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[WillowRun]

Can't televangelists behave themselves and remain faithful to their wives??  My still churched friends wonder why I worship God on my own.     This is why doesn't seem to matter what denomination the top of the organization men folk are men behaving badly. 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-televangelist-couple-confessed-affair-christian-tv-considered/story?id=12293002

[princessdi]

OK?   I saw this on Good Morning America this morning.

You know that pastors, evangelists, and especially televengelist who reach millions of people daily, are on the front lines, so to speak.  I believe that the enemy has more intense and most evil plots for them.  Of course, this by no means takes away their responsiblity to 'walk circumspectly(sp)", but I know that the enemy's plan is to take all those millions down along with that evangelist, or as many as he can. 

This is why it is soooo important to point people to Christ, and not to man, not even the pastor.  Also, to take seriously the name "CHRISTian" when we take it on, as it will be the first "Christ" most people will see and maybe for a long while to come in some areas, as they grow in Christ themselves.

[mrst53]

It's said, "No man is an island".  These preachers want all this power and glory and forget that when they fall, they are bringing the Name of Jesus Christ down with them. Of course by this time, they have forgotten that they are preaching for the good of Jesus Christ anyway. What is so sad, is the ones that are hurt by this, the ones that might have been brought to Jesus Christ by their teaching, my husband is one.

[Murcielago]

When you see billboards, brochures and other advertisement of their "ministries" what is most prominently featured is their faces. Ultimately, I believe, saying that it is about God is the facade coving the fact that it is about them and nothing more.

[christian]

The problem, as I see it is this; these men were never the men of God from the beginning. We, lost souls, heap to ourselves men and women confessing to be leaders when in fact they a wolves in sheep's clothing. Then in the end when they finally show there fangs we say "see what happen to the man of God." Meek and lowly of heart they have never been from the beginning riding around in luxury cars and flying on jets with the approval of the masses that want to do the same thing just don't have the money. We, the fools don't realize that 99% lie is still a lie. The prosperity message and the like preach and lived by the majority of these men and women have there origin in the pits of hell, it is Satan that said he will be like God and own everything himself. God in his wisdom reveals the true character of the false prophits and we uphold them to the end like the rebellious children of Israel upheld the cousin (or uncle) of Moses, who God had not chosen. They to a very large extent are creating people in there own image, with the desire to gain worldly wealth instead of the precious heavenly wealth that last forever. Open your eyes and see what is directly in front of you these people are the exact opposites of God (Jesus) the example that was here on earth. Jesus would say "foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nest but the son of man does not have a place to lay his head."

OK?   I saw this on Good Morning America this morning.

You know that pastors, evangelists, and especially televengelist who reach millions of people daily, are on the front lines, so to speak.  I believe that the enemy has more intense and most evil plots for them.  Of course, this by no means takes away their responsiblity to 'walk circumspectly(sp)", but I know that the enemy's plan is to take all those millions down along with that evangelist, or as many as he can. 

This is why it is soooo important to point people to Christ, and not to man, not even the pastor.  Also, to take seriously the name "CHRISTian" when we take it on, as it will be the first "Christ" most people will see and maybe for a long while to come in some areas, as they grow in Christ themselves.

[Johann]

In spite of humble beginnings televagelists start feeling the surge of power and popularity as they are able to reward people with TV exposure. TV is a tremendous vehicle to gain power. Most politicins gain their votes by appearing on TV talk shows. In a recent election in our country we had over 500 candidates for 25 seats. Most of those elected were people known through TV talk shows.

It takes a lot of grace to remain humble when you have the powere to rule over others. Power corrupts and often gives the idea that since you have all of that power you do not have to follow the same rules of conduct as other are obliged to follow. Unfortuneately this is seen among so-called Christians as well.

Can't televangelists behave themselves and remain faithful to their wives??  My still churched friends wonder why I worship God on my own.     This is why doesn't seem to matter what denomination the top of the organization men folk are men behaving badly.  

http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-televangelist-couple-confessed-affair-christian-tv-considered/story?id=12293002

[Murcielago]

Firmly held conviction is the greatest enemy of truth. And people people become convicted in their hearts through emotional appeal made by oily voices spouting clever words that people want to hear.

