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[Cindy]

Cindy, just stop. I only agreed that there was jealousy, and nothing else. You know full well what I meant. Stop trying to twist what I said.

Dr. Thompson did NOT investigate the claims, he only hunted around until he got someone to say what he wanted them to say. That's not an investigation, that's attempted vindication. Dr. Thompson has never spoken to myself or any of the other victims that I know. Kinda hard to investigate without interviewing witnesses, don'tcha think?

Why do you get so bent out of shape about this issue? I can't figure it out. You say you don't even know Tommy and have never spoken to him. How can you be so sure that all this never happened?

Duane,

I didn't twist your words. I only quoted what you said about Dryden. and quoted you as agreeing with what the Church of God official told Dr Thompson. That's it.


Why would you expect Dr Thompson to interview you?!?

1. You filed no complaint and reported nothing while at 3ABN..

2. You did not ever claim to be a witness of anything Dr Thompson was investigating
"in 1985, I was one of several who wrote a letter in his defense. I was also questioned by a detective at the West Frankfort Police Department. I had been on a few overnight trips with him, and gave testimony that nothing had happened that would substantiate the allegations being made against him. At the time, this was true."

3. Dr Thompson's investigation was well before Tommy retired, and that was in December  2006.  You didn't even say anything to anyone about your inapropriate relationship with Tommy till Jan 20, 2007.


I am addressing both 3ABN's involvement and what they had to look at, and the accusations of Child molestation, You were 20. So, I'm sorry but neither applies to you. Your issue is different.

Have you talk to Danny yet? I think that is a very good idea...

http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=21098&view=findpost&p=241392

Duane your accusations just never quit. Face it, you don't know what you're talking about concerning anything with 3abn.

FYI I have communicated with the law firm. When I said Danny didn't know the subpeona's were being served or who they were served to, I was 100% correct. Ian gave a simple and direct explanation of how a suit progresses without being told by the client what moves to make. Maybe you should read what she wrote.

Duane have you ever read the biblical scriptures "if you have ought with your brother GO TO HIM?" That is certainly possible since you live in the area. Why don't you try that? Danny is working at his house most of the time and I'm sure you know where that is. It would be informal and private and you could just "let er rip" and get it all off your chest. I believe you would find that you are mistaken in your accusations and in what you perceive Danny's attitude to be. Doesn't that sound reasonable? Isn't it biblical? You have nothing to lose and a lot to gain. By living there, you have an opportunity that many of the posters do not have. Why don't you take advantage of it?

There are only 2 reasons that I can think of for not doing it. You don't have enough guts or you don't want to find out your perception is wrong.

[Snoopy]

Ian, I SURE hope you can back up this highly inflammatory statement.  I am SO hoping this male employee strongly considers suing YOU for defamation!!

You mean "one former male employee" claimed that?
 
One male employee who's wife said that was false, one who's children aren't allowed to be alone with him, and are not even supported by him? ( But don't accept hearsay, whether from me or your "source"!  Go to the court and get the records for yourself Gailon! prove all things!) and one who was himself fired from 3ABN? You really ought to examine the source of this claim and his reliability and whether he is quilty of the things another has been accused of b4 you take up his cause and trumpet his accusations to the world as fact. And you really ought to know if it was reported, and what he did and said when confronted with his story. before you put your reputation, and credibility on the line with this. Because I'm quite sure if you and Pickle get your way and all this is brought up in court, all of what I referred to is going to be documented to rebut your claims...

[Bob Pickle]

Yes, folk, Ian is defending an alleged pedophile and attacking his alleged victims.

Ian, you got some of your dates wrong.

Why should Walt Thompson have talked with Duane after he came forward in early January 2007? Because if Walt cares about souls, cares about people, cares about truth and righteousness, cares about the Lord's work, he would have done that at some point within the last 16 months. But to my knowledge he hasn't talked to any of them. And that is absolutely reprehensible in my opinion.

[Cindy]

This is a typical 3ABN INVESTIGATION...Lord forbid they find probable cause to eliminate the Annointed One or his defrocked brother...and is this how they investigated Linda? They Listened to Danny's side?

