posted Thursday, Palin criticized the president for consulting his “teenage daughters” — emphasizing the word “teenage” — when making “a massive change in a policy position that could affect the entire nation.”

“I guess we can be glad that Malia and Sasha aren’t younger, or perhaps today’s press conference might have been about appointing Dora the Explorer as Attorney General because of her success in stopping Swiper the Fox,” Palin wrote.

Palin then berated Obama for not being an “actual leader” and explaining to his young daughters, whose views she suggested were inspired by “one too many episodes of Glee,” that even though their friends had same-sex parents, “that’s not a reason to change thousands of years of thinking about marriage.”

“While it’s great to listen to your kids’ ideas, there’s also a time when dads simply need to be dads,” Palin said in the blog post.

Palin broke out her skeptic pen in March as well to scold Obama over his decision to personally call Georgetown Law student Sandra Fluke, whom Rush Limbaugh called a “slut” after she testified before Congress about birth control.

“Dear President Obama, You don’t know my telephone number, but I hope your staff is busy trying to find it,” Palin wrote in her blog post.

Palin said she “figured I might be next” to get a call because of the “reprehensible things” liberal comedian Bill Maher, who donated $1 million to the pro-Obama Super PAC, has said about her and her family.

“He’s made fun of my brother because of his Down’s Syndrome. He’s said I was “f—-d so hard a baby fell out,” Palin wrote. “If Maher talked about Malia and Sasha that way, you’d return his dirty money and the Secret Service would probably have to restrain you.”

[tinka]

Recently, Obama came out in support of the right of Gay couples to marry. In an interview he sited many of the reasons his evolving opinion brought him to that point. First, that he believed after having talk to many gay couples, that despite his religious beliefs, that in keeping with "doing unto others what you would have them do unto you" it was the right thing to do. Secondly, it should lay to rest the contention that he is a Muslim, since I can tell you Muslim's absolutely hate Homosexuals. But in the truth of the Bible homosexuality and all its deviance is definitely a sin. Obviously the man is being attacked by demons and needs our prayers. Now I am left with a deli- ma, can't vote for Romney and can't vote for Obama, so who will I vote for?

   I am in the same dilemma.  Who knows, I hear tell that Clinton's now want to challenge Obama and Hillary to run, lol and if that happens maybe Sara will get in against Hillary. Who knows what the sneaky government will do or who has the most money to buy. Pretty much in a shambles this country, and I do not believe it will be any better.

 But...as we are apart of supposedly a group fighting for religious liberty we are supposed to choose the best for as long as we have that choice.  but first the main reason to vote is the way God intended in his views. 

We should not vote for a forced society under a group of socialists or power from their extreme wealth or contributors. (lol so that leaves only Sara in) This country was not founded for the reason of the European countries as they persecuted but was followed in this new land under the disguise of Satanic agencies to spread their Kingly views upon a free people that now is almost gone again and wars of men and women died to preserve.

 Will it be repaired this late in history? I don't think so. In fact all the turmoil, lies, and corruption in the land and "within" God's church as spoken on here is too late to turn back.   In fact the few of SDA multitude or the ones on the right side can now claim as the hero's aboard the plane that headed into the capitol as their destiny closed without no way out... Lets  Roll......  

and OBAMA was not as he appeared and all for the wrong reasons. and if something don't change we are in it again really big this time and very hard hard times.

and Oh yes, the marriage of Barney Franks is now exploited from our government. Has anyone looked at the statistics of Gays being from the other Party. It's not only the government sifting, its the church also. Makes no difference the party or the church, It is sifting away...
 

[Barrington]

It no problem with me about Obama's decision.  His decision does not mean that he thinks it is morally right.  He is dealing with the civil rights of individuals.   Adventists believe that we should have total freedom of choice.  People are free to believe whatever they want--even it is wrong.

[Bob Pickle]

It no problem with me about Obama's decision.  His decision does not mean that he thinks it is morally right.  He is dealing with the civil rights of individuals.   Adventists believe that we should have total freedom of choice.  People are free to believe whatever they want--even it is wrong.

But where do we stop? In advocating for gay marriage, Obama has gone far beyond simply advocating for toleration of those who happen to be attracted to the same gender. He is now advocating for toleration of the crime of homosexual behavior.

So how far will our politicians go in sanctioning other crimes? Will they now seek civil right protection for drug dealers and hitmen who are simply trying to make a living? And if not, what reasoning will they use to distinguish between varioous crimes in deciding which to sanction and which to condemn?