The problem, as I see it is this; these men were never the men of God from the beginning. We, lost souls, heap to ourselves men and women confessing to be leaders when in fact they a wolves in sheep's clothing. Then in the end when they finally show there fangs we say "see what happen to the man of God." Meek and lowly of heart they have never been from the beginning riding around in luxury cars and flying on jets with the approval of the masses that want to do the same thing just don't have the money. We, the fools don't realize that 99% lie is still a lie. The prosperity message and the like preach and lived by the majority of these men and women have there origin in the pits of hell, it is Satan that said he will be like God and own everything himself. God in his wisdom reveals the true character of the false prophits and we uphold them to the end like the rebellious children of Israel upheld the cousin (or uncle) of Moses, who God had not chosen. They to a very large extent are creating people in there own image, with the desire to gain worldly wealth instead of the precious heavenly wealth that last forever. Open your eyes and see what is directly in front of you these people are the exact opposites of God (Jesus) the example that was here on earth. Jesus would say "foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nest but the son of man does not have a place to lay his head."

OK?   I saw this on Good Morning America this morning.

You know that pastors, evangelists, and especially televengelist who reach millions of people daily, are on the front lines, so to speak.  I believe that the enemy has more intense and most evil plots for them.  Of course, this by no means takes away their responsiblity to 'walk circumspectly(sp)", but I know that the enemy's plan is to take all those millions down along with that evangelist, or as many as he can. 

This is why it is soooo important to point people to Christ, and not to man, not even the pastor.  Also, to take seriously the name "CHRISTian" when we take it on, as it will be the first "Christ" most people will see and maybe for a long while to come in some areas, as they grow in Christ themselves.

[princessdi]

Sorry Guys, Ihave to go "there" on this one........One question, christian.  Do you believe that David was every a Man of God?  I mean he not only had an affair, but a child with this married woman and killed her husband.   I haven't read where any of these men went as far as murder yet?  Can we really make this kindof judgement?

That said, I had to laugh when he and his wife(who made th announcement on their network) said with all the righteous indignation they could muster, that they could not believe the blackmailers would ask for that much of the Lord's money.   LOL!!!

The problem, as I see it is this; these men were never the men of God from the beginning. We, lost souls, heap to ourselves men and women confessing to be leaders when in fact they a wolves in sheep's clothing. Then in the end when they finally show there fangs we say "see what happen to the man of God." Meek and lowly of heart they have never been from the beginning riding around in luxury cars and flying on jets with the approval of the masses that want to do the same thing just don't have the money. We, the fools don't realize that 99% lie is still a lie. The prosperity message and the like preach and lived by the majority of these men and women have there origin in the pits of hell, it is Satan that said he will be like God and own everything himself. God in his wisdom reveals the true character of the false prophits and we uphold them to the end like the rebellious children of Israel upheld the cousin (or uncle) of Moses, who God had not chosen. They to a very large extent are creating people in there own image, with the desire to gain worldly wealth instead of the precious heavenly wealth that last forever. Open your eyes and see what is directly in front of you these people are the exact opposites of God (Jesus) the example that was here on earth. Jesus would say "foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nest but the son of man does not have a place to lay his head."

OK?   I saw this on Good Morning America this morning.

You know that pastors, evangelists, and especially televengelist who reach millions of people daily, are on the front lines, so to speak.  I believe that the enemy has more intense and most evil plots for them.  Of course, this by no means takes away their responsiblity to 'walk circumspectly(sp)", but I know that the enemy's plan is to take all those millions down along with that evangelist, or as many as he can. 

This is why it is soooo important to point people to Christ, and not to man, not even the pastor.  Also, to take seriously the name "CHRISTian" when we take it on, as it will be the first "Christ" most people will see and maybe for a long while to come in some areas, as they grow in Christ themselves.

[horsethief]

Danny Shelton is in this for the power, prestige, money, and let's not forget the SEX!

