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[Gailon Arthur Joy]

You, Sir mizer, are a false accuser. Bearing False witness is breaking the ten commandments, remember those commandments that were TWICE REMOVED!!! Well, you just made it three(3).

Starting with the purported source, let's be clear that we did not publish anything from ANY SOURCE that could not be corroberated by at least TWO (2) SOURCES. That is a standard that none of the 3ABN perpetrators EVER UTILIZED...assuming you have any standards at all.

And you are now in a position to prove the visitation allegation. IT IS ALSO A FALSE ACCUSATION!!!

We did our homework and you ran in the face of the evidence and the TRUTH. 3ABN is a sham and a hypocrisy and needs to be sept aside with the rest of the apostacy...yes, #ABN is an apostate.... A LIVING LIE!!!

The shame is on all those that perpetuate the LIE. And that clearly includes you. I can safely declare that if you could not LIE, you would behave nothing to say. 

Keep up the venerable work of misrepresentation, salacious and libelous false staements and perpetuate yourself into the abyss. An appropriate punishment for your foul mouth.

Gailon Arthur Joy a proud card carrying Tea Party Adventist
AUReporter

[princessdi]

Mercy!  You all these two venomous posts were posted on Sabbath.....for Nosir....what happened or didn't happen at your church today that you can come skrate home from worship service and post that kind of stuff?  I'm jes askin'................

[Johann]

"For to be free is not merely to cast off one's
chains, but to live in a way that respects and
enhances the freedom of others."
--Nelson Mandela

[Nosir Myzing]

You, Sir mizer, are a false accuser. Bearing False witness is breaking the ten commandments, remember those commandments that were TWICE REMOVED!!! Well, you just made it three(3).

Starting with the purported source, let's be clear that we did not publish anything from ANY SOURCE that could not be corroberated by at least TWO (2) SOURCES. That is a standard that none of the 3ABN perpetrators EVER UTILIZED...assuming you have any standards at all.

Three negatives do not a positive make, Joy. That has been the problem all along. You have 2 or three people telling a story and think that it is established as the truth. It isn't. Many accused Jesus of the same things, over and over, but when examined, none of their stories matched, remember that? Let me give you an example of a story your source gave you and one you claim was verified. A 10,000 love gift from 3ABN to Tommy Shelton. You think that happened, you repeat it over and over, but it never happened, there was no such check from 3ABN to TS, and he has said that and challenged folks to check bank accounts and 3ABN has denied it, but you have your 3 liars as "sources".. and never seem to realize you have zero evidence to back it up.

And you are now in a position to prove the visitation allegation. IT IS ALSO A FALSE ACCUSATION!!!

You should talk to the different parties and see the paperwork before making such claims Joy, as this claim of yours just confirms for me you have never done so, and  that you don't bother to "investigate" thoroughly before "reporting".

snipped balance...

For Princess Di --

Your continuing condemnations and judgments against both sides while refusing to find out the truth before doing so is tiresome also, it doesn't make you look fair, imo, it make you appear uninformed. IMO, you should not say anything unless you have facts or evidence to contribute but, if you choose to keep talking that's your right.

I will just say that your definition of venomous and mine are obviously different. It is my belief that identifying a false accuser and instigating troublemaker  is not breaking the Sabbath, nor does it mean I had a bad day at Church. That's ridiculous imo. What is venomous in my book is false accusations and gossip and slander against others. The bible identifies that as having a poison tongue, character assasination (murder)and sin. I don't like that and I will say that and can, even though you think it's mean. We'll just have to disagree and let the Lord decide, alright?

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Sir Mizer,
I realize you are delusional, and let me clarify that Tommy Ray Shelton, Danny Lee Shelton and a good many of the "Administrators" of 3ABN are anything but reliable sources.

