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Re: NEW LIES
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2011, 03:57:06 AM »

Ms Williams, you once again post from a position thousands of miles from the events and continue to support people you have made no serious effort to vet for the truth of events and actual documentation.

Clearly, Ms Williams, you are aware that it is the record that is the basis for millions of books throughout the millenia. Luke wrote an entire epistle and was not there. Many books about Stalin and Hitler are written by men who were not there. And how many histories of the Founders of America have been written by men who CLEARLY were not there. And what is that common thread that allows us to write histories without having been there?

Simple enough, Ms Williams, the written record and in 3ABN's case, hundreds of witnesses and thousands of documents that were there!!!

Now, you can continue to put your head in the sand and refuse to test the statements of the many, many players, but you have seen, and will continue to see, evidence presented in courts of law that is likewise documented. You can give it reasonable weight of evidence or you can continue to beleive the great LIE...the reality is your hero is not annointed and is the counterfet...get use to it...it is the reality!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy, AUReporter

I have always wondered why people who came waaaaaay after the fact are always questioning the account of an eyewitness.  I could never make sense of that one.

Interesting... That was my thoughts when I first read all on BSDA. Why are all these people on BSDA, like princessdi, and this Gailon Joy, and Bob Pickle person who came waaaaaay after the fact, and have nothing to go on but the perspective of anonymous posters like ***************************** questioning all the actual eyewitnesses at 3abn and the thompsonville SDA church, calling them all  liars and refusing to listen to them? For example I remember when Kay Kuzma, and Dr Thompson, Brenda Walsh, Danny Shelton and a host of others who were first person witnesses pointed out that Johann wasn't even there when the things they recounted occurred, yet you to this day believe his account and continue to question and insult them and believe them liars... as do others like guide4him...

Sad...




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Re: NEW LIES
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2011, 04:11:22 AM »

As I said, the consummate politician...Shelley Quinn has seen plenty of evidence and has had access to the record and clearly is accountable for the failure to call sin by it's right name. She had no problem playing the shill for DLS when the daughter stepped forward and even put her statement into a notarized document form.

But Shelley Quinn has conveniently remained silent on the many issues, including Tommy Ray Shelton taking a programming position to replace Linda Sue Shelton. And how about the Ten Commandments Twice Removed royalties...tell me she does not know about that very personal issue. Shelley has adopted a survivalist approach and has allowed a hypocrite and a counterfeit to continue to exert influence and authority at a ministry that claims to be the ministry to "counteract the counterfeit".

Ms Williams, you, of all the people, should clearly be aware that E.G. White warns us against messages of Peace and safety as we near the end of time. The ministers calling for repentance, reformation and a renewed relationship with God are the true messengers and not those who ignore, and by their silence, endorse open and notorious sin!!! Including YOU!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
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It is clear that Shelley Quinn, a consummate politician, had a vested interest in her affiliation with 3ABN and Danny Lee Shelton.

I have always wondered if Shelly ever received her share of the royalties for Ten Commandments Twice Removed, and if she was included in the cute little arrangement with Dwight Hall?

And when will Shelley Quinn speak out against Danny Lee Shelton? When will she call DLS to confess, repent and reform?

Gailon Arthur Joy, AUReporter

All who know Shelly Quinn know she doesn't gossip or speak evil of any one, yet does speak out about right and wrong in a kind and Christian way. You obviously don't know her and your accusations and insinuations are false and you have no proof and so are unjustified and that's all I have to say about that because you will have to answer to the Almighty about that and be accountable one day soon.
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Re: NEW LIES
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2011, 04:25:27 AM »

Ms Williams, you once again post from a position thousands of miles from the events and continue to support people you have made no serious effort to vet for the truth of events and actual documentation.

I am sure you would like to believe that, and indeed choose to, but that is false. I have done my homework too. We both found exactly what we sought, just like the word of God assures us. But I dare to say the difference in what we found is due to what we were seeking. I merely sought the truth, where ever that led, and you and Pickle sought to find only that to condemn and prove guilt and justify yourselves, and continue to do that, I believe we should come together and reason, and did that, but imo you are both unreasonable and so prevent that with either myself, 3abn, or anyone you question because you only do that to find support for your own judgments and evil surmisings and condemnations. Again, that's all I have to say about that because you will have to answer to the Almighty about your accusations and be accountable one day soon, and the truth will then be revealed to all.
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Re: NEW LIES
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2011, 04:52:23 AM »

And is that the same Almighty that you will have to answer to? And where is the evidence you would like to post to prove your position?

