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[Gailon Arthur Joy]

The important point is that Linda and Brenda were both going, Brenda, not Linda, ordered the tickets, the Dr was not going to be there, the ladies could have gone but did not because Danny was in a "bad mood".

Now Danny has repeatedly claimed Linda met the Doctor in Florida and it simply NEVER happened.

The Danny Lee Shelton circle is now propogating a new Lie that it was another date then we have documented that Linda did not use the ticket from the Ticket issuer. SO give us a date and provide ticket information and we will chase it down...and yes, Danny Lee Shelton is, and has been, a LIAR!!!

Remember the assertion that McNeilus was paying for the lawsuit? We know that is a lie and perhaps you would like to prove otherwise.

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

[Nosir Myzing]

There was reportedly more than one trip planned to Florida, and there was reportedly only one time that Linda was gone and unaccounted for and unresponsive and that was the time when her mother called and left a message for Linda on DS and LS's answering machine regarding her being in Florida.

Please date this alleged second planned trip to Florida. When was it? When did Linda's mother leave that alleged message?

Your failure to respond with a concrete date will be taken as firm evidence that you have none.

I certainly have never been able to find any other date for an alleged trip to Florida.

Yesir Myzing,

Would you care to answer the question that Pat Williams thus far refuses to answer? Hint: It would have to be between April 6 and the end of May, but could not fall on dates that Linda is known to have been elsewhere than Florida.

Yesir Myzing,

It looks like a distraction tactic on your part to be pointing out where Gailon has forgotten some details, while neglecting the all important point of when Pat William's alleged second trip to Florida was.

PLEASE, tell us when the alleged second trip took place. Without an actual second trip, Brenda's tale is a lie.

Bob, you can keep asking questions, and issuing your ultimatums till dooms day but I for one am never going to answer your demands. Like Pat before me, I don't want to dialogue with you either precisely because of that type of thing. I believe straight forward communication with you impossible. The fact that you are either ignoring the basics of a courteous and respectful discussion, or can't comprehend that Johann was asked a question first and needs to answer, before others here can  expect their secondary question to be reasonably answered whether by Pat or another in turn, confirms that for me.  Have a nice evening.

[Johann]

Bob, you can keep asking questions till dooms day but I for one will not answer your demands. Like Pat before me, I don't want to dialogue with you either as I believe straight forward communication with you impossible. The fact that you are either ignoring the basics of a courteous and respectful discussion, or can't comprehend that Johann was asked a question first and needs to answer, before you can all expect your secondary question to be courteously answered by Pat or another in turn, confirms that for me.  Have a nice evening.

Have a nice day.

Long before that I have been asking questions that have never been answered except with your distraction tactics.

It is you who have been accusing Linda and Arild of making a trip together without giving any hint that indicates you are telling the truth. An accuser has to verify the accusations unless the other party readily admits, which is far from being the case here.

You keep covering your statements with false accusations and think you manage to get away with it.

[Nosir Myzing]

Bob, you can keep asking questions till dooms day but I for one will not answer your demands. Like Pat before me, I don't want to dialogue with you either as I believe straight forward communication with you impossible. The fact that you are either ignoring the basics of a courteous and respectful discussion, or can't comprehend that Johann was asked a question first and needs to answer, before you can all expect your secondary question to be courteously answered by Pat or another in turn, confirms that for me.  Have a nice evening.

Have a nice day.

Long before that I have been asking questions that have never been answered except with your distraction tactics.

It is you who have been accusing Linda and Arild of making a trip together without giving any hint that indicates you are telling the truth. An accuser has to verify the accusations unless the other party readily admits, which is far from being the case here.

You keep covering your statements with false accusations and think you manage to get away with it.

Did you miss this, or was there something about it that you didn't understand?

   
Re: NEW LIES
« Reply #41 on: Today at 12:41:50 PM »
   
That's not working, Johann. You are accusing another of what you yourself are doing and is the "Same method as you people have been doing right from the beginning. Avoiding the real issue."

First you answer the initial question asked of you, then you get to ask your follow up question and get an answer. So, to quote you again: "Get down to business and verify some of your claims."

Your claims here, were these:

Johan posted:« on: March 02, 2011, 04:24:33 PM »
"my first wife, Irmgard, and I, spent all the time during the spring of 2004 with Dr. Arild Abrahamsen that a certain Danny Shelton claimed in his writings to me that Linda was together with the Doctor in Florida.