 But this I can most certainly assert...that "love gift" and several other "love gifts" had sources from within your beloved financial dept and at least one was incidently verified by your beloved General Manager. The "LOVE GIFTS" were originally disclosed by several internal sources and those we could get verified were reported. BUT, rest assured, the missing money and payoffs in their various forms have frequently been confirmed by so many sources they are OVERWHLMING...and I dare you to try it out...stipulate to vacate YOUR dismissal and we will finish discovery and put it to a Federal Jury.

My guess is that further evidence will come into the light of day with the current litigation, unless you are willing to pay a few million to get rid of this newest discovery revelator!!!

We have repeatedly proven that Tommy and Danny are AVID LIARS and I invite them to reopen the civil court system and try and prove otherwise. Any takers??? How about the Sir Mizer???

AND if you are so confident, simply vacate the "confidentiality" order and we will be happy to display ALL THE EVIDENCE. Think you can handle it? Get me a document authorizing the vacating of the confidentiality agreement and let's just see what surprises are in those "confidential" portfolios. I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU, YOU WIMPS!!!

And as to the "visitation issue" shall we say "put your documents where your mouth is" and be sure to tell the entire story or I shall be happy to embarrass you once again. YOU KNOW VERY WELL THAT ALLEGATION IS GROUNDLESS AND JUST ANOTHER EFFORT TO PERPETUATE A FALSE ALLEGATION!!!
A SPECIALTY OF THE 3ABN TEAM!!! LIAR, LIAR is the best description!!!

SO VACATE THE DISMISSAL AND THE CONFIDENTIALITY ORDER AND LET"S SEE HOW RED YOU CAN REALLY GET!!! DOUBLE DOG DARE!!! 

You and your ilk remain an embarrassment to the Three Angels Message and the Seventh-day Adventist Church...and more and more you are proving yourselves to be IRRELEVANT and HYPOCRITS. The Lord will shut you down soon enough!!!

And let's discuss that name...you are clearly a misnomer and should be ashamed to proclaim and perpetuate such a lie!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

[Sam]

How about simply "takes his daughter to see Harry Potter...?" That simple question is so
fundamentally in opposition to Adventist Theology that "on the Sabbath" is just fine for
this tortured apostate. OVER THE EDGE...

Gailon Arthur Joy a proud card carrying member of Tea Party Adventism
AUReporter

Minions must do what minions must do to try making points. Its their function.

And this from one who allegedly takes his daughter to see a Harry Potter movie on the Sabbath.  Hhmm...

Who allegedly takes his daughter to see a Harry Potter movie on the Sabbath? 

Well that's the same snake you and Pickle have clasped to your bosom all along, Joy,. The one who all along has played nice-nice with 3abn ( I was there) while stabbing all in the back and falsely accusing them. The same man who you and Pickle  listed as one of your main sources against 3ABN in your court documents. The same man who freely and unabashedly posts profanity in public posts and posts pictures of juveniles flipping folks off, all in  his own real name, along with being a child pornography addict unable to have visitation with his own children alone according to court documents. Yes, I have photo copied all, or can prove all as is necessary, because this is all God's truth, can you document the lies he's told you? NO. Pickle can only say " I heard", or "it was reported" or "a source said" and make twisted distorted arguments trying to support those false allegations.

Will this post , as others here, be deleted as "inappropriate material" or as being a "personal attack" when I am just trying to make the truth known and cause folks to think or at least question things?? We'll see... ( As always we make copies as we are used to this forum and the characters and double standards here) I am guessing that "sda minister" who previously only tried to identify 3abn sabbath breakers will never say a word against his crony here or acknowledge any wrong.. I am guessing that members who post: "I'm sure it is important to attack someone on "Sabbath observance" when nothing else comes to mind.  " and who have never made that observation before when it concerned their own making such accusations, will NEVER do so in the future either wbut will support the accusations their own make in that regard, or zip their lips. Can we say "partiality" or "bias"?


Shame on you all, you need to do your homework and get to know who you believe or disbelieve, and learn to prove all things rather than believing what you choose to, or going by appearances or your own impressions.

Wow...this may be the most spot on post ever presented here.  So many accurate points that any argument would be foolish.

