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[youngwarrior]

NOSIR - Since I know personally all of the parties in this little drama except for Alex and Bob perhaps you will listen to what I have to say.  Then again, perhaps not.  I know that DS and TS are very capable of lying or giving only one side of the story and presenting it in such a way that the receiver of said information is left believing a lie.  One of those occasions was when Duane left 3ABN.  At that point I was an employee and the story given to us (employees) was not the real story.  I was well aware of the real story.  Or when Kenny and Tammy were let go.  Again, the story given to the employees was not the real story.

So, nosirmizing, after reading many of your posts vs. what others have posted here, the one I have the most difficulty believing is you since you have posted many things denying what I know from personal experience with DS & TS are true.  And no; I don't hate either one of them.  I just hope they will make their peace with God and admit the things they have done.

Keith Owen

[Johann]

Yesterday, Sabbath, I was preaching at a church where I had not been for quite a while. After the service one of the members told me it seemed to be all over the media that a certain Tommy Shelton is facing prison for pedophilia, so he was wondering if he was related to Danny Shelton of 3ABN, like some of the news items indicated. He recalled having seen them in church when they visited Europe together some years ago.

Then this church member recalled that Danny's wife had been presenting real Christianity in her TV devotionals until she disappeared suddenly - when the positive Christian messages were no longer heard on programs presented by 3ABN, while there were no changes in programs produced by the Church.

He had also noticed how Danny's wife looked at her husband with loving care so different from the looks on Danny's face and his actions when they appeared together on TV.

He was wondering how the Tommy case would affect 3ABN. Time will tell.

[Snoopy]

I thought it was supposed to be all over the media here, but I haven't seen it.

[Alex L. Walker]

Well apparently either Tommy or 3ABN has summoned their insurance company to pay for their representation against me in the civil suit.

The insurance company is saying NO! They are saying they are not responsible for tort claims.

Because of this the insurance company has served Tommy, 3ABN and myself with papers.

They are petitioning the court to make a ruling that they are not responsible.

[Gregory]

Back in the old days, liability insurance covered claims of sexual assualt.

In the Odenthal litigation against the SDA Church, it was Chubb Insurance that ended up paying for the financial settlement, less the deductable.

Those days have largely gone the way of the duck-billed platypus.  Current policies largely exempt coverage for claims  sexual contact.  And, policies are now often excluding coverage for anything posted on the Internet that results in a liability claim.

[Alex L. Walker]

Gregory: I am not sure. I was just informed this week by my attorneys that I had been served.

Tommy, 3ABN, and myself are listed as defendants.

Not a big deal according to my attorneys they just want the court to rule that they do not have to pay for Tommy's or 3ABN's representation.

[Alex L. Walker]

To be honest I had a little chuckle. Here I am suing 3ABN and Tommy, and now I am listed as a defendant along with them in this other case.

[Gregory]

From the standpoint of the insurance company action you are a defendant.

You have a vested interest in whether or not the insurance company is ruled not to be liable for any judgement.

So, welcome to the idea of you, 3-ABN andTS being on the same side.     

[Alex L. Walker]

I have been trying to find this case online, but no luck! :-/ Any ideas?

I have not personally seen what has been filed by the insurance company.

My attorneys just informed me that I had been served, when they called me and told me about the ruling in my case.

If anyone can find it. I would appreciate it. I suppose I could ask my attorneys mail it too me, just figured it would be online.

[Alex L. Walker]

you might take a lesson from Alex, who was violated in the worst sort of Sandusky way.  Instead of hiding himself as you have done, Alex took a courageous step forward to bring the perpetrator to justice!!  Way to go, Alex!

Walker v. Shelton!!!  Take two...

His case didn't hold water. The Virginia prosecutor dropped it like a hot potato.

Now this is a complete lie and YOU know it. Would anyone like to call Kathy Stott and ask her the reason's why my case was dropped?

Don't buy the bull spewing from this mouth!

[Nosir Myzing]

 I wasn't going to post anymore in this thread as I think it best to say what I feel needs saying and not engage in endless arguing and mostly try not to jump down rabbit trails, or replyi to insults etc, but after reading your post I don't understand what it has to do with the topic, and  there are some things I don't understand and some things I feel need to be said, or asked.

    NOSIR - Since I know personally all of the parties in this little drama except for Alex and Bob perhaps you will listen to what I have to say.  Then again, perhaps not.  I know that DS and TS are very capable of lying or giving only one side of the story and presenting it in such a way that the receiver of said information is left believing a lie.  One of those occasions was when Duane left 3ABN.  At that point I was an employee and the story given to us (employees) was not the real story.  I was well aware of the real story.  Or when Kenny and Tammy were let go.  Again, the story given to the employees was not the real story.