Johan posted:« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2011 at 07:22:34 AM »
 " Not only that, but Irmgard and I were staying with Dr. Arild Abrhamsen in Norway during all of that time Danny Shelton insisted he was in Florida together with Linda."

You were asked When? what was the date you claim Danny insisted Linda was in Florida with the Doctor? What was that date you are claiming you were with the Doctor instead and so are the alibi for Arild Abrahamsson and Linda? and you were asked for the documentation you claim exists in the writings of Danny Shelton concerning that date.

For years you have called Danny a liar because of this, and for years you have caused others to call him a liar because of your personal testimony about this, so again, you are being asked to "Get down to business and verify some of your claims."

[Bob Pickle]

There was reportedly more than one trip planned to Florida, and there was reportedly only one time that Linda was gone and unaccounted for and unresponsive and that was the time when her mother called and left a message for Linda on DS and LS's answering machine regarding her being in Florida.

Please date this alleged second planned trip to Florida. When was it? When did Linda's mother leave that alleged message?

Your failure to respond with a concrete date will be taken as firm evidence that you have none.

I certainly have never been able to find any other date for an alleged trip to Florida.

Yesir Myzing,

Would you care to answer the question that Pat Williams thus far refuses to answer? Hint: It would have to be between April 6 and the end of May, but could not fall on dates that Linda is known to have been elsewhere than Florida.

Yesir Myzing,

It looks like a distraction tactic on your part to be pointing out where Gailon has forgotten some details, while neglecting the all important point of when Pat William's alleged second trip to Florida was.

PLEASE, tell us when the alleged second trip took place. Without an actual second trip, Brenda's tale is a lie.

Bob, you can keep asking questions, and issuing your ultimatums till dooms day but I for one am never going to answer your demands. Like Pat before me, I don't want to dialogue with you either precisely because of that type of thing. I believe straight forward communication with you impossible. The fact that you are either ignoring the basics of a courteous and respectful discussion, or can't comprehend that Johann was asked a question first and needs to answer, before others here can  expect their secondary question to be reasonably answered whether by Pat or another in turn, confirms that for me.  Have a nice evening.

Excuses, excuses. And distorted besides.

Pat's "question" to Johann, which I was referring to, specifically stated:

There was reportedly more than one trip planned to Florida, and there was reportedly only one time that Linda was gone and unaccounted for and unresponsive and that was the time when her mother called and left a message for Linda on DS and LS's answering machine regarding her being in Florida. Were you and Irmgard with the Doctor then, Johann? When was that? Tell everyone, please as it is documented.

Now if Pat was really telling the truth, if it really is so well documented, then Pat (and you) would be able to answer the question as to when the other alleged trip to Florida took place. But obviously you can't answer it, not because you don't want to converse with me, but because you don't have an answer, and don't have any documentation to prove Pat's mere assertion to be correct.

Therefore, it seems safe to conclude that Pat's hypothesis is false.

[Snoopy]

No response regarding the new visit hypothesis, huh???

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

If they had it they would have produced it several years back. So here we have a document that they are lying, but just are not ready to admit it yet. Right, Cindy?

You may be waiting awhile, Joy. It appears that the place and conditions of a dialogue with you were removed from a post here and possibly even the poster if "toodles" from Snoopy means what I am presuming it does.

Thanks, but actually I picked up that term from Cindy Conard Ford - you might ask her what it means...

[Nosir Myzing]

Quoting:

Re: New lies? Same ole lies...
Postby Pat Williams » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:17 am UTC

Bob, you can keep asking questions, and issuing your ultimatums till dooms day but I for one am never going to answer your demands. Like Pat before me, I don't want to dialogue with you either precisely because of that type of thing. I believe straight forward communication with you impossible. The fact that you are either ignoring the basics of a courteous and respectful discussion, or can't comprehend that Johann was asked a question first and needs to answer, before others here can  expect their secondary question to be reasonably answered whether by Pat or another in turn, confirms that for me.  Have a nice evening.

Excuses, excuses. And distorted besides.

Pat's "question" to Johann, which I was referring to, specifically stated:

There was reportedly more than one trip planned to Florida, and there was reportedly only one time that Linda was gone and unaccounted for and unresponsive and that was the time when her mother called and left a message for Linda on DS and LS's answering machine regarding her being in Florida. Were you and Irmgard with the Doctor then, Johann? When was that? Tell everyone, please as it is documented.

