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Alex L. Walker

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Re: Gender Attraction
« Reply #60 on: March 23, 2012, 06:45:50 PM »

This hate towards homosexuality is sick. It really is. I have struggled with homosexuality myself. I believe I have always had a desire to be with men. Does that make me sick?
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Re: Gender Attraction
« Reply #61 on: March 23, 2012, 07:32:50 PM »

It's hating the sin, not the sinner.

And yes, homosexuality is deliberate, sinful behavior. It's a choice of rebellion against Christ.

You can pull this "HATRED" card on me & say "you're problem is your hatred" all you want. But there is no excuse for someone who engages in this type of behavior. It's no excuse to say they were naturally inclined that way.

I love women. But I love and respect my parents and my Jesus as well and I knew I needed to hold off on having sex until I was married. There's rewards in that.
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Re: Gender Attraction
« Reply #62 on: March 23, 2012, 07:45:14 PM »

Call it what you will.  You are making a significant investment of emotional energy in homosexuality.  There is a reason you are doing so.

No, I would never say that your problem is your hatred.

Please note:  I have never excused homosexual behavior.  At the same time I do not roast in hell, so to speak, the individual who is homosexual.


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Re: Gender Attraction
« Reply #63 on: March 23, 2012, 07:49:08 PM »

It's a choice I made, deliberately by God's grace. Anyone could do the same, even if their tendencies are different.
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Re: Gender Attraction
« Reply #64 on: March 23, 2012, 07:52:54 PM »

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I have struggled with homosexuality myself. I believe I have always had a desire to be with men. Does that make me sick?

Alex,  The Christian life is often one of struggle.  Your struggle may not be the same as mine.  But, it is neither better nor worse that what I may have to struggle with.  God does not draw the same distinctions that we often apply to named sins.






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Re: Gender Attraction
« Reply #65 on: March 23, 2012, 09:41:08 PM »

Horsethief: You're comments are unchristian, deliberate, and uncalled for.

Gregory: I appreciate you being the voice of reason, yet again.
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Re: Gender Attraction
« Reply #66 on: March 24, 2012, 07:34:14 AM »

Hi Alex,
You know I am your friend and if I might say something I hope you will not be offended.
If you read back these posts you will see how I (just a lay person of trying to use common sense and experience ) see the situation.

First of all I want to say that when I saw your picture how attractive you are and very much would attract a woman.  Maybe you need to contemplate back to early childhood as far as you can and think of how you felt and when.
Think of how your brother, mother, and father might have related to you if even they did. Were you encouraged to be everything you could be or downgraded, chided, or whatever that took your feelings away? Some of the sympathizers on here said you never told the truth. Well if that did or does not happen then I know for a fact you were in situation at young age that --that scenario "developed" exactly that --if not --something to where you were constantly put down to where as a being of little use. That alone causes a person to lose identity and lose self worth and undermine their sense of "wholeness".  Then comes along a predator and preys upon a child that is vulnerable and believe me they can tell and know that is the one they will get away with as they try to give the attention that is lacking. They scour and premeditate victims to know what they can do to devour to degrade even more to where their evil deeds are made to give some feelings to victims when all it did was rob true identity. and that is the way you have to think of it. He robbed you!

But now that you have the mixed feelings you can very well contribute to what happened to you at early age. and yes it "developed" into what it did and the way I understood Bob to mean is that it works like other addictions but maybe there was a different word to use instead of additions "maybe sexual high feelings" that were wrongly developed by a perp, but sort of that way as the perp developed the rest of confusion.

 Now that the criminal act was done to you and no one protected you I can see what it has done and of course that is exactly why the dude is now in prison where he belongs. You have to understand Alex that most people know just how bad this damages a child that the law clearly know it is so bad it will be criminal actions against the child's identity.

 But now you can go forward and I know one cannot forget but concentrate what you really are, what God made you and take a good look in mirror and know the past is gone and you are a great specimen of man. Not everyone has had a nurturing family, but you can be one.
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That is your choice now. Please know you have that choice yet. When you put things in the past, you do like Jesus and let them drop to the bottom of the sea never more to bring it up. When you dwell on it you live it. I know you have to go through more court but after that start a new and yes don't give a way for the chance of renewal and having a great family all your own. Just never talk about it again that is the first step as it is only yours and Jesus thing and he commands to put it away as he does. If you do not do this then you don't believe that God forgives you and all.  I hope the court gives compensation to this new beginning if you so choose.