 Well I am listening, but I don't agree. The problem here is that you aren't the only one who knows people involved or past history. I do too. While you claim to  "personally" know people involved some of those same people don't even recall you.... Is that enough to make you listen to me, as you asked of me? I have read your posts all along where you keep bringing this up, and I have known that the history you are giving others is totally inaccurate. Now that you post this to me I would like to ask:  why do you keep bringing this up, when those you are talking about don't? What purpose does it serve, and who does it serve, and how does it glorify God? Those are rhetorical questions, but these aren't. What does all that you posted above really have to do with anything I posted in this thread? Which Posts did you disagree with and why? Is it hard to be specific and explain that?

Also, while, I don't feel the need to debate you about this,  I do think it worth mentioning here that Illinois is a "fire at will" state meaning that you don't have to even give a reason for firing someone. If you are unhappy with their work, attitude, etc etc you can let them go without explanation, you certainly don't have to explain all, or even anything, to other employees or anyone else, about why a employee quit or were fired and due to privacy concerns most employers, even in other states don't. That doesn't stop others from talking. Those who talked to you, and even yourself here for example....


I also think it worth mentioning that in 1989 and 1990 when you worked at 3abn it was just a small struggling ministry with a handful of people. There were tons of kinks which had to be worked out over the years. Misunderstandings and disagreements can occur in jobs, and even among the best of friends and closest of families. You learn and grow, and what happened then is not worth dwelling on now especially considering the present. You have to realize that Tammy has been back working at 3ABN for years and years along with her husband... Kenny and Danny have a great relationship, he has been a featured speaker at 3ABN events for years. Events such as the 10 Commandment weekend. And in case you haven't noticed, Behold the Lamb is now on 3abn! Kenny obviously controls the rights for I have been receiving Behold the Lamb CD's by snail mail from that ministry since way before all this internet "concern" and ugliness and just received the latest this past week.

So, nosirmizing, after reading many of your posts vs. what others have posted here, the one I have the most difficulty believing is you since you have posted many things denying what I know from personal experience with DS & TS are true.  And no; I don't hate either one of them.  I just hope they will make their peace with God and admit the things they have done.

Keith Owen

Ok, Keith... You claim you don't believe me, and for some reason you have the most difficulty believing me of ALL who have posted here because you claim I have posted "many things" denying what you know from personal experience. I can accept that you don't believe me.

BUT

 Correct me if I am wrong. Your personal experience involves a year and a half at 3ABN, 23-22 years ago, right? Mine goes up to the present. I do not recall posting anything, until today, which dates back 21-22 years ago. As I asked before, what does your post have to do with anything I posted here recently? What actually are you objecting to in my posts before today and saying you don't believe? What did I say that based on your "personal experience" you know for a fact to be false?  Your post does not make that clear to me. After reading it and rereading it for days now, and even praying about it, I still have no idea what your deal is, or even why you posted or what it is you disagree with or are objecting to. I would appreciate an answer, or for you to at least think about the answers.


I edited this post to add a minor clarification which did not contradict anything I said.

[Nosir Myzing]

Pardon me, Keith, but I feel it necessary to add this.

You said you know Duane Clem, but I mostly just know him from what he has written and posted publicly and want to clarify that in regards to challenging what you posted as you included him. He , himself does not bring it up over and over, but has written about it.

In his posts he maintains he was fired for being a whistle blower about 3ABN operating on a volunteer basis on Sabbaths, and asking employees to volunteer. Sabbath keepers can most likely understand why this occurred, and how this issue comes up in SDA ministries, but he wasn't  and isn't Adventist. My understanding about that is that rather than saying " No, I don't want to" or " I don't want to continue to" after he did, which would have been acceptable, he reported 3ABN to the government. He has also claimed in his posts that he was told that he was let go because of having a bad attitude. Something I have no hesitation believing because of his posts here and elsewhere, and based on the fact that others, some his friends and some not, all say or admit that he does have a problem in that area. I have no idea what Linda, Danny or the board told the employees, if anything.... I don't recall hearing anything about that. I flat out do not believe they lied. They had no reason to. Nor do I recall him or anyone else ever claiming that they lied until your posts.

[Alex L. Walker]

More yap yap yap from KING SiR MYZER!

[Snoopy]

Now this is a complete lie and YOU know it. Would anyone like to call Kathy Stott and ask her the reason's why my case was dropped?

I'd rather just hear it from you, Alex.  Are you not at liberty to say?  If you cannot discuss it, how would Kathy Stott be able to?

[Alex L. Walker]

The reason it was dropped because it was basically my word against Tommy. There was NO callaborating witnesses.

She decided that if she could get Tommy to plead guilty to Dennis...she would tell the defense she would drop my case.

My case was dropped to get this deal. Dennis and I both agreed ths would be best so we did not take a chance of Tommy winning both trials and getting away free.

This way he will have to do time and register as the sex offender that he is.

Mine was dropped to get this deal, so in my eyes this was a victory for the victims.

The other side seems to believe Tommy will have to doa few months.LOL. Ask any attorney and Tommy is looking at years not months.