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Yes he has been a "source" for years for Pickle & Joy.  So when Joy spouts that he has at least 2 "sources" maybe one should question who those "sources" are.  So far the "sources" have been known liars, ex employees with a beef, bitter ex wives and people desperate for attention.  Desperate for attention would include pickledjoy themselves.

The truth is Pickle or Joy have never been to 3abn, have never met Danny, Mollie, Jim or the board members.  They have never met any of the accountants or auditors or any of the people they have accused of wrong doing. They have never spent even one day watching 125 3abn employees function at full capacity to bring the gospel of Jesus Christ to the world.

How long can they say that Doug B, Kenneth Cox, David A, John C. and a host of other ministers are just "over looking" 3abn crimes?  How long can it be said that the full support of the conference towards 3abn is just so they can "use" it to their own end?  Why would they need 3abn when they have Hope and even Loma Linda? Doesn't make sense does it?  How long before you all cannot make excuses for 3abn support from all these powerful sources that have been to 3abn, have watched day to day functions, have met and come to know those that work there?  How long before you acknowledge that Pickle and Joy and their wonderful "sources" stand for nothing in the presence of those who are well aquainted with 3abn staff and administration and who know and understand men like Joy and Pickle and their "sources".  Those who understand the difference between facts and rumors, gossip, lies, "I was told" and "one must come to the conclusion that...".  Not to mention that Joy and Pickle have less than stellar backgrounds and have been caught in lie after lie.  Add that to the fact that anyone in the world who would read Joy's rantings and ravings could not deny mental instability.

This little fiasco that started with Linda then was taken up by Pickle and Joy has dwindled to almost nothing as more and more people have seen the light, the truth and the nature of those involved in trying to bring down 3abn.  It just isn't working anymore.
 
 
 
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[Bob Pickle]

Pickle can only say " I heard", or "it was reported" or "a source said" and make twisted distorted arguments trying to support those false allegations.

Such as? Please be specific.

[Bob Pickle]

The truth is Pickle or Joy have never been to 3abn, have never met Danny, Mollie, Jim or the board members.  They have never met any of the accountants or auditors or any of the people they have accused of wrong doing.

Your statement is false.

I agree with Gailon. Stipulate to vacating the dismissal order and confidentiality order, and we'll lay out that documented facts for all to see.

But in reality, such is unnecessary. Regarding the kickback issue, there is plenty already in the public domain to prove that there was a kickback scheme, including Simpson's admission. All the Remnant documents would do is prove how much in kickbacks Danny Shelton got from Remnant.

[Nosir Myzing]

The truth is Pickle or Joy have never been to 3abn, have never met Danny, Mollie, Jim or the board members.  They have never met any of the accountants or auditors or any of the people they have accused of wrong doing.

Your statement is false.

I agree with Gailon. Stipulate to vacating the dismissal order and confidentiality order, and we'll lay out that documented facts for all to see.

But in reality, such is unnecessary. Regarding the kickback issue, there is plenty already in the public domain to prove that there was a kickback scheme, including Simpson's admission. All the Remnant documents would do is prove how much in kickbacks Danny Shelton got from Remnant.

You made all these accusations before the lawsuit, Pickle. You should have had proof or said nothing then. Since then the IRS investigated all of your complaints, and found nothing... NOTHING. You can't prove what others far more qualified then you and your fellow accusers could not. The IRS was allowed to go back as far as they liked if they had reason to, but didn't go back even as far as all your alleged crimes indicated they should have for they had no reason to. Your continued claims about the house agreement etc and saying well they never investigated back that far are STUPID. If your reported accusations had any merit or could hold water or were even questionable they would have and could have gone back that far, and further.