Now if Pat was really telling the truth, if it really is so well documented, then Pat (and you) would be able to answer the question as to when the other alleged trip to Florida took place. But obviously you can't answer it, not because you don't want to converse with me, but because you don't have an answer, and don't have any documentation to prove Pat's mere assertion to be correct.

Therefore, it seems safe to conclude that Pat's hypothesis is false.

Typical editing, misquoting, and reinterpretation to support Pickle's faulty logic and conclusions....
Which means nothing...

I too am merely waiting on your answer, Johann, so we can all move on...


    

from: Pat Williams on Yesterday at 07:39:36 AM

        

from: Johann on Yesterday at 07:22:34 AM
        Not only that, but Irmgard and I were staying with Dr. Arild Abrhamsen in Norway during all of that time Danny Shelton insisted he was in Florida together with Linda.

        How, then, is it possible to come to an agreement?

   See? This is one of those issues. What time was it when Danny insisted, according to you, that Linda was in Florida with the Doctor? Can you document that? For the earlier planned trip was canceled and didn't take place according to all, ON BOTH SIDES.(including DS, who wrote to you about that, and others, many times,certainly he never claimed Linda was there then, for he said he had found out about and foiled that trip) And according to Dr A,in his public letter, you and your wife were there during easter vacation week during that cancelled trip... There was reportedly more than one trip planned to Florida, and there was reportedly only one time that Linda was gone and unaccounted for and unresponsive and that was the time when her mother called and left a message for Linda on DS and LS's answering machine regarding her being in Florida. Were you and Irmgard with the Doctor then, Johann? When was that? Tell everyone, please as it is documented.

    Maybe, GJ will choose to take these issues up with me, maybe not, but we know you have always refused to, and only answered with insults previous to now.

You Johann, claimed to have the documentation for your claims and alibi in writings from Danny to you, justifying your accusations against Danny:


  

 Johann posted:« on: March 02, 2011, 04:24:33 PM »
    "my first wife, Irmgard, and I, spent all the time during the spring of 2004 with Dr. Arild Abrahamsen that a certain Danny Shelton claimed in his writings to me that Linda was together with the Doctor in Florida.

I would like to quote this also in summation:

   "For years you have called Danny a liar because of this, and for years you have caused others to call him a liar because of your personal testimony about this, so again, you are being asked to "Get down to business and verify some of your claims."

Edited to add just one example of how you have been saying this and accusing Danny about this for years:

 

  Johann on Blacksda Jan 7 2007, 09:15 AM

    I fought to convince everybody that Mr. Danny Shelton was a trustworthy person, just like you, Walt, Mr. Fallible, and certain others, are still doing. What forced me to chage my mind? It was when Danny insisted that Dr. Arild Abrhamsen was in Florida together with Linda at a time when my wife, Irmgard, and I were staying with him in Norway, and she was getting daily treatments from him for her cancer. I knew that it was impossible for him to be in Florida and Norway at the same time. So when Danny kept insisting I knew that the Brethren had a reason why they did not trust Mr. Danny Shelton.

end of quoted message

[Johann]

You may be waiting awhile, Joy. It appears that the place and conditions of a dialogue with you were removed from a post here and possibly even the poster if "toodles" from Snoopy means what I am presuming it does.

Thanks, but actually I picked up that term from Cindy Conard Ford - you might ask her what it means...

I also remember that Cindy used that term first.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Well, Johann, I fear you are correct...Sir Mizer is in fact Madame Mizer...live and learn but this format is classic!!! And ISP's simply do not lie.

And the response is the same...I AM ABOVE THE LAW...I DO NOT NEED TO PROVE ANYTHING...I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU, DESPITE THE EVIDENCE...
I HAVE ACCESS TO THE ANNOINTED ONE AND HE NEVER LIES...I WILL NOT ANALYZE ANY EVIDENCE OTHER THAN ANY WAY THAT IS FAVORABLE TO THE ANNOINTED ONE - DANNY LEE SHELTON...AND TOMMY HAS NEVER SEXUALLY ASSAULTED ANYONE AND THE ALLEGATIONS ARE ALL BASELESS RUMORS. But, the dice say he is going to jail - despite his innocense.