I am assuming you know that the Almighty knows the truth, the real truth and nothing but the truth. We have put all the documentation we are allowed to out there for the world to see...you should do the same Talk is cheap and the record is priceless...put your doumentation where your mouth is. Put the truth on the table  Show me the evidence!!!

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Re: NEW LIES
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2011, 05:17:28 AM »

And is that the same Almighty that you will have to answer to? And where is the evidence you would like to post to prove your position?

I am assuming you know that the Almighty knows the truth, the real truth and nothing but the truth. We have put all the documentation we are allowed to out there for the world to see...you should do the same Talk is cheap and the record is priceless...put your doumentation where your mouth is. Put the truth on the table  Show me the evidence!!!

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As I said, it is not that either of us didn't do our homework, our differences I believe are due to our perspective and what we sought, and that is how we ended up at odds.

I do believe that thr truth has nothing to fear upon examination. BUT--

I am sorry, but *************************************  Right now I am waiting to be edited or banned just due to my posts this morning...

I do trust that could occur ********************************************************************************.

What say you? And as it all started with Linda, does it make sense to you we should start with her first?
If not, what issue would you like to start with? And why? Do you think it fair that we could each bring up another issue, one specific thing at a time, and take turns doing so, maybe resolving them or maybe agreeing to disagree each time, (allowing others to decide for themselves) before moving on?

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I do understand this somewhat: "We have put all the documentation we are allowed to out there for the world to see." and I am sure you realize without documentation that things cannot be credited. I also can not reveal all, but I think if those things could be explained as far as why they can't be revealed, then we could work with the rest and not worry about those things. IMHO


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Re: NEW LIES
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2011, 06:07:13 AM »

For certain, the same cannot be said about Brenda Walsh, another name from your list. She said that Linda bought the tickets for Florida against her wishes, when Brenda herself reserved the tickets and instructed Dee Hildebrand to purchase them. Brenda said Linda's ticket was used, and Delta Airlines said it wasn't used.
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Re: NEW LIES
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2011, 06:22:34 AM »

For certain, the same cannot be said about Brenda Walsh, another name from your list. She said that Linda bought the tickets for Florida against her wishes, when Brenda herself reserved the tickets and instructed Dee Hildebrand to purchase them. Brenda said Linda's ticket was used, and Delta Airlines said it wasn't used.

Not only that, but Irmgard and I were staying with Dr. Arild Abrhamsen in Norway during all of that time Danny Shelton insisted he was in Florida together with Linda.

How, then, is it possible to come to an agreement?
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Re: NEW LIES
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2011, 06:30:57 AM »

For certain, the same cannot be said about Brenda Walsh, another name from your list. She said that Linda bought the tickets for Florida against her wishes, when Brenda herself reserved the tickets and instructed Dee Hildebrand to purchase them. Brenda said Linda's ticket was used, and Delta Airlines said it wasn't used.



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Re: NEW LIES
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2011, 06:39:36 AM »

For certain, the same cannot be said about Brenda Walsh, another name from your list. She said that Linda bought the tickets for Florida against her wishes, when Brenda herself reserved the tickets and instructed Dee Hildebrand to purchase them. Brenda said Linda's ticket was used, and Delta Airlines said it wasn't used.

Not only that, but Irmgard and I were staying with Dr. Arild Abrhamsen in Norway during all of that time Danny Shelton insisted he was in Florida together with Linda.

How, then, is it possible to come to an agreement?

See? This is one of those issues. What time was it when Danny insisted, according to you, that Linda was in Florida with the Doctor? Can you document that? For the earlier planned trip was canceled and didn't take place according to all, ON BOTH SIDES.(including DS, who wrote to you about that, and others, many times,certainly he never claimed Linda was there then, for he said he had found out about and foiled that trip) And according to Dr A,in his public letter, you and your wife were there during easter vacation week during that cancelled trip... There was reportedly more than one trip planned to Florida, and there was reportedly only one time that Linda was gone and unaccounted for and unresponsive and that was the time when her mother called and left a message for Linda on DS and LS's answering machine regarding her being in Florida. Were you and Irmgard with the Doctor then, Johann? When was that? Tell everyone, please as it is documented.

Maybe, GJ will choose to take these issues up with me, maybe not, but we know you have always refused to, and only answered with insults previous to now.
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Re: NEW LIES
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2011, 08:03:55 AM »

And is that the same Almighty that you will have to answer to? And where is the evidence you would like to post to prove your position?

I am assuming you know that the Almighty knows the truth, the real truth and nothing but the truth. We have put all the documentation we are allowed to out there for the world to see...you should do the same Talk is cheap and the record is priceless...put your doumentation where your mouth is. Put the truth on the table  Show me the evidence!!!

