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[Bob Pickle]

I give you an opportunity to back up what you said, and you refuse to take me up on it.

The only conclusion that can be drawn is that you out and out lied when you accused me of lying. What else can be concluded when you can't give a single example to support your claim?

And how is anything that I said nonsense? Are you trying to say that Walt did contact some of Tommy's alleged victims when he said that he didn't? Are you trying to say that Riva never threatened Dryden, or that his letter was actually forged? Are you trying to say that Hal Steenson never told me that there was a recording? Etc.? Etc.?

What exactly are you trying to say when you accuse me of speaking nonsense?

You love to take every opportunity to spew your nonsense don't you. They say that if someone repeats something long enough to themselves - they eventually believe it is the truth . . . NLP tactics again? . . .

anyman,

Your reply was highly inappropriate and unchristian. I think Jeanette would agree with me on that.

You've accused me of lying. Why not list what you think I've said that you think are lies?

• Did I lie when I said that Walt Thompson didn't contact any of Tommy's alleged victims?
• Did I lie when I said that Tommy was an alleged pedophile?
• Did I lie when I said that Nick said that he was fairly certain that Danny earned several hundred thousand dollars in royalties?
• Did I lie when I said that Hal Steenson said there was a recording?
• Did I lie when I said that Kevin Paulson said that Danny told him that Brandy had been chasing him for 17 years?
• Did I lie when I said that I've talked with 7 of Tommy's alleged victims and the mother of an 8th and an eye witness?
• Did I lie when I said that Mike Riva threatened Glenn Dryden with a lawsuit?
• Did I lie when I said that Gerald Duffy invoked common law copyright?

Name the lies you think I've told.

But really, your reply is totally inappropriate. Rather, you should take a stand for truth and righteousness and conservative Seventh-day Adventist principles, which supports the church's stance that dishonesty in business practices is grounds for church discipline. So misrepresentation in business matters is a serious thing, according to the world church.

[Bob Pickle]

But really, your reply is totally inappropriate. Rather, you should take a stand for truth and righteousness and conservative Seventh-day Adventist principles, which supports the church's stance that dishonesty in business practices is grounds for church discipline. So misrepresentation in business matters is a serious thing, according to the world church.

It doesn't take a degree in rocket science to see what is happening - a little common sense and an understanding of the Spanish Inquisition methods of Mr. Robert Pickle, and Mr. Gailon Arthur Joy allows one to understand why Remnant continues on course.

I noticed that Breezy over on 3ABNtalk has called for church discipline against me for lying. Such a call demonstrates to what lengths this apostasy is going, and how more and more the 3ABN defenders are sounding like Rome of old.

Unlike Danny et. al., neither Gailon nor I have called for the elimination of due process as existed in the inquisition. Neither Gailon nor I have called for procedures in harmony with canon law instead of English and American common law. Neither Gailon nor I have called for extreme secrecy. Unlike the Danny clones, neither Gailon nor I have condemned the other side for promoting the idea that the pope is the antichrist.

But we have Breezy over there calling for church discipline against me for lying when the Danny clones have yet to give any examples of any lies I have told. I must be disciplined for lying. Why? Because they say so. And all must bow to their authority and simply accept their assertions as fact without any evidence to that effect.

What will be next in this sorry saga?

[Sister]

Is Remnant Publications missing at the ASI Convention? They were very visable last year. Why the silence this year?

[Bob Pickle]

I don't know. I would assume they are there, but you don't think they are?

By the way, I'd love to get a program booklet. Can someone get me one?


Steffan came up with what he claims is an example of Gailon lying when he did not mention someone that reported something to the IRS earlier than the fall of 2006. But I'd have a difficult time calling that a lie, and still no examples of me "lying" yet.

But it was pretty smart of the 3ABN defenders to remove the condemnations of my being a fundamentalist Protestant!

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Trying to hide? Nothing! They are doing all they can to insulate the ministries of God that you daily seek to bring to demise. Maybe you should follow suit and put your energies into the spreading of God's message of love, forgiveness, and salvation. Job endured, so will 3ABN, Danny, Remnant, Dwight, the 3ABN board, and ever other individual you have spent your time and other people's money defaming and harassing. Maybe if you didn't travel far and wide harassing people you might find a mission field in your own backyard.

Magistrate Judge Ellen Carmody on July 28 denied Remnant's motion to reconsider her previous order that Remnant produce documents to us instead of under seal to Magistrate Judge Hillman.

Today Remnant appealed that decision, and paid $455 to do so.

What are Remnant and Dwight Hall trying to hide?

Do donors to Remnant think this is a good way to spend their money?

Wendall: Generally speaking fighting a motion to produce documents falls into two categories 1. You have information in those documents that either prove the other parties contentions or the documents reveal incriminating evidence on other issues and possibly a combination of those two. 2. You want to wear down the other party by a. Costing them money and time by fighting senseless motions  b. Get the other party frustrated  c. Stalling preventing other party from making their case
d. Prevent the other party from the information because it might affect another ongoing case.