The sad thing about this entire epic battle is that EVERYONE BUT THE PERPETRATOR AND SEXUAL PREDATOR WILL BE PAYING FOR HIS SINS!!!
On the other hand, Madame Mizer is so unreasonable and outrageous she adds significantly to the thrill of the debate and adds a flavor that is just so distinct it is MATCHLESS.

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

[Johann]

Quote from: Pat Williams on March 06, 2011, 02:39:36 PM

There was reportedly more than one trip planned to Florida, and there was reportedly only one time that Linda was gone and unaccounted for and unresponsive and that was the time when her mother called and left a message for Linda on DS and LS's answering machine regarding her being in Florida. Were you and Irmgard with the Doctor then, Johann? When was that? Tell everyone, please as it is documented.

Yes, Irmgard and I were with Arild at the only time when a trip to Forida had been planned. It was only after they discovered that Irmgard and I had been with him then that this new theory of another trip was invented to cover up the previous false accusation. That "new" trip has never been sustantiated. Now it your opportunity to verify that it took place, if you insist on it being so.

Nick Miller also questioned me on that possbility during Camp Meeting time in 2004 when I told him that I had been with Arild during the time they insisted Arild and Linda had been to Florida. Nick never insisted there had been "another" trip at that meeting. It appeared to me he was just trying to "help" Danny by suggesting it could have been at another time.

It was at that same meeting I heard John Lomacang lying by inisisting Arild had said the opposite of what he actually said in a phone conversation. This in spite of Arild telling John the evening before he was not quoting him right - and I heard then what Arild told John.

Until that day I had trusted John. Then I knew he had also conspired to support Danny's lies.



 

[Bob Pickle]

Bob, you can keep asking questions, and issuing your ultimatums till dooms day but I for one am never going to answer your demands. Like Pat before me, I don't want to dialogue with you either precisely because of that type of thing. I believe straight forward communication with you impossible. The fact that you are either ignoring the basics of a courteous and respectful discussion, or can't comprehend that Johann was asked a question first and needs to answer, before others here can  expect their secondary question to be reasonably answered whether by Pat or another in turn, confirms that for me.  Have a nice evening.

Excuses, excuses. And distorted besides.

Pat's "question" to Johann, which I was referring to, specifically stated:

There was reportedly more than one trip planned to Florida, and there was reportedly only one time that Linda was gone and unaccounted for and unresponsive and that was the time when her mother called and left a message for Linda on DS and LS's answering machine regarding her being in Florida. Were you and Irmgard with the Doctor then, Johann? When was that? Tell everyone, please as it is documented.

Now if Pat was really telling the truth, if it really is so well documented, then Pat (and you) would be able to answer the question as to when the other alleged trip to Florida took place. But obviously you can't answer it, not because you don't want to converse with me, but because you don't have an answer, and don't have any documentation to prove Pat's mere assertion to be correct.

Therefore, it seems safe to conclude that Pat's hypothesis is false.

Typical editing, misquoting, and reinterpretation to support Pickle's faulty logic and conclusions....
Which means nothing...

I too am merely waiting on your answer, Johann, so we can all move on...

Johann has answered you. Now will either you or Pat finally answer the very simple question as to when this alleged second trip to Florida took place, the alleged second trip which is allegedly documented?

Is it at all possible that Pat's idea of documentation is like that of Lorri MacGregor, the bitter ex-JW anti-Adventist critic who told me that her video was "all fully documented"? http://www.pickle-publishing.com/papers/jeremiah-films/macgregor-ministries.htm. Of particular interest was Lorri's use of Stephen Pierce's description of his wife Almira's post-1852 depression to prove that Ellen White said in her own words that she was in a hopeless condition for months after Christ didn't come as expected on October 22, 1844.

[Johann]

It looks to me like a phishing expedition in an attempt to have me put dates on a trip that never took place. Some people can be so funny you don't know if you should laugh or cry - and if it is hopeless to pray for them?

[Artiste]

Phishing expedition--good point, Johann!

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

More like a deliberate attempt to create confusion and undermine credibility. KEEP IT SIMPLE AND DRIVE MADAME MIZER NUTS!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

[Johann]

A stunning group with sterling minds,
And starlit dreams from yonder tales,
They miximize in Nozir kinds
Their mindsplit quotes in fairy sales.