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[Gregory]

Gregory, we seem to be talking past each other.

That happens a lot in human communication.

That happens with me at times.

I belive that it happens quite often here inadventtalk.

I came to agree with what you have stated some time back.   

You are correct, Bob. 

[Bob Pickle]

Gregory,

There is something wrong with that term "gender preference." It seems to condone the "preferring" of something that God has condemned.

[Alex L. Walker]

Ok. I have been reading this the past few days, and it's disgusting. People do not chose to be "gay" anymore than a person choses to be "straight".

It is not a choice. I also find it hard to believe that a God of love would punish someone for being the person whom they are. If he does do that......then why create the person to be that way?

Homosexuality is not a disease. It is not something that you can just stop.

[Bob Pickle]

One problem, Alex, is the following:

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet" (Rom. 1:26, 27).

If there is no choice involved in the matter, Paul would not have used words in these verses that indicate choice.

We are all vile sinners, and God will punish us for acting out who we are, regardless of what sin we are addicted to. There is no difference in the end.

God did not create us to be a vile sinner.

[Snoopy]

We are all vile sinners, and God will punish us for acting out who we are, regardless of what sin we are addicted to. There is no difference in the end.

How does this statement reconcile with a God of love?

[princessdi]

Here's the thing..........If we believe tha sin affected even man's DNA to allow for everything from simple imperfection to diseases from birth, then we have to allow for every variable within the disenigration.  The text is merely describing baiscally the anatomy of something that is a sin.  Initially men were nto to kill each other, be envious, steal, lie, etc.  But with sin ALL of this happens.  The only choice that is made is to sin over obedience to the Word of God.

One problem, Alex, is the following:

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet" (Rom. 1:26, 27).

If there is no choice involved in the matter, Paul would not have used words in these verses that indicate choice.

We are all vile sinners, and God will punish us for acting out who we are, regardless of what sin we are addicted to. There is no difference in the end.

God did not create us to be a vile sinner.

[Alex L. Walker]

Bob....are you serious? So, homosexuality is an addiction? Please show your proof.

[Snoopy]

Seems to me that sexuality in and of itself could be considered an addiction, regardless of homo or hetero.  A heterosexual individual could be addicted to sex just as much as a homosexual person could be.  Any behavior can be addictive if one allows it to take over their life - just like gambling or shopping...or drugs or alcohol.

[Alex L. Walker]

Perhaps....but that does not mean people chose to be gay. There is a HUGE difference between being homosexual and engaging in sex. Bob seems to believe homosexuality in itself is an addiction. I do not believe that is the case.

[Gregory]

Snoopy, you are correct.Sexual behavior can be addictive.  I do not challenge that.  One can find both heterosexuals and homosexuals who are addicted to sexual behavior.


But, one can no more say that homosexuals, as a class, are addicted to sexual behavior than one can say that heterosexuals, as a class, are addicted to sexual behavior.  Yes, you did not say that they were.

Alex, you are correct, homosexuality is not in itself an illness.  Science has failed to demonstrate that homosexuality can be cured.

One can no more state that a person who engages in homosexual behavior is a homosexual than one can say that a person who engages in heterosexual behavior is actually heterosexual.

Homosexuality a choice?:  Depending upon what research you consider, there is a general belief that from 3% to 10% of the male  population is homosexual.  Yes, there are those  who disagree with those figures.  Some think less and some think more.  But, most fall into that range as I understand it.  My question:  If homosexuality is a choice, why would anyone think that in the current state of moral values the figures would be that low.  I would think that if it were a choice, it would be a higher per-cent of the population.  Just a thought.

 

[Bob Pickle]

We are all vile sinners, and God will punish us for acting out who we are, regardless of what sin we are addicted to. There is no difference in the end.

How does this statement reconcile with a God of love?

I should have added, unless we repent and confess, and allow Jesus to bear our sins.

Another way to see God's love is that He doesn't play favorites. We are all on the same level.

[Bob Pickle]

Perhaps....but that does not mean people chose to be gay.

I'm simply arguing that it is an extreme position to say that no one's choices have ever resulted in homosexual desires.

I know someone who told me that he got in trouble at a very young age in school for doing things he shouldn't have been doing with girls. He didn't say what, and I have never speculated.

It was at least a few years later after that when he said that he first felt attracted to guys.

I don't know his whole history, but my guess is that if he hadn't have grown up in the inner city, if his home life had been better, and if he hadn't have started doing whatever he was doing at such a young age with girls, he would never have had trouble with homosexual desires. The first two factors would have concerned others' choices, not his own. The third factor would have been his own choices at a young age.

[Gregory]

Deleted.  I Decided to let others post before I do.

[horsethief]

What's disgusting is when these homosexes go and flaunt their perverse behavior and expect people to condition themselves to be open minded and think it's normal and natural. There's nothing normal or natural about it. There's nothing wholesome or healthy about their vile activities either. I especially hate when they get on their facebook and tell people what they do.

It's sinful and sickening.

[Gregory]

Hatred:  You are clearly making a significant investment of your emotional energy in homosexuality.  What are you getting out of your emotional investment?