"...I was at 3abn at the time and spoke at length with Danny about the matter. He shared with me the details as he understood them. Whether or not I was aware of what generated the letter at that time, I do not remember. Based upon my understanding that Dryden had had a long standing feud with Tommy over factors unrelated to the above accusations, it did not seem indicated to approach the boys in question directly, having been informed that no case had ever been filed with the courts or legal disposition made. We then discussed the situation with the full board. Given the alleged events had occured many years before, attempts had been made to make things right, and no legal action had been taken, we did not see any reason to pursue the issue further nor to follow through with his recommendations...." Dr Walter Thompson, Chairman and Inquisitor of 3ABN

And now we know THE REST OF THE STORY!!! They should be ashamed...and they owe the world an apology.

Gailon Arthur Joy

Dude, in 1985 Tommy's Church and the school investigated and suspended his liscence until the police investigation and theirs was done.

The police investigation resulted in nothing of merit to proceed with. The D.A. know and found nothing of merit. He continued at the school and as Pastor.

Sorry You don't like that, there was nothing else for Dr Thompson to find or investigate in 2003.

And you didn't post the rest of the story:
Subsequently, after this issue has been brought back to the forefront (I think there is only one person who could have known about this and brought it to world wide attentionm, and that person was then on the board and voted with the concensus) I contacted the only person from the Chruch of God that I could find that knew about the situation, and who had been present and witness to the events. (Accept for pastor Dryden's personal accounts, there are apparently no other records of the allegations) The picture that was painted by that leader of the Church was exactly as portrayed earlier by Danny. Dryden was jealous of Tommy and was out to get him - a jealousy that has continued to the present. I was again informed that the DA knew about the allegations and not finding a basis, refused to act against Tommy.

[Bob Pickle]

Ian, prove that the DA said what is claimed was said. Prove it. Don't be gullible.

When you say that there was nothing more for Walt to investigate, I think you're lying. Roger Clem didn't come forward until 2003, and thus his case wasn't investigated in 1985.

Furthermore, you asked if Duane has visited Danny. Have you asked Danny if he's visited Duane? If not, why not?

Jesus said that if your brother has ought against you, you have to leave your gift at the altar and go and be reconciled to your brother. Danny has a God-given duty to seek reconciliation of Duane and anyone else who thinks he's wronged them. Otherwise, if he hardens his heart and refuses to obey the Lord's instruction on this point, he is at risk of going nowhere.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

"...Duane have you ever read the biblical scriptures "if you have ought with your brother GO TO HIM?" That is certainly possible since you live in the area. Why don't you try that? Danny is working at his house most of the time and I'm sure you know where that is. It would be informal and private and you could just "let er rip" and get it all off your chest. I believe you would find that you are mistaken in your accusations and in what you perceive Danny's attitude to be. Doesn't that sound reasonable? Isn't it biblical? You have nothing to lose and a lot to gain. By living there, you have an opportunity that many of the posters do not have. Why don't you take advantage of it?..."

Think Danny would waive attorney client privilege and grant me the same opportuinity? Apparently not as he wouldn't even communicate by e-mail. But would be happy to meet him AND THE ENTIRE BOARD packed with information and documents...what an awakening that would be!!!

Now that I have a moment to think abaout it, did Danny ever read that text? And why didn't he come and see little ole' me??? He even had a jet to make it easy...oh, that's right, I'm a no-body!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Bob Pickle]

And how dare you quote Walt Thompson's blatant falsehood that he couldn't find anyone else from the Church of God that knew anything about it. Was the problem that he never tried looking? Did he forget to plug in his phone? Or pick it up? Roger Clem had just come forward for the first time and Walt can't find anyone to talk to? Ludicrous!

[ex3abnemployee]

Ian, you must really think I'm stupid if you think I would even remotely consider visiting Danny one-on-one. I know a set-up when I see it. Regardless of how the meeting went, I would be accused of no telling what. It would be Danny's word against mine. Sorry, but nice try.

If Danny is so willing to talk, I wonder why he completely avoided me and wouldn't even make eye contact when we were in a local restaurant at the same time recently. Hmmmmm.....

As to the statement that the church and school investigated the allegations against Tommy in 1985, there was NO investigation by the church or school. Tommy denied it and everyone believed him. That's it. I just love how all these johnny-come-latelys breeze in and think they have all the details.