Please educate yourself:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24465262/Irs-Criminal-Investigation


You claim --without proof or support-- that 3ABN payed an exorbitant amount of money.
If the criminal investigation had uncovered any wrong doing,(kick backs etc) they would have filed an indictment. The very purpose for the IRS to do so is as a public deterrent, and thus it is always public, not secret or private. They are required to file an indictment once the investigation uncovers any wrongdoing or crimes etc... They haven't done so. Only after a indictment and trial would fines or penalties be awarded, and again, that WOULD BE PUBLIC. Under certain situations the IRS might accept payments or corrections to Filed returns or reports, but those exceptions are limited, very limited, and always involves filing a corrected or amended return and filingswhen that is done, NEVER after the fact. It has been years now... and there are no amended or corrected public filings, are there? If there had been? It would be in the public domain, and you would have published it as proof. You have NOT done so for there aren't any.

You claim Simpson admitted the house issue and others weren't investigated but he never said that. That is your convoluted reasoning and false logic. When you start with a false premise , Pickle? Your logic always falls apart.
All Simpson ever said was what years the investigation covered, the rest is your fantasy as you can't accept you could be mistaken or wrong, and thus you are a false accuser.

You have claimed the IRS investigation is ongoing and not closed, despite claiming that 3ABN illegally ordered documents destroyed when the IRS asked what they wanted them to do with all the copies they had made for their investigation, and despite the fact that the originals were not destroyed. Why would the IRS even ask them that if the investigation was ongoing? They would still need the documents to continue investigating and making a case, right? Most rational and sensible people can understand that. Why can't you, Pickle?

Give it up, Pickle! You aren't infallible and it's not working. It never will.

[Johann]

How about simply "takes his daughter to see Harry Potter...?" That simple question is so
fundamentally in opposition to Adventist Theology that "on the Sabbath" is just fine for
this tortured apostate. OVER THE EDGE...

Gailon Arthur Joy a proud card carrying member of Tea Party Adventism
AUReporter

Minions must do what minions must do to try making points. Its their function.

And this from one who allegedly takes his daughter to see a Harry Potter movie on the Sabbath.  Hhmm...

Who allegedly takes his daughter to see a Harry Potter movie on the Sabbath? 

Well that's the same snake you and Pickle have clasped to your bosom all along, Joy,. The one who all along has played nice-nice with 3abn ( I was there) while stabbing all in the back and falsely accusing them. The same man who you and Pickle  listed as one of your main sources against 3ABN in your court documents. The same man who freely and unabashedly posts profanity in public posts and posts pictures of juveniles flipping folks off, all in  his own real name, along with being a child pornography addict unable to have visitation with his own children alone according to court documents. Yes, I have photo copied all, or can prove all as is necessary, because this is all God's truth, can you document the lies he's told you? NO. Pickle can only say " I heard", or "it was reported" or "a source said" and make twisted distorted arguments trying to support those false allegations.

Will this post , as others here, be deleted as "inappropriate material" or as being a "personal attack" when I am just trying to make the truth known and cause folks to think or at least question things?? We'll see... ( As always we make copies as we are used to this forum and the characters and double standards here) I am guessing that "sda minister" who previously only tried to identify 3abn sabbath breakers will never say a word against his crony here or acknowledge any wrong.. I am guessing that members who post: "I'm sure it is important to attack someone on "Sabbath observance" when nothing else comes to mind.  " and who have never made that observation before when it concerned their own making such accusations, will NEVER do so in the future either wbut will support the accusations their own make in that regard, or zip their lips. Can we say "partiality" or "bias"?


Shame on you all, you need to do your homework and get to know who you believe or disbelieve, and learn to prove all things rather than believing what you choose to, or going by appearances or your own impressions.

It seems like you do keep a good record of certain things. Did you also keep a record of the phone call a certain lawyer made to apologize he had made a false accusation of pornography that he could not prove?

[Bob Pickle]

Sirmizer,

Let's start with the kickback issue.

It is a proven fact that 3ABN buys books from Pacific Press, but instead bought Danny's Pacific Press booklets from Remnant for a higher price when Remnant didn't even stock them. Simpson admitted that Danny got paid by Remnant for those sales.