Bury it and you along with many others in their own horrific patterns will be the over comers as I have to learn to overcome different pattern. I am so sorry Alex and sorry for all children that have to have this sort of thing "developed" and that is why I have let loose on these sympathizers, justifiers and that family that covers their selves in the SDA church and look to see all their seemingly "rewards for it". Now lol do you see one of my bad patterns?????? Guess it aint so funny for me. But my life has been children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren and anybodies children. Had great experiences in life. and now spout off about it. lol  It might mean to leave all behind and look to new surroundings if possible if not --show em. Your were a child, you are not to blame. Only as others have suggested as adult you can now choose as you have "contemplated" all.
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Re: Gender Attraction
« Reply #67 on: March 24, 2012, 03:19:10 PM »

Alex... My comments are unchristian? How's that? How are they uncalled for? Are you suggesting censorship? That a person cannot express themself freely?
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Re: Gender Attraction
« Reply #68 on: March 24, 2012, 04:15:34 PM »

Alex, people who express the level of emotion that Horsethief has expressed have generally personalized the issue on some level.  In that personalization they have commonly  either experienced some actual loss, or they are fearful of a potential loss.  Out of that context, they are having a struggle.

I do not know horsethief.  I have no idea as to either what may be going on or what that sense of loss may be.  I do not suggest anyting specific as it would be outside of any objective evidence to suggest anything specific.

But, the lovel of emotion expressed in these posts clearly shows some intense pain. 

The statement that one hates a specific sin is a clear give-away of emotional involvement and actual or potential percieved loss.

Rather than calling something "un-Christian," which it may be, it might be better to feel some empathy for horsethief.  Although I can understand the feelings that have probably swept through you as you have read the posts on this subject.
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Re: Gender Attraction
« Reply #69 on: March 24, 2012, 04:57:42 PM »

Gregory... You analyze someone from behind a computer screen, from some comments made online? Where does that skill come from?
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Re: Gender Attraction
« Reply #70 on: March 24, 2012, 05:00:32 PM »

Gregory... You analyze someone from behind a computer screen, from some comments made online? Where does that skill come from?

Punching buttons? :console:
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Re: Gender Attraction
« Reply #71 on: March 24, 2012, 05:02:55 PM »

Horsethief:  If I were to do a comprehensive assessment of you it would be much more than what I have said.  Furthermore, I only do assessments face to face, never either by e-mail, internet or over the telephone.

As to where my skills come, I have clearly stated them in the past.  So, I have no need to go over that agin.
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Re: Gender Attraction
« Reply #72 on: March 24, 2012, 05:43:20 PM »

Okay, but then you've got me pegged with your online analysis, so you believe.

"the level of emotion that Horsethief has expressed have generally personalized the issue on some level.  In that personalization they have commonly  either experienced some actual loss, or they are fearful of a potential loss.  Out of that context, they are having a struggle."

I don't have no struggle with any of this. What difficulty I have is when I hear and read people insisting that a loving God accepts miscreant behavior and no longer considers it an abomination. That's on them though, not me.

But what is most bothersome is when there is a suggestion, as in Alex's earlier posts, is that I shouldn't be typing my opinions because they are clearly objectionable to him. "Uncalled for" as he states. We all know Alex's plight and support him in his pursuit of justice. But if he doesn't like an opposing viewpoint, then that's just too bad. He should consider settling in Cuba or North Korea if he believes someone can't speak out. I'm not going to let his objections, just because he is a major player in this 3abn lawsuit, silence me or make me soften my statements.
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Re: Gender Attraction
« Reply #73 on: March 24, 2012, 06:06:41 PM »

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I don't have no struggle with any of this. What difficulty I have is when I hear and read people insisting that a loving God accepts miscreant behavior and no longer considers it an abomination. That's on them though, not me.

That is not what people have posted here.  If you think such as been posted, your have clearly misunderstood what has been posted.
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Re: Gender Attraction
« Reply #74 on: March 24, 2012, 06:20:49 PM »

Okay, but then you've got me pegged with your online analysis, so you believe.

"the level of emotion that Horsethief has expressed have generally personalized the issue on some level.  In that personalization they have commonly  either experienced some actual loss, or they are fearful of a potential loss.  Out of that context, they are having a struggle."

I don't have no struggle with any of this. What difficulty I have is when I hear and read people insisting that a loving God accepts miscreant behavior and no longer considers it an abomination. That's on them though, not me.

But what is most bothersome is when there is a suggestion, as in Alex's earlier posts, is that I shouldn't be typing my opinions because they are clearly objectionable to him. "Uncalled for" as he states. We all know Alex's plight and support him in his pursuit of justice. But if he doesn't like an opposing viewpoint, then that's just too bad. He should consider settling in Cuba or North Korea if he believes someone can't speak out. I'm not going to let his objections, just because he is a major player in this 3abn lawsuit, silence me or make me soften my statements.

No one has asked you to stop making your statements, Horsethief. Your statements come across as full of hate. As I state prior, as someone who has struggled with homosexuality, I know first hand that it is not a choice. That is my point. However, it is up to me whether or not I pursue my homosexuality desires.

I do not believe that God judges someone or hates them or will send them to eternal hell because they are attracted to the same sex. You seem to disagree with me and that is fine.

My argument is people do not chose to be homosexual. It is not a choice, and addiction, nor is it a disease.
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