Then there is the very real issue of whether two men or two women are really married just because the state says they are. We cannot lie, and thus if they really aren't married, despite the state saying otherwise, we cannot say they are really married. Will those who refuse to lie be discriminated against?

Perhaps it is like the Sabbath. The state has declared Sunday to be the Sabbath many times in the last 2000 years. But we cannot say it is the Sabbath when God has said it isn't. Now since God is the one who created marriage and sexuality to begin with, I do not see how we can say, "What God has never ever once joined together, let no man put asunder."

But perhaps it would be a good idea to attend some of the mockery weddings that may take place. Then when the apostate preacher asks if anyone knows any reason why the two cannot wed, an attendee can state that the Bible forbids the mock union.

[tinka]

Maybe not in this particular decision as it squeezes into a justifiable  gainsay and truth injected, but the rest of decisions are far from freedom in many other avenues. Soon we all shall feel and see it to be the worst ever as our freedom to choose for our own lifestyles of normality's to live in forced government realms of their so called normality which is entirely not normal - is really what is happening.

Gay marriage a go now is for their vote and other motives not mentioned as sin covers the Sodom and Gomorrah of today  as a lifestyle presented as normal and they force our lifestyle to chance in the schools, work places, and whatever you do as they take over as many offices as they can to spread their abnormalities to normality's. 

It can only stand for so long as the fire destroyed before and will again.
they will be in the sifting too and Obama just helping them along a little more for his benefit although you are right in their freedom of choice.

One motive could very well be in him doing that is this... He knows the evangelicals will now not vote at all for him and is he looking for away out of what soon may be discovered??? or proven??

[Johann]

Here you find a recent statement by the British Union 

and the official statement of the SDA Church:

http://www.adventistinfo.org.uk/about/reference/Statement%20on%20same-sex%20marriage.pdf

[christian]

Here you find a recent statement by the British Union 

and the official statement of the SDA Church:

http://www.adventistinfo.org.uk/about/reference/Statement%20on%20same-sex%20marriage.pdf

You know topics like this one also bring up the overall stance of Christianity when dealing with sin in general. It would seem that the slid down the slippery slop just got slippery. The fact that we have so many divorces which are not biblical has lead to a full out assault on the institution of marriage. The church has turned a blind eye to the scriptures and in so doing has weekend the community too. Obama's stance on gay marriage, though framed as only his opinion gives license to those who would want to flaunt their deviance's. Sodomy is a very nasty thing and serves no purpose but to destroy the physical and mental being. I wonder if what Obama said was put in straight talk like Tinka often says she talks. I Obama agree with putting your stick in the brown hole of nasty should be sanctioned by the country for the cause of freedom. The country would be horrified and the nature of the beast would not be sanitised by the institution of marriage.

[tinka]

Now that is straight talk and very true as I have known several people that lifestyle is of this and all seem to be very "mentally hurt" and it got worse as years went by- meaning their "mental coping" or until nothing is left of normal sense. Only way out is to not think that God condones this "lifestyle" as most have convinced their self that God made them that way. and our medical society likes to help them believe this too.

Tough battle but not impossible. Jesus can help! But some are now where conscience has left and their whole attitude of it is now what they want.

[Johann]

Many years ago Dr. Kellogg wanted to establish clinics for women who wanted to get away from prostitution. It was a surprice to me to discover that Ellen White stopped him. She told him we did not have the right competence for this work, but the Salvation Army were much better at that. So we should leave that work to the Salvation Army.

I got this information from a book I borrowed from my mother (she died 2002) on the life of Dr. Kellogg.

Is there any lesson in this for us today?

[tinka]

A lot of people like to make their own documentaries of what they percieve, not sure I would put any thought too much on what Kellog wrote. Maybe it was true and maybe it was'nt, some pretty bad stories came out of there at the clinic for a while. Some was good reports and some were bad.

did you realize the movie of Sybil was made on a story that came from fanatical SDA family and documentary was made that my daughter watched that was horrific and very embarrassed to watch. I have not seen it my self but it was on some of the same lines of activity. So there may be more reasons then one that EGW suggested to get help elsewhere.

[princessdi]

Ok so I deliberately stayed away from here after the President's interview, because even though I know Jesus, I still only have so much patience for racism and/or willful ignorace.  Pray for me I just don't do well with stupidity.......but in the words of the old James Cleveland song, "Please be patient with me, God is not through with me yet".

Thank you Barrington, for being the bright spot in this.  PLEASE READ CAREFULLY WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY BEFORE YOU TYPE A RESPONSE. 

