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Gailon Arthur Joy

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A United States of Europe?
« on: September 05, 2011, 09:51:39 AM »

The Clay and the Iron still try to cleave together in violation of Daniel and The Revelation:

Former German Chancellor Tells CNBC: United States of Europe Will Happen, but Needs Time

The man who ran Germany when the euro began trading has an idea to save the euro zone: the creation of a "United States of Europe." Gerhard Schroeder, the social democrat who took Germany into the euro, told Der Spiegel on Sunday that the euro alone could not drive an economic bloc the size of the American economy.

"The current crisis makes it relentlessly clear that we cannot have a common currency zone without a common fiscal, economic and social policy. We will have to give up national sovereignty,” Schroeder said in the interview.

This would mean, according to the former German Chancellor, the creation of a government from the European Commission that would be overseen by the European Parliament."

But then look at this:

"Europe's sovereign debt (debt held by banks of "Treasury Notes" from various European countries) crisis will stunt bank profits for years and could kill off the weakest, Deutsche Bank Chief Executive Josef Ackermann warned industry bosses on Monday amid intense scrutiny of the sector's finances.

"Prospects for the financial sector overall are rather limited," the CEO of Germany's top bank said. "The outlook for the future growth of revenues is limited by both the current situation and structurally."

Ackermann was speaking at Frankfurt's annual Banks in Transition conference against a backdrop of gloom in the capital markets, where fears some euro zone countries could default on their debts have sent investors scurrying for shelter.

Shares in the banks that hold much of that debt dropped on Monday towards the two-year lows they reached in August."

KEEP IN MIND THAT DEUTSCHEBANK IS ONE OF 17 BANKS SUED FOR OVER $200 BILLION BY THE FEDERAL HOUSING FINANCE AGENCY ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON FOR NEGLIGENT BANKING PRACTICES THAT RESULTED IN LOSSES TO FNMA AND FHLMC.

Johann- Will Iceland become part of a United States of Europe? Are their any banks left in Iceland?

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Re: A United States of Europe?
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2011, 02:23:43 AM »

The Clay and the Iron still try to cleave together in violation of Daniel and The Revelation:

Former German Chancellor Tells CNBC: United States of Europe Will Happen, but Needs Time

The man who ran Germany when the euro began trading has an idea to save the euro zone: the creation of a "United States of Europe." Gerhard Schroeder, the social democrat who took Germany into the euro, told Der Spiegel on Sunday that the euro alone could not drive an economic bloc the size of the American economy.

"The current crisis makes it relentlessly clear that we cannot have a common currency zone without a common fiscal, economic and social policy. We will have to give up national sovereignty,” Schroeder said in the interview.

This would mean, according to the former German Chancellor, the creation of a government from the European Commission that would be overseen by the European Parliament."

But then look at this:

"Europe's sovereign debt (debt held by banks of "Treasury Notes" from various European countries) crisis will stunt bank profits for years and could kill off the weakest, Deutsche Bank Chief Executive Josef Ackermann warned industry bosses on Monday amid intense scrutiny of the sector's finances.

"Prospects for the financial sector overall are rather limited," the CEO of Germany's top bank said. "The outlook for the future growth of revenues is limited by both the current situation and structurally."

Ackermann was speaking at Frankfurt's annual Banks in Transition conference against a backdrop of gloom in the capital markets, where fears some euro zone countries could default on their debts have sent investors scurrying for shelter.

Shares in the banks that hold much of that debt dropped on Monday towards the two-year lows they reached in August."

KEEP IN MIND THAT DEUTSCHEBANK IS ONE OF 17 BANKS SUED FOR OVER $200 BILLION BY THE FEDERAL HOUSING FINANCE AGENCY ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON FOR NEGLIGENT BANKING PRACTICES THAT RESULTED IN LOSSES TO FNMA AND FHLMC.

Johann- Will Iceland become part of a United States of Europe? Are their any banks left in Iceland?

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This is quite a poignant situation where Southern Europe and the strongholds of the Roman Catholic church dominates have managed to get some of the Northern and Protestant countries within their sphere of influence. Such Northern countries like Netherland, Northern (Protestant) Germany, Great Britain, Sweden, Finland, and Denmark have already joined. The Social Democratic governments of Norway and Iceland wish to join, but the majority of the population have thus far managed to keep us out of it. The Icelandic government is applying for membership, but just yesterday a letter from a Polish commissioner has shown that Iceland will not become a member unless it adjusts its farming policies to where it could destroy the farms of Iceland.

Polls still show that the population of Iceland will not accept membership, and I believe the same is true in Norway.

We still have most of the banks in Iceland, but the Icelandic government has bought most of the stock in those banks. Some of them have changed their names but are still the same banks. More and more corruption is being exposed.
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Re: A United States of Europe?
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2011, 02:35:13 PM »

Like it or not it will be sold as a solution to economic demise and a way to avoid the pain of the austerity!!! And then it will collapse in keeping with the prophecy, but we are clearly seeing the kings of Europe flex their muscle as in Libya (with the help of the worlds "superpower"). Get ready for the United States of Europe!!!

Europeans Talk of Sharp Change in Fiscal Affairs

 
Published: Tuesday, 6 Sep 2011 | 11:18 AM
By: Louise Story and Matthew Saltmarsh
The New York Times

As leaders in Europe try to contain a deepening financial crisis, they are also increasingly talking about making fundamental changes to the way their 17-nation economic union works.

The idea is to create a central financial authority — with powers in areas like taxation, bond issuance and budget approval — that could eventually turn the euro zone into something resembling a United States of Europe.Officials have been hesitant to publicly endorse such a drastic change. But privately they say the issue has gained urgency in recent months, as it has become clear that Europe’s current approach, which requires unanimity on any significant moves, is unwieldy and inefficient. The idea is being promoted by some global financial officials, who worry about the risks that continued uncertainty in Europe poses to the global economy.