Anyman, if they have nothing to hide, and we now have even more evidence they do, then they should produce the documents for the world to see...declare themselves exonerated and keep on ministering.

BUt they do and Wendall's summation is the only summation worthy of digesting!!! They cannot afford to open the books as it will cost them and their client, DLS, substantially!!! SO they fight a loosing battle but a battle none the less...and as long as they resist, we will persist!!!

By the way, did you want to contribute so you can claim to be a supporter when they finally realize they are going to have to SING??? Then you could have dogs o both sides of the fight!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Daryl Fawcett]

Is there any update to what is going on in relation to them providing or not providing the requested documents?

[Bob Pickle]

The judge may render a decision on the appeal this week. Haven't heard anything back yet.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

It is done. The Michigan Judge has affirmed the order to produce.

Massachusetts has ordered us to send revised requests to produce and has denied the Motion for Scope and Relevance protection. Therefore, one must assume the judge in Illinois will now have to take up the question of enforcing our subpoena there. The auditors records are clearly relevant and we should be able to get in there sometime in the early fall.

The bank statements now need to be evaluated and put together with the auditors records and the 990's, etc and we should be ready for depositions. Remnant must also produce and we need to move to amend to include DLS Publishing and D&L publishing.

Danny also must produce documents in the Illinois Marital Asset case as well!!! And for once in his life, he will have to produce the same documents for all the courts or guess what? REAL TROUBLE!!!

In summary, IT IS PRODUCTION TIME!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Snoopy]

Uh-oh.

[Wendall]

Here goes that attorney bill on a upward movement.  It appears money is no object for the plaintiff.  Every motion, every trip to court is dollars.  I wonder how much has been spent by the plaintiff in attorney bills.  Keep that calculator handy. 

[Snoopy]

Ah - donor dollars at work.  How sad.

Here goes that attorney bill on a upward movement.  It appears money is no object for the plaintiff.  Every motion, every trip to court is dollars.  I wonder how much has been spent by the plaintiff in attorney bills.  Keep that calculator handy. 

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

OPM is the best way to fund any project, just ask wall street!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Habanero]

It is interesting to read the life of Jesus in the four gospels. He lived and taught concepts that were so appealing to the human spirit that intelligent people have marketed them broadly under the name of "spreading the gospel" ever since his death. Money and/or power have been at the root of most of Christianity for all but 33 years of its existence. Use of Jesus name and words to justify actions that in no way reflect him is pretty much what history tells us to expect of people and organizations whose "ministry" is simply one of words. Yes, there are shining examples of Christianity in its purest form, but other than Mother Teresa most of those will never be known. They do what they do without a thought of money or power and many of them will come into life and leave it without giving a single bible study, doing any music CDs, hosting any talk shows, preaching any evangelistic seminars, writing any books, donating a single dime to any televangelist or church... they simply help people in a real way like Jesus did. It was once said by a man surrounded by the effects of the evangelists and bible thumpers of his time that "The word 'Christianity' is already a misunderstanding - in reality there has been only one Christian, and he died on the Cross."

[sonshineonme]

So well said, and so completely true. Thank you Habanero.

It is interesting to read the life of Jesus in the four gospels. He lived and taught concepts that were so appealing to the human spirit that intelligent people have marketed them broadly under the name of "spreading the gospel" ever since his death. Money and/or power have been at the root of most of Christianity for all but 33 years of its existence. Use of Jesus name and words to justify actions that in no way reflect him is pretty much what history tells us to expect of people and organizations whose "ministry" is simply one of words. Yes, there are shining examples of Christianity in its purest form, but other than Mother Teresa most of those will never be known. They do what they do without a thought of money or power and many of them will come into life and leave it without giving a single bible study, doing any music CDs, hosting any talk shows, preaching any evangelistic seminars, writing any books, donating a single dime to any televangelist or church... they simply help people in a real way like Jesus did. It was once said by a man surrounded by the effects of the evangelists and bible thumpers of his time that "The word 'Christianity' is already a misunderstanding - in reality there has been only one Christian, and he died on the Cross."

[Johann]

From the comments of Copr. 2008, Bruce N. Cameron, J.D on tomorrow's Sabbath School lesson:

"C.   Read Daniel 1:11-13. What kind of attitude does Daniel show towards his Babylonian captors?


"1.   What lesson do you find in this for the time when you face religious freedom problems? (I have clients who think it is part of their witness to "punch" the "opposition" in the nose. Daniel shows just the opposite behavior. Bible-based emotional intelligence requires being polite and as inoffensive as possible. No insults. No attacks. Seek religious accommodation with a kind spirit.)"