What Barrington stated is right, but there is more.  We, as Adventist, believe that at sometime in the very near future(especially with current world affairs) that there will come a time when the wrold will persecute those who believe as we do, mainly in the 7th day Sabbath.  This will be almost wholly due to the break down of the separation between church and state.  This will not only include the locking of our churches, but even forcing us to run to the mountains from our homes and our ability to buy, sell, etc.  SOLELY on our religious beliefs.  At this point, in the USA and most of the civilized world, this is not legal, but we believe that will change.

To deny homsexuals civil rights based soley on what occurs in their home and their personal sexual preferences, is not only the government reaching beyond what happens in public buildings such as our churches and what is now guaranteed freedom for religious beliefs, but it reaches not just into someone's home, but their bedroom.  Now, while all the right wingers are talking about government inference and nanny government, this ought to give you serious concern.  but it doesn't because...........in this instance you wouldn't mind just a little mixing of church and state, by having civil laws changed and/or enforced according to religious beliefs. You can't have it both ways, and Adventists it will come back to bite us. You support this and Sunday Blue Laws don't even have to be enforced.  They will have already tested it on the portion of the population that has difference sexual preferences and been successful with our help, how long do you think it will take to get to those with different religious beliefs(actually, that has already started with our help also...think Muslim).  Our civil laws were designed to protect those who are "different".  The POTUS has no choice but to enforce and support civil rights of all citizens.  As Barrington said, He was not talking about his own personal beliefs, but his job as POTUS.  He is the head of our civil government that believes in the separation of church and state, he cannot deny any citizens their civil rights based on his nor anyone else's religious beliefs.  While I believe that active homosexuality is a sin, it is not against the law.  Those of us which are African American would do well to remember that slave owners thought they also were biblically supported to keep us as and consider us  less than animals, deserving of not even the basic right of respect as a person let alone civil rights under the governement. At this point, it makes no difference if you believe they choose to sin or were born that way[as with African Americans without question], no ones civil rights can be denied because they sin.  We don't even dney those who break the laws that are both biblical and civil. Even though prosecuted, they still maintain a good portion of their civil rights(like voting)......they are definitely not denied the right to marriage.

Now, that said, I truly believe that the church ought to go on opposing this sin just as it does all the others, or maybe I should say to begin to oppose this one as they do all others(I will come back to this in a bit).  As a board member, if a gay couple came to ask to be married in our church, I would be the first to say no, and explain that the church could not support that which it believes to be a sin, and guide them to the local court house as a civil[non-religious] union is really their only option, but they would not be marching down the isles of the church.......nope.We are more likely to allow an unfaithful spouse not just attend in good and regular standing, but hold office.  In fact, the only ones we don't allow to hold office is pregnant teens and homosexuals.  We are not consistent and we should be.  There are no levels of sin where God is concerned, and we actually got that from Dante, not the Bible.   Please don't tell me about what God hates or is an abomination, hHe hates and believe those who "sow discord" among the bretheren, and we don't bother to disfellowship mess starters in the church, and they abound much more freely and frequently than homosexuals or pregnant teens.

As I said, Ihope you will all read carefully all that I have said here and consider it prayerfully, and not because you hate anything Obama says, or you see homosexuals as personified sin. 

These are just my thoughts.............

It no problem with me about Obama's decision.  His decision does not mean that he thinks it is morally right.  He is dealing with the civil rights of individuals.   Adventists believe that we should have total freedom of choice.  People are free to believe whatever they want--even it is wrong.

[Murcielago]

Ok, Princess, you make a very good point. Although I am not at all aligned with the Democrats on most issues, I find them far less frightening than the Republican hard-liners who claim that as this country was founded on Christian morals and values, we should have a government that enforces a fundamentalist version of Christianity. Obama has created a backlash that is driving the fundamentalist movement into a more mainstream norm. At this point I fear that he has awakened a sleeping monster that cannot be put back into somnolent bliss. Another specter he has seemed to raise is that of racial aggression. The Trayvon issue, ands so many other factors have awakened something that I am afraid will create a war on the black race that will not end well. Blacks are a very small minority in every part of the the world other than Africa. There is no animosity toward the black race that equals that of the Hispanics. Between white and hispanic issues with the recent surge of black violent crime in various metro areas, the black population of the Americas and Europe is facing something potentially very damaging on a regionally existential level. And within the Arab world, the blacks are known as al abid, or "the slaves."

Obama was looked forward to as the great uniter, but there has probably never been a more divisive president in the history of the US, other than Abraham Lincoln. My fear is that his extremism has validated the opposite extreme, and I believe that the other side is far larger and more powerful.