On what basis are you claiming that such payments were not kickbacks?

After you have adequately explained this one, we can move on to other issues.

[Nosir Myzing]

Sir Mizer,
I realize you are delusional, and let me clarify that Tommy Ray Shelton, Danny Lee Shelton and a good many of the "Administrators" of 3ABN are anything but reliable sources.

 But this I can most certainly assert...that "love gift" and several other "love gifts" had sources from within your beloved financial dept and at least one was incidently verified by your beloved General Manager. The "LOVE GIFTS" were originally disclosed by several internal sources and those we could get verified were reported. BUT, rest assured, the missing money and payoffs in their various forms have frequently been confirmed by so many sources they are OVERWHLMING...and I dare you to try it out...stipulate to vacate YOUR dismissal and we will finish discovery and put it to a Federal Jury.

My guess is that further evidence will come into the light of day with the current litigation, unless you are willing to pay a few million to get rid of this newest discovery revelator!!!

We have repeatedly proven that Tommy and Danny are AVID LIARS and I invite them to reopen the civil court system and try and prove otherwise. Any takers??? How about the Sir Mizer???

AND if you are so confident, simply vacate the "confidentiality" order and we will be happy to display ALL THE EVIDENCE. Think you can handle it? Get me a document authorizing the vacating of the confidentiality agreement and let's just see what surprises are in those "confidential" portfolios. I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU, YOU WIMPS!!!

And as to the "visitation issue" shall we say "put your documents where your mouth is" and be sure to tell the entire story or I shall be happy to embarrass you once again. YOU KNOW VERY WELL THAT ALLEGATION IS GROUNDLESS AND JUST ANOTHER EFFORT TO PERPETUATE A FALSE ALLEGATION!!!
A SPECIALTY OF THE 3ABN TEAM!!! LIAR, LIAR is the best description!!!

SO VACATE THE DISMISSAL AND THE CONFIDENTIALITY ORDER AND LET"S SEE HOW RED YOU CAN REALLY GET!!! DOUBLE DOG DARE!!! 

You and your ilk remain an embarrassment to the Three Angels Message and the Seventh-day Adventist Church...and more and more you are proving yourselves to be IRRELEVANT and HYPOCRITS. The Lord will shut you down soon enough!!!

And let's discuss that name...you are clearly a misnomer and should be ashamed to proclaim and perpetuate such a lie!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

Arthur,
 
I  appreciate your bluntness, but I accept NOTHING you claim with words only. Your bellicose blusters, double dog dares, empty claims of proof, your dire threats, and your false judgments that I, or another, are sinful or damned,  your  name calling and chants such as "wimps" or "liar, liar!"  mean nothing to me, as I have considered the fruits and lack of documentation well before now. I'm sorry, but I do consider you scary, and mentally unbalanced and fanatical, but you can't and don't frighten me, and never will. We both know that isn't what the Lord was talking about when he asked us to love one another as He loved us or asked us to come reason together, or what Paul meant when he said "let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind" along with "Let this mind be in you which was also in Jesus Christ", for that last is how each man needs to become fully persuaded...  I do hope and pray for the best for you, despite that... and hope you do for me as well. So? Let's not waste our time with such childishness or unchristian dialogue in the future, please.


You threatened:

"be sure to tell the entire story or I shall be happy to embarrass you once again. YOU KNOW VERY WELL THAT ALLEGATION IS GROUNDLESS AND JUST ANOTHER EFFORT TO PERPETUATE A FALSE ALLEGATION!!!
A SPECIALTY OF THE 3ABN TEAM!!! LIAR, LIAR is the best description!!! "

Please be aware that you can't embarrass me on this issue.

I know this man's version and excuse and explanation. I have heard it. I have also heard his friends who believed it, repeat it and try to explain it in their own words- although they weren't there and only knew what he said, as do you.

I was trying to explain how all involved or witness to should also be heard and diligent inquiry and investigation done. I have done that also, but you, Sir, have not.

