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Snoopy

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Re: Tommy Shelton pleads guilty to four felony counts!
« Reply #75 on: January 23, 2012, 04:35:33 PM »

Thanks for that, Alex.  In my view, you share equally in this hand of justice.
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« Reply #76 on: January 23, 2012, 04:46:02 PM »

Nosir said the following:

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  I do think it worth mentioning here that Illinois is a "fire at will" state meaning that you don't have to even give a reason for firing someone. If you are unhappy with their work, attitude, etc etc you can let them go without explanation, you certainly don't have to explain all, or even anything, to other employees or anyone else, about why a employee quit or were fired and due to privacy concerns most employers, even in other states don't.

In general terms, every part of the above statement is accurate, although the legal term is not "fire at will".   However, law is typically a strange creature.  Even those states that are "fire at will,' there are exceptions.  There may be other laws that "trump" the so-called"fire at will stature.    Let me give you an example:  I have recently been involved, through volunteer work that I do with an organization, with an employee in a so-called fire at will state, who was employed on a one-year contract.  That contract provided that the employee coud be offered another contract at the end of her contract, but the employeer was not required to offer her another contract.  In fact, when her contract expried she was out of a job.    It should be noted that this employer had hired a number of people on this one-year contract.  And she was the only one who was not offered a new contract, as it turned out because the employeer did not believe that she had done a good job.

Speaking for the organization for which I do volunteer work, I told her that we did not have a leg to stand on to challenge her loss of a job.  She asked to speak ot this organization's attornies and they told her the same thing.   The next day one of their attornies called me and told me that they were wrong in their advice and they could get the issue before a judge.  As this developed, she was told that she could collect a large some of money for illigal termination due to a Federal statute that trumped the fire at will and the end of the contract.

The woman told me she did not want a cash settlemenet.  She wanted employment.  We nogitiated with the employeer, who was a large employeer.  She was hired in a new position which was more suitable for her.

Here is the bottom line:  She had a provable case that she had been discriminated aginst in violation of a Federal statute.  That statute trumped the "fire at will" provisions of the law in this state.

Question:  How did the organization for which I do volunteer work know that this woman had been let go in violation of fEderal law?

Answer:  We believed that she had.  So, Under the provisions of that Federal law we asked for all documents related to her work performance for the year thaat she had been employed and that were related to her not being given a second contract.  The employer had to turn those documents over to us.  In those documents we discovered a chain of written statements that proved that Federal law had been violated in the decision not to give her a second contract.    At this point in time she is working at a reasonable salery and in a permanent position.  The employeer was willing to do this in return for her not litigating her illegal termination and obtaining a large cash award.  My point:  Even in a "fire at will" State, sometimes an employer may have to give a reason and the employer must comply with  other laws that may trump the fire at will provisions of the law.
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Re: Tommy Shelton pleads guilty to four felony counts!
« Reply #77 on: January 23, 2012, 05:17:34 PM »

Reference my preceeding comment.

The bulk of the volunteer work that I do for this organization does not involve litigation before judges.  The majority of the work that I do involves situations where either mediation or arbitration will be used to resolve the differences and there will generally be an enforceable mediation  or arbitration clause that binds th parties.   When this is true, the organizaiton for which I do volunteer work attempts to negotiate a settlement without a formal mediation/arbitration process.  The majority of times agreement is reached without formal mediation/arbitration.  Sometimes not and we go to mediation and rarely to arbitration.

In the case mentioned below, there was no binding mediation/arbitration clause in the contract and one paraty refused to  voluntarly engage in mediation/arbitration.  Therefore, all parties understood that absent an agreement costly litigation was going to take place and people on both sides wanted to reach an agreement without that costly litigation.  With this as an incentive, an agreement was reached.
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Re: Tommy Shelton pleads guilty to four felony counts!
« Reply #78 on: January 23, 2012, 06:12:36 PM »

Back in the old days, liability insurance covered claims of sexual assualt.

In the Odenthal litigation against the SDA Church, it was Chubb Insurance that ended up paying for the financial settlement, less the deductable.

Those days have largely gone the way of the duck-billed platypus.  Current policies largely exempt coverage for claims  sexual contact.  And, policies are now often excluding coverage for anything posted on the Internet that results in a liability claim.

Gregory, you need to brush up on your history and geography.  :oops:  The duck-billed platypus is alive and well throughout Australia and quite a tourist attraction in many parts of Australia.  :australia: Please acknowledge your ignorance regarding this fact and give credit for our natural heritage.  :help:
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« Reply #79 on: January 23, 2012, 06:16:48 PM »

I have so far heard two conflicting reports of Tommy Shelton's emotional reactions to his behavior.

One, that he was remorseful and tried to convince of a judge of that in the past,

And two, that he is not remorseful because he is innocent of any wrong doing toward underage boys.

Which is it?


HAHA!!  Good point, Artiste!!

There's no wiggling out of this one, no matter how accomplished one's worm-like qualities are...


Still the worm, I see  :purr:
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Re: Tommy Shelton pleads guilty to four felony counts!
« Reply #80 on: January 23, 2012, 06:17:41 PM »

Back in the old days, liability insurance covered claims of sexual assualt.

In the Odenthal litigation against the SDA Church, it was Chubb Insurance that ended up paying for the financial settlement, less the deductable.

Those days have largely gone the way of the duck-billed platypus.  Current policies largely exempt coverage for claims  sexual contact.  And, policies are now often excluding coverage for anything posted on the Internet that results in a liability claim.

