No, because it is my firm conviction based on what I have read in our publications. Don't tell me you haven't?
No I have not. I have seen recent claims by David Newman that ordination as whole comes from Rome, but I am disinclined to give such notions any credence.
So you think it is proper to let the Roman ideas rule in our church hoping that a commission one day in the distant future recognizes the dangerous situation we are in? Will you just let Rome rule more and more in our churches until they manage to grab it all?
Johann, if the women's ordination movement has to resort to accusing those on the other side of following Rome, instead of simply explaining from the Bible how their interpretation of certain texts is incorrect, then it shows how weak the pro-ordination side really is.
On another site someone claimed that Paul's statements were based on the culture of the times. I asked why Paul used creation-based arguments. No reply.
Another claimed that not ordaining women as gospel ministers is discrimination. I responded that God was not discriminating against women in Gen. 3:16. No reply, except to say that my exegesis of Gen. 3:16 was very poor. I then gave a SoP comment which agreed with my stance, asked how my exegesis was "very poor," and asked for an alternative interpretation. The lengthy response explained why he wasn't going to respond.
Yet another claimed that through the cross the penalties added down by God at Eden are done away. So I asked why women still have pain in childbirth, and why men still have to work hard to eat, and why women are still afraid of snakes. Several responded about how we can use analgesics to alleviate the pain of childbirth, and machines to make it less laborious to grow our food. Yet the use of analgesics today is an admission that God never removed the penalty of pain in childbirth at the cross.
Over and over again, the pro-ordination proponents on that other site seem unable to reason from the Scriptures in a clear, simple, coherent fashion. But they at the same time are well able to deny the virgin birth, call DA inspired fiction, and say that Bible writers misinterpreted Gen. 3:16.
On the other hand, can you honestly say that any conference or institution has done their "campaigning" in an illegal way, knowing they are in the right?
If they "know" they are in the right, then they are mistaken. Sometimes decisions have been made by individuals who were misinformed. Yes, I can show that it is improper. I will not elaborate publicly, but if you want to call me I will tell you more.