Gailon Arthur joy
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As I said, it is not that either of us didn't do our homework, our differences I believe are due to our perspective and what we sought, and that is how we ended up at odds.

I do believe that thr truth has nothing to fear upon examination. BUT--

I am sorry, but *************************************  Right now I am waiting to be edited or banned just due to my posts this morning...

I do trust that could occur ********************************************************************************.

What say you? And as it all started with Linda, does it make sense to you we should start with her first?
If not, what issue would you like to start with? And why? Do you think it fair that we could each bring up another issue, one specific thing at a time, and take turns doing so, maybe resolving them or maybe agreeing to disagree each time, (allowing others to decide for themselves) before moving on?

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I do understand this somewhat: "We have put all the documentation we are allowed to out there for the world to see." and I am sure you realize without documentation that things cannot be credited. I also can not reveal all, but I think if those things could be explained as far as why they can't be revealed, then we could work with the rest and not worry about those things. IMHO


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Ya think, Cindy?  You know you are banned here under a variety of other user names, so you find another way to come sneaking back blowing hot air, insulting people and breaking AdventTalk forum rules.  And now you are "waiting to be edited or banned just due to my posts this morning..."  You are indeed a master of the obvious!!  And how dare you have the audacity to come to AdventTalk, insult AdventTalk administration and selectively invite those you wish to dialogue with to the other forum!  Were you referring to the smut site?  Is that where you want to have an open and honest dialogue?  ARE YOU KIDDING ME?   :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

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Re: NEW LIES
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2011, 08:07:29 AM »

There was reportedly more than one trip planned to Florida, and there was reportedly only one time that Linda was gone and unaccounted for and unresponsive and that was the time when her mother called and left a message for Linda on DS and LS's answering machine regarding her being in Florida.

Please date this alleged second planned trip to Florida. When was it? When did Linda's mother leave that alleged message?

Your failure to respond with a concrete date will be taken as firm evidence that you have none.

I certainly have never been able to find any other date for an alleged trip to Florida.
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« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2011, 10:59:54 AM »

There was reportedly more than one trip planned to Florida, and there was reportedly only one time that Linda was gone and unaccounted for and unresponsive and that was the time when her mother called and left a message for Linda on DS and LS's answering machine regarding her being in Florida. Were you and Irmgard with the Doctor then, Johann? When was that? Tell everyone, please as it is documented.

Very easy, Pat. Until now there has never been a document for any trip by both Arild and Linda to anywhere before the divorce. You give the time Linda is suposed to be gone, and we will check it. Is that fair enough?

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Re: NEW LIES
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2011, 01:43:44 PM »


So we have the context, shall we say that a lady from the Northwest believes she has a basis for questioning our record of events regarding Linda’s purported trip to meet Dr Arild Abrahamsen  in Florida during the period of January 1 and the date of her termination by Dr. Thompson in the spring of 2004.

She asserts that it is possible we have the “wrong trip” but also fails to provide any evidence or a even a statement to support this presumption.
Obviously, it is important to revisit the first five months of 2004 and let her know how we came to the conclusion that we have published in some detail, including documentation.

The visit that began Brenda’s roving tale was in December of 2003 to visit her son who was being detoxed at a clinic in Norway run by Dr. Arild Abrahamsen.  It was at this visit that the invitation went to both Brenda and Linda to have they and their husbands join Arild at his Florida Condo the week of the Orthodox Easter. We have documented that it was Brenda who was obviously quite excited about the vacation option and is the party that actually ordered the tickets. We have also documented that Linda’s ticket was not used. Both facts clearly refute the tall tales of Brenda Walsh and demonstrate her clear capacity to stretch the truth and Brenda has yet to respond to any of the  evidence weighed against her and published despite numerous invitations to do so.

Let us note that we began our search for truth on this issue by carefully isolating the time periods. We then documented Linda’s schedule through-out the entire period from Jan 1, 2004 to Memorial Day when she was officially terminated by the board without a hearing on the merits or the issues and based upon what Dan largely “claimed” he had as evidence.

In fact every week and week-end was accounted for during this period and we know that Dr. Arild Abrahamsen had to cancel his trip to Florida because he was tied up at the clinic. There is no documented evidence that Linda met Dr Abrahamsen between December 2003 and Memorial Day week-end in 2004 when he traveled with retired Pr. Johann Thorvaldsen to assist Linda in her defense of the allegations leveled by Danny Lee Shelton with the assistance of the prevaricating Brenda Walsh who clearly had decided her bread would be better buttered by Danny Lee Shelton that by standing beside her purported friend, Linda Sue Shelton.

