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[Daryl Fawcett]

Per staff consensus, the reported post and the direct response to it have both been removed from this topic.

[Johann]

Let's try again, Johann.

You quoted Isaiah 59:4 (New American Standard Bible)

         No one sues righteously and no one pleads honestly
         They trust in confusion and speak lies;
         They conceive mischief and bring forth iniquity.

However, as you posted elsewhere, not every version interpets this verse as "no one sues righteously" do they?  In fact, other versions do not use the word "sue" at all or am I wrong?  Am I inaccurate in my understanding that some interpret this to be referring to a break down of the court and justice system at that time and not an admonition that no should sue?

Do you pefer this one? Isaiah 59:4 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)

Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society
[NIV at IBS] [International Bible Society] [NIV at Zondervan] [Zondervan]

 4 No one calls for justice;
       no one pleads his case with integrity.
       They rely on empty arguments and speak lies;
       they conceive trouble and give birth to evil.

The various versions refer to injustice.

If you prefer to call it justice when a Christian spends millions of dollars to sue others, then that is your prerogative.

[ImaAnt]

Do you pefer this one? Isaiah 59:4 (New International Version)

Actually, I do.  Why?  Because I do not think your prior use of this verse to prove a point was what the verse was ever intended to mean.  Obviously, my opinion after my own consideration of the passage in the context of that chapter of Isaiah.

New International Version (NIV)

Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society
[NIV at IBS] [International Bible Society] [NIV at Zondervan] [Zondervan]

 4 No one calls for justice;
       no one pleads his case with integrity.
       They rely on empty arguments and speak lies;
       they conceive trouble and give birth to evil.

The various versions refer to injustice.

If you prefer to call it justice when a Christian spends millions of dollars to sue others, then that is your prerogative.

Can you point to any statement I have made that supports such a comment by you? There are adjectives I could use to describe my perceived tone of your statement but I won't digress.

May I ask what definition of "justice" you are using here?  The dictionary has several options so I need to know which one you are using in this context before I can tell you whether I do call it justice or not.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

And why would you wish an explanation? Do you not already have your own interpretation of the verse and it's application?

Perhaps we could move the discussion up a notch and get your version of Justice. And while you are at it, give us your exogesis of the text.

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Johann]

Do you pefer this one? Isaiah 59:4 (New International Version)

Actually, I do.  Why?  Because I do not think your prior use of this verse to prove a point was what the verse was ever intended to mean.  Obviously, my opinion after my own consideration of the passage in the context of that chapter of Isaiah.

How much does your opinion count? Another portrait of a vivid sunset? What is the context you are referring to? What Bible truth are you dealing with?

New International Version (NIV)

Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society
[NIV at IBS] [International Bible Society] [NIV at Zondervan] [Zondervan]

 4 No one calls for justice;
       no one pleads his case with integrity.
       They rely on empty arguments and speak lies;
       they conceive trouble and give birth to evil.

The various versions refer to injustice.

If you prefer to call it justice when a Christian spends millions of dollars to sue others, then that is your prerogative.

Can you point to any statement I have made that supports such a comment by you? There are adjectives I could use to describe my perceived tone of your statement but I won't digress.

May I ask what definition of "justice" you are using here?  The dictionary has several options so I need to know which one you are using in this context before I can tell you whether I do call it justice or not.

I am not interested in any previous statements of yours. Only what you say now. I am referring to the justice referred to in the textual context. How much different is yours?

[Daryl Fawcett]

This is to inform you I have edited some of your posts for formatting correction purposes only.