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Edited to change name from realname to username.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Dude, in 1985 Tommy's Church and the school investigated and suspended his liscence until the police investigation and theirs was done.

The police investigation resulted in nothing of merit to proceed with. The D.A. know and found nothing of merit. He continued at the school and as Pastor.

Sorry You don't like that, there was nothing else for Dr Thompson to find or investigate in 2003.

And you didn't post the rest of the story:
Subsequently, after this issue has been brought back to the forefront (I think there is only one person who could have known about this and brought it to world wide attentionm, and that person was then on the board and voted with the concensus) I contacted the only person from the Chruch of God that I could find that knew about the situation, and who had been present and witness to the events. (Accept for pastor Dryden's personal accounts, there are apparently no other records of the allegations) The picture that was painted by that leader of the Church was exactly as portrayed earlier by Danny. Dryden was jealous of Tommy and was out to get him - a jealousy that has continued to the present. I was again informed that the DA knew about the allegations and not finding a basis, refused to act against Tommy.
[/quote]- IAN

Dude your mis-informed...the timeline is a real problem for you...try it again. By the time Dryden wrote the letter in 2003 Tommy had been to Virginia and had additional allegations resulting in his institutionalization and resignation from Dunn Loring. Tommy was working in the archives at 3ABN, but living in Marion, Kentucky. And so why would Dryden be "jealous" of Tommy Ray Shelton??? He most certainly was not pastoring in West Frankfort at the Ezra Church of God. Is this another Danny fable? You really have to do a much better job of putting together your timelines and getting much better sources...but then you must be typical of 3ABN's  invetsigators...you get Danny's version!!!

I suppose it is like that $10,000 check Danny and Tommy deny ever transpired...but wonder what those bank statements demonstrate? Particularly since we have two actual witnesses to the check and another person who was told about the check by the drafter.

By the way, Tommy Ray Shelton's CREDENTIALS were taken by the COG General Assembly based upon his own confession. See Save-3ABN.info for a copy of the letter. The church divided and seperated from the General Assembly and went it alone. The congregation that was left called Tommy back and then, guess what, there were new allegations after he was recalled!!! But 3ABN saved him yet again and gave him a job as programming director until the ex-wife and daughter of the annointed one gave BJ Christiansen her famous declaration. Tommy found himself on the road again selling cable systems on 3ABN programming (as an independent contractor) until he became a consultant to Dunn Lorring and slid right into another pastoral position, which is a story in and of itself.

So, dude, do you need help with your investigation? You are not even meeting "inquisitor" standards.

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Cindy]

By the way, Tommy Ray Shelton's CREDENTIALS were taken by the COG General Conference based upon his own confession, not suspended. See Save-3ABN.info for a copy of the letter.

http://www.save-3abn.info/tommy-shelton-ordination-suspended.htm

"The ordination of Tommy Shelton has been suspended immediately until further notice pending the results of the official police investigation concerning criminal sexual abuse charges against him."

[Cindy]

Dude your mis-informed...the timeline is a real problem for you...try it again. By the time Dryden wrote the letter in 2003 Tommy had been to Virginia and had additional allegations resulting in his institutionalization and resignation from Dunn Loring. Tommy was working in the archives at 3ABN, but living in Marion, Kentucky. And so why would Dryden be "jealous" of Tommy Ray Shelton??? He most certainly was not pastoring in West Frankfort at the Ezra Church of God. Is this another Danny fable? You really have to do a much better job of putting together your timelines and getting much better sources...
he became a consultant to Dunn Lorring and slid right into another pastoral position, which is a story in and of itself.

http://www.save-3abn.info/tommy-shelton-victim-duane-clem-apology.htm
"You are correct in thinking that Glenn Dryden had nothing to do with the 1985 allegations. That was a totally separate set of circumstances, and was also when the Ezra Church of God (which I attended at the time) severed ties with the Church of God, Anderson. We became an independent Church of God and shortly thereafter Tommy received ordination from another Church of God organization, and according to their website is still listed as a minister with them. (http://www.churchofgodcv.org/addresses.aspx/) Glenn Dryden never had the success at Ezra that Tommy saw as pastor, and I believe that is where the jealousy has come from. Tommy also began attending Ezra for a while when Dryden was pastor, and Dryden did not like it. He was very instrumental in Tommy taking the pastorate at Community Church of God in Dunn Loring, VA and even made the statement to me personally shortly after it was announced, "Well, it looks like the Sheltons will be out of here soon."