I don't know how you could have verified this as you claim with at least 2 sources, when only this man tells his story... You never talked to his ex-wife or family.

Even Linda Shelton, who is not a 3abn supporter and who was aligned with him, and who after all the problems stopped by his house, was disturbed by what she saw and warned his ex-wife out of concern-- although they were estranged and had been for quite some time, Linda calling her "the enemy" and refusing to even appear with her at the same events, etc..

He was not just divorced once for his problems and blamed because he had stood by Linda (according to him), this was the second divorce. He had been in counselling, he had been under church discipline and even his new employers knew and had talked to him about this, and you were given their names to contact , Joy. Brad Thorpe being one. I don't know if any of those involved would have talked to you or even if they would today, but to the best of my knowledge you never made the attempt.

That is why I find you and you investigations wanting. Perhaps you would not have agreed still, but my point is you never bothered to make the attempt, or apparently saw the need, but presume to judge me and call me a liar, and demand proof from me as if you require it now. It is not up to me to furnish all their statements and the documents to you to disprove the lies, it was up to you to ask for all that before you started making claims and false accusations or defending evil doers. That is not right, Joy, to my way of thinking and that is all I have to say about topic.

[Nosir Myzing]

Sirmizer,

Let's start with the kickback issue.

It is a proven fact that 3ABN buys books from Pacific Press, but instead bought Danny's Pacific Press booklets from Remnant for a higher price when Remnant didn't even stock them. Simpson admitted that Danny got paid by Remnant for those sales.

On what basis are you claiming that such payments were not kickbacks?

After you have adequately explained this one, we can move on to other issues.

More dust in the wind... The IRS trumps you, Pickle. Deal with it.

[Bob Pickle]

Sirmizer,

Let's start with the kickback issue.

It is a proven fact that 3ABN buys books from Pacific Press, but instead bought Danny's Pacific Press booklets from Remnant for a higher price when Remnant didn't even stock them. Simpson admitted that Danny got paid by Remnant for those sales.

On what basis are you claiming that such payments were not kickbacks?

After you have adequately explained this one, we can move on to other issues.

More dust in the wind... The IRS trumps you, Pickle. Deal with it.

That's as I thought. You have no way to explain it, because there is no way to explain it.

Now if you think the IRS approved of the kickbacks, or said that the kickbacks weren't kickbacks, then by all means, publish the official IRS statement here. But there is no such IRS statement, and you know it.

The truth trumps you, Sirmizer. Deal with it.

[Nosir Myzing]

Folks,  The IRS does not make statements vindicating those it investigates if nothing is found. Nor would they ever make a statement saying something illegal or in violation of U.S. codes and statutes was ok. Pickle knows this, and that what he is asking for is impossible here.

On the other hand,when the IRS do find something wrong or criminal. They do publish and make known all indictments and charges as a PUBLIC Deterrent. For that same reason they also make known sentencing and fines when those who are indicted go on to be found guilty.   If there was a kick back scheme as Pickle alleges, it would have resulted in a tax evasion charge at the least... He is 100% wrong here, he has no indictment,as the IRS found nothing, he has no proof of amended returns as none were needed or filed. Again, because the IRS found NOTHING wrong. He has no public announcements or news releases or court filings from the IRS or the courts backing anything he is continuing to claim here. The IRS investigated far more thoroughly than Pickle, Joy and their sources ever did, had access to far more documents, and they found NOTHING wrong or needing corrected. It's been over for quite awhile despite the false accusations still going on here. The very fact that none of these things have occurred and that none of these things were filed and all of the copies of the documents they made for their investigation were returned or destroyed IS the proof that the IRS Investigation is over and that the investigation vindicated 3ABN.

I am quite sure Pickle is going to continue arguing and insisting he is right, but I am not going to bother arguing back anymore about this. Imo it's a waste of time,  just plain ridiculous, arrogant, and downright pathetic the way he and Joy are still carrying on in their denial and refusal to face reality with their repeated false accusations.

L8trs...