Gregory, you need to brush up on your history and geography.  :oops:  The duck-billed platypus is alive and well throughout Australia and quite a tourist attraction in many parts of Australia.  :australia: Please acknowledge your ignorance regarding this fact and give credit for our natural heritage.  :help:

Chrissie!!!!!!!  SO GOOD TO SEE YOU!!     :puppykisses: :puppykisses: :puppykisses:
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« Reply #81 on: January 23, 2012, 07:11:35 PM »

Back in the old days, liability insurance covered claims of sexual assualt.

In the Odenthal litigation against the SDA Church, it was Chubb Insurance that ended up paying for the financial settlement, less the deductable.

Those days have largely gone the way of the duck-billed platypus.  Current policies largely exempt coverage for claims  sexual contact.  And, policies are now often excluding coverage for anything posted on the Internet that results in a liability claim.

Gregory, you need to brush up on your history and geography.  :oops:  The duck-billed platypus is alive and well throughout Australia and quite a tourist attraction in many parts of Australia.  :australia: Please acknowledge your ignorance regarding this fact and give credit for our natural heritage.  :help:

Chrissie!!!!!!!  SO GOOD TO SEE YOU!!     :puppykisses: :puppykisses: :puppykisses:


I am in full agreement. Welcome back!
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Re: Tommy Shelton pleads guilty to four felony counts!
« Reply #82 on: January 23, 2012, 07:46:58 PM »

I acknowledge my ignorance.  Thank you for the correction.  I have never claimed perfect knowledge.

:)  :) 

Maybe someday I can visit Australia.

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Re: Tommy Shelton pleads guilty to four felony counts!
« Reply #83 on: January 25, 2012, 07:36:41 AM »

Your personal experience involves a year and a half at 3ABN, 23-22 years ago, right? Mine goes up to the present.

Could you please tell us when you began working for 3ABN? I think it much better to be specific than to make vague allusions.

In his posts he maintains he was fired for being a whistle blower about 3ABN operating on a volunteer basis on Sabbaths, and asking employees to volunteer. Sabbath keepers can most likely understand why this occurred, and how this issue comes up in SDA ministries, but he wasn't  and isn't Adventist.

Sabbath keepers cannot understand why Duane and others were puportedly regularly scheduled for Sabbath work only after agreeing to do it on a volunteer basis, unless the motives of greed and manipulation are invoked.

He has also claimed in his posts that he was told that he was let go because of having a bad attitude.

Aren't you being a tad bit dishonest with this statement? Duane claimed he was told that he was fired for the attitude that led him to blow the whistle, but they wouldn't have known he had blown the whistle if they hadn't have bugged the room where the interview took place. That is a key question: How did they know he blew the whistle unless they bugged that room?
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Re: Tommy Shelton pleads guilty to four felony counts!
« Reply #84 on: January 25, 2012, 07:38:34 AM »

My point:  Even in a "fire at will" State, sometimes an employer may have to give a reason and the employer must comply with  other laws that may trump the fire at will provisions of the law.

Firing someone for blowing the whistle on violating wage laws could conceivably interest an attorney in looking closer at a possible tort claim.
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Re: Tommy Shelton pleads guilty to four felony counts!
« Reply #85 on: January 25, 2012, 12:37:14 PM »

An interesting thought!
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Re: Tommy Shelton pleads guilty to four felony counts!
« Reply #86 on: January 25, 2012, 02:00:19 PM »

I acknowledge my ignorance.  Thank you for the correction.  I have never claimed perfect knowledge.

:)  :) 

Maybe someday I can visit Australia.



We seem to fit in the same boat
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Re: Tommy Shelton pleads guilty to four felony counts!
« Reply #87 on: January 25, 2012, 02:29:19 PM »

I acknowledge my ignorance.  Thank you for the correction.  I have never claimed perfect knowledge.

:)  :) 

Maybe someday I can visit Australia.



We seem to fit in the same boat

So, Johann and Gregory are going by boat to Australia??    :dunno:


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« Reply #88 on: January 25, 2012, 02:58:58 PM »

I acknowledge my ignorance.  Thank you for the correction.  I have never claimed perfect knowledge.

:)  :) 

Maybe someday I can visit Australia.



We seem to fit in the same boat

So, Johann and Gregory are going by boat to Australia??    :dunno:


 :dogwag:

Will you inflate one for us?
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« Reply #89 on: January 25, 2012, 04:17:10 PM »

My reason for bringing up something (Duane, Kenny, Tammy) that happened more than 20 years ago was to establish a pattern that DS has shown.  A pattern of twisting the truth to fit his own agenda.  Yes, I know Kenny and Tammy are back in Danny's good graces.  I have talked with one of Tammy's sons.  The "right to fire" law does not make it OK for a Christian to fire someone for a personal reason.  A Christian should be Christ-like even when the law doesn't require.  DS said Duane was fired for a bad attitude.  If he had one it is somewhat understandable considering he had to work with TS now and then.  He was really fired for turning 3ABN in to the Department of Labor & Industries for forcing volunteer labor from Fri sundown to Sat sundown and for refusing to pay overtime for an hourly position.  3ABN administration (including DS) could have and should have known that was illegal.  As for my knowing nothing about what is currently happening; I still have friends who work for 3ABN.  I won't name them because I don't want to get them in any trouble.  I also have friends that watch 3ABN regularly and tell me what is happening.  I also receive regular e-mails from 3ABN giving updates on what they are doing.

Since leaving 3ABN I have remained active in TV and radio ministry.  I was an engineer for Life Talk Radio when they first went on the air in Yakima, WA.  I volunteered as an engineer and video director for Blue Mountain TV for 3 years.  Currently I produce a weekly TV program for the Central SDA Church in Salem, OR and am friends with the producer/director for Better Life Television.

Keith Owen
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