[Sam]

Cindy, you must really think I'm stupid if you think I would even remotely consider visiting Danny one-on-one. I know a set-up when I see it. Regardless of how the meeting went, I would be accused of no telling what. It would be Danny's word against mine. Sorry, but nice try.

If Danny is so willing to talk, I wonder why he completely avoided me and wouldn't even make eye contact when we were in a local restaurant at the same time recently. Hmmmmm.....

As to the statement that the church and school investigated the allegations against Tommy in 1985, there was NO investigation by the church or school. Tommy denied it and everyone believed him. That's it. I just love how all these johnny-come-latelys breeze in and think they have all the details.

If Danny was so willing to talk?  Who said?  I didn't read that in the quote from bsda or in what Ian said.  It was merely a suggestion to act biblically. Afterall, you are the one who has "ought" against your brother so it is your responsibility for you to go to him with your accusations and complaints about him.
So, you saw him in a restaurant huh?  Very telling that you did not approach him. You are the one on the net spouting accusations about what Danny knew or didn't know and what he did or didn't do. Seems to me as a christian you owe him the chance to answer any and all questions or allegations that you have.  I wonder how many years it has been since you have had any contact with Danny at anytime, anywhere much less told him what your problems are with him. Yet you rant and rave that he did this and that and you know all about his motives and how he lives and why or how he makes decisions, when in reality, you know absolutely nothing about him at all except what your buddies Joy and Pickle and the rest of the attack team have told you.  The very fact that you had an opportunity to approach him one and one and didn't do it, tells me that you don't have a leg to stand on where Danny is concerned and you know it. Your the one that has "ought" remember?  You remind me of one of those little yappy dogs that jumps all over your feet, yapping it's head off and wants you to be scared of it. But, all you have to do is look at it sideways and it runs away with it's tail between it's legs.

Having never approached him about the things you think he is responsible for sends all your internet yapping and surmising down the tubes.

[Sam]

"...Duane have you ever read the biblical scriptures "if you have ought with your brother GO TO HIM?" That is certainly possible since you live in the area. Why don't you try that? Danny is working at his house most of the time and I'm sure you know where that is. It would be informal and private and you could just "let er rip" and get it all off your chest. I believe you would find that you are mistaken in your accusations and in what you perceive Danny's attitude to be. Doesn't that sound reasonable? Isn't it biblical? You have nothing to lose and a lot to gain. By living there, you have an opportunity that many of the posters do not have. Why don't you take advantage of it?..."

Think Danny would waive attorney client privilege and grant me the same opportuinity? Apparently not as he wouldn't even communicate by e-mail. But would be happy to meet him AND THE ENTIRE BOARD packed with information and documents...what an awakening that would be!!!

Now that I have a moment to think abaout it, did Danny ever read that text? And why didn't he come and see little ole' me??? He even had a jet to make it easy...oh, that's right, I'm a no-body!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

EXACTLY!

[Habanero]

EXACTLY!

No person is a nobody. Whatever you may think of him, Gailon is every bit as much a somebody as is Danny. Everyone is a somebody, including the least, the lowest, the most despised, the people you hate, each person is as much a somebody as anyother person.

[Cindy]

EXACTLY!

No person is a nobody. Whatever you may think of him, Gailon is every bit as much a somebody as is Danny. Everyone is a somebody, including the least, the lowest, the most despised, the people you hate, each person is as much a somebody as anyother person.

Of course you took that 180 out... Each individual IS somebody, BUT

As far as walking in off the street and butting into a ministries business goes, and demanding an accounting, and to know what happened behind closed doors in private and to see their books, bank accounts etc etc etc goes, as Joy did...

Yes, he was stranger, a nobody, and it wasn't his business.


I know...

He's got alot of you believing you are "stockholders in the pews", and that makes it your business, and you have a right to demand changes and an accounting. But why don't you go and try the above with your favorite  non profit charity, or another private or independant ministry you have sent donations to, and claim you are one of their "stockholders", and see how they respond and what they tell you...