We also documented that Linda Sue Shelton and the Dr and Pr were not allowed to testify and it became a one sided presentation without representation.  And the board began a well orchestrated effort to denigrate, vilify and exile Linda Sue Shelton carrying the effort to some very significant extremes, including but not limited to, the virtual eradication of her name from credits, the firing of any employee that opted to assist or maintain communications with her, prevention of her participation in church services in Illinois and even the interference with her invitations to speak at churches throughout North America.

Simply put, we put together a carefully constructed calendar and then plugged in the various events to include Linda’s travel calendar and found no gap to support a week or weekend tryst for Linda in Florida. Nor did we find any evidence to support the premise that the Dr was in Florida at any time during this period. Keep in mind a large block of time was taken by 3ABN promotional week-ends, including as I recall, the Australian Trip.
Given the weight of the evidence I welcome your production of something other than “thus sayeth Danny Lee Shelton” as he has repeatedly been shown to be “factually challenged”, better defined as a bold faced liar on several occasions. And I do not want to hear any premise that some information is not allowed to be produced, as time after time we have proven that upon production of the purported evidence, it clearly demonstrated Linda told the truth and Danny Lee Shelton had not.

Your turn to put forth your hypothesis and let’s put it to the test.

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Re: NEW LIES
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2011, 04:43:18 PM »

Just do this, Pat, and this would settle the matter.


So we have the context, shall we say that a lady from the Northwest believes she has a basis for questioning our record of events regarding Linda’s purported trip to meet Dr Arild Abrahamsen  in Florida during the period of January 1 and the date of her termination by Dr. Thompson in the spring of 2004.

She asserts that it is possible we have the “wrong trip” but also fails to provide any evidence or a even a statement to support this presumption.
Obviously, it is important to revisit the first five months of 2004 and let her know how we came to the conclusion that we have published in some detail, including documentation.

The visit that began Brenda’s roving tale was in December of 2003 to visit her son who was being detoxed at a clinic in Norway run by Dr. Arild Abrahamsen.  It was at this visit that the invitation went to both Brenda and Linda to have they and their husbands join Arild at his Florida Condo the week of the Orthodox Easter. We have documented that it was Brenda who was obviously quite excited about the vacation option and is the party that actually ordered the tickets. We have also documented that Linda’s ticket was not used. Both facts clearly refute the tall tales of Brenda Walsh and demonstrate her clear capacity to stretch the truth and Brenda has yet to respond to any of the  evidence weighed against her and published despite numerous invitations to do so.

Let us note that we began our search for truth on this issue by carefully isolating the time periods. We then documented Linda’s schedule through-out the entire period from Jan 1, 2004 to Memorial Day when she was officially terminated by the board without a hearing on the merits or the issues and based upon what Dan largely “claimed” he had as evidence.

In fact every week and week-end was accounted for during this period and we know that Dr. Arild Abrahamsen had to cancel his trip to Florida because he was tied up at the clinic. There is no documented evidence that Linda met Dr Abrahamsen between December 2003 and Memorial Day week-end in 2004 when he traveled with retired Pr. Johann Thorvaldsen to assist Linda in her defense of the allegations leveled by Danny Lee Shelton with the assistance of the prevaricating Brenda Walsh who clearly had decided her bread would be better buttered by Danny Lee Shelton that by standing beside her purported friend, Linda Sue Shelton.

We also documented that Linda Sue Shelton and the Dr and Pr were not allowed to testify and it became a one sided presentation without representation.  And the board began a well orchestrated effort to denigrate, vilify and exile Linda Sue Shelton carrying the effort to some very significant extremes, including but not limited to, the virtual eradication of her name from credits, the firing of any employee that opted to assist or maintain communications with her, prevention of her participation in church services in Illinois and even the interference with her invitations to speak at churches throughout North America.

Simply put, we put together a carefully constructed calendar and then plugged in the various events to include Linda’s travel calendar and found no gap to support a week or weekend tryst for Linda in Florida. Nor did we find any evidence to support the premise that the Dr was in Florida at any time during this period. Keep in mind a large block of time was taken by 3ABN promotional week-ends, including as I recall, the Australian Trip.
Given the weight of the evidence I welcome your production of something other than “thus sayeth Danny Lee Shelton” as he has repeatedly been shown to be “factually challenged”, better defined as a bold faced liar on several occasions. And I do not want to hear any premise that some information is not allowed to be produced, as time after time we have proven that upon production of the purported evidence, it clearly demonstrated Linda told the truth and Danny Lee Shelton had not.

Your turn to put forth your hypothesis and let’s put it to the test.

Gailon Arthur Joy
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Re: NEW LIES
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2011, 05:09:38 PM »

What about the trips that Danny made to Florida without Linda? Brandy lived in Florida...
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