Recently, for instance, when an official from a European central bank met with a financial official in Washington, his host brandished the Articles of Confederation, the 1781 precursor to the United States Constitution, to use as an example of why stronger unions become necessary.

The story of America’s failed early effort to operate as a loose confederation of 13 states is looking increasingly relevant for many European officials. The lack of strong central coordination of the euro zone’s debt and spending policies is a crucial reason Europe has been unable to resolve its financial crisis despite more than 18 months of effort.

The lack of progress has contributed to steep declines in European stocks recently, sending tremors through markets in the United States as well. On Monday alone, several major European markets fell more than 4 percent while markets were also down on Tuesday morning in Australia and Japan.

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And that is why, despite all the political obstacles, Europe appears to be inching closer to a more centralized approach, and some officials are going public on the issue.

“If today’s policy makers want to successfully stay the course, they will have to press ahead with structural changes and deeper economic integration,” António Borges, director of the International Monetary Fund’s European unit, said in a recent speech. “To put the crisis behind us, we need more Europe, not less. And we need it now.”

Nothing happens quickly in Europe, however. For the most part, such efforts are still being made behind the scenes. But several longtime financial and central bank officials and staff members said there had been a substantial step-up in planning for a closer European fiscal relationship to match the unified monetary union under which the euro zone has operated for more than a decade.
For now, officials are mainly talking in generalities.

“The crisis has clearly revealed the need for strong economic governance in a zone with a single currency,” Jean-Claude Trichet, the departing president of the European Central Bank, said in a speech Monday, repeating earlier calls for greater fiscal discipline.

Officials, who spoke anonymously because their discussions were politically charged, said a major overhaul of the way Europe conducts fiscal policy was likely to take a long time and require changes in the treaties governing the euro. But they pointed to the smaller changes that were already taking place as evidence that euro area financial ministries see that they have little choice but to move together if they want to avoid a catastrophic breakdown.

With the new bailout for Greece that was agreed upon by European leaders in July still awaiting approval from each country in the euro zone, the fractionalized way that Europe runs fiscal decision-making risks setting off yet another crisis at each step along the way. Every plan requires agreement among finance ministers and the Parliament of any member country can veto the deal.

Many economists say that the Continent’s debt crisis, which began in early 2010 with the threat that Greece might have to default on its loans, could have been resolved far more quickly if there were some sort of central financial body, akin to the Treasury Department in the United States.

“If they had the equivalent of the U.S. Treasury, then this treasury could have formulated proposals with the collective objective in mind, rather than 17 national objectives competing with each other,” said Garry J. Schinasi, a former official with the International Monetary Fund who now privately advises European central banks and governments. “Instead, they fumbled around and took two baby steps forward and three backward.”

The idea of a European Treasury that would enforce fiscal discipline on wayward countries, while also having the power to spread European Union wealth from healthier countries to ones struggling to pay their debts, is fiercely unpopular among voters in many countries. Those in prosperous nations like Germany do not want to see their taxes used to bail out countries that borrowed their way into trouble. And those in weaker nations are reluctant to allow outsiders to dictate how their governments spend their money and tax their citizens.

Europe’s currency union has its roots in the agreement signed in 1992 known as the Maastricht Treaty, which set in motion the rules for creating the euro and for joining the euro zone. A later agreement established the European Central Bank, which manages interest rates much like the United States Federal Reserve.

But the Maastricht Treaty stopped short of telling countries how to handle spending or taxation, leaving them loose rules on budget deficits to follow — or break, as many did, including Germany and France in the early days of the euro.

In the United States, of course, agreements between Congress and the White House on budget measures can be extremely difficult to reach. But the European process is even more arduous. The problems were highlighted Friday when talks between the Europeans, the I.M.F. and Greece were put off because Athens was coming up short in its plans for meeting budget targets. Stock markets promptly fell on the news.

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This week, more challenges await. The top court in Germany is scheduled to rule Wednesday on whether it is legal for that country’s leaders to make such an agreement. While it is expected to allow Germany to participate in the bailout, the constitutional court could surprise the experts.

On Thursday, officials in Finland are supposed to make a statement outlining their conditions for approving the deal, which will probably set the pattern for other countries seeking guarantees from Greece that their loans will be paid back.

The heavy lifting involved in approving the new deal for Greece illustrates how difficult it would be to create a European Treasury.

But that has not stopped some officials from calling for moves in that direction. Last month, Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, and Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president, proposed new financial transaction taxes for the euro zone, as well as standards for corporate tax laws, so no country could lure businesses at the expense of others with exceptionally low tax rates. They also proposed that each country enshrine in its constitution rules that would limit deficits, a process that is now under way in Spain, Portugal and elsewhere.

Last Thursday, Wolfgang Schäuble, the German finance minister, told the newspaper Bild that he would like to see the European Union’s treaty revised — an arduous process — to enable the union to make common fiscal policies.

An official in the German Finance Ministry, who was not authorized to speak on the matter publicly, said the ministry was trying to avoid terms like fiscal union because it would alienate voters. But he acknowledged that it saw such a union as both necessary and inevitable.

“You could call it a fiscal union, but the minister won’t do that,” the official said. “What we are talking about is pooling our fiscal policy and doing to fiscal policy what we’ve done with monetary policy.”
The euro zone is also moving to increase oversight of countries’ budget plans earlier in the process and to give the European Commission greater power to propose financial penalties on countries that violate the rules, unless blocked by a large majority of members.

If and when that happens, said Graham Bishop, an independent financial analyst who has advised the British and European Parliaments, it “would be the moment of collective control of an errant state — the final step toward a de facto political union.”

This story originally appeared in The New York Times
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