He preys on innocent, naive people with the line that he's "mending broken people" and spreading the "unduluted three angel's message".

What a facade. What a farce.

[Gregory]

Danny Shelton is neither no more nor no less than everyone of us (you and I) could be but for the grace of God.

All of us (you and I) could descend to the actions that we charge Danny Shelton with performing and go beyond those.  We deceive ourselves if we think that absent the grace of God in our lives we would never do such. Without the grace of God in our lives, there is no limit to what we could do.

If we think that either association with the SDA Church, or actively proclaiming it's message, will protect us from such folly, we either forget or are not aware that the history of our denomination demonstrates the falsity of such a premise.

Does this mean that we excuse the sin of others?  No!  Sin has it's consequences--both logical and natural.  Let us remember that the response that we make to what we see in others is a statement as to the response that believe should be made to us should we also fall into similar sin.
 

[HaroldT]

Sorry Guys, Ihave to go "there" on this one........One question, christian.  Do you believe that David was every a Man of God?  I mean he not only had an affair, but a child with this married woman and killed her husband.   I haven't read where any of these men went as far as murder yet?  Can we really make this kindof judgement?

Look it up.  David spen a week on his face before the Lord. 1 John 1:9.

Harold

[christian]

David as recorded in the bible was a man of God as the bible would state. As I have stated many time (most people) do not understand what the word of God is trying to say about David. David never lead the people astray except on two occasions numbering the Children of Israel (Satan stood up against him) and in the matter of Uriah and the Lord records with the exception of what he did, had done to Uriah, would say David was a man after his own heart . The television evangelist that we have have a false message from God neither have rightly divided the truth, or stood for the complete truth. I did a study on the pagan religions and very many of them were very close to the Christian religion in worship and practice. Often we think it such a strange thing that king Ahab would see the pagans and after God had blessed him to destroy them copy them and their style of worship. God was not trying to justify or excuse the personal faults of David but rather magnify the fact that David did not lead the children of Israel into rebellion against God. You cannot lump these people and their false message into the same category as David and him being lead by God. These men and woman are murdering more people than David ever did murder and in the judgment you will see that their crimes are far far worse. They in essence have put a stumbling block in front of the people and so distorted the message that many will never recover from it.

Sorry Guys, Ihave to go "there" on this one........One question, christian.  Do you believe that David was every a Man of God?  I mean he not only had an affair, but a child with this married woman and killed her husband.   I haven't read where any of these men went as far as murder yet?  Can we really make this kindof judgement?

That said, I had to laugh when he and his wife(who made th announcement on their network) said with all the righteous indignation they could muster, that they could not believe the blackmailers would ask for that much of the Lord's money.   LOL!!!

The problem, as I see it is this; these men were never the men of God from the beginning. We, lost souls, heap to ourselves men and women confessing to be leaders when in fact they a wolves in sheep's clothing. Then in the end when they finally show there fangs we say "see what happen to the man of God." Meek and lowly of heart they have never been from the beginning riding around in luxury cars and flying on jets with the approval of the masses that want to do the same thing just don't have the money. We, the fools don't realize that 99% lie is still a lie. The prosperity message and the like preach and lived by the majority of these men and women have there origin in the pits of hell, it is Satan that said he will be like God and own everything himself. God in his wisdom reveals the true character of the false prophits and we uphold them to the end like the rebellious children of Israel upheld the cousin (or uncle) of Moses, who God had not chosen. They to a very large extent are creating people in there own image, with the desire to gain worldly wealth instead of the precious heavenly wealth that last forever. Open your eyes and see what is directly in front of you these people are the exact opposites of God (Jesus) the example that was here on earth. Jesus would say "foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nest but the son of man does not have a place to lay his head."

OK?   I saw this on Good Morning America this morning.

You know that pastors, evangelists, and especially televengelist who reach millions of people daily, are on the front lines, so to speak.  I believe that the enemy has more intense and most evil plots for them.  Of course, this by no means takes away their responsiblity to 'walk circumspectly(sp)", but I know that the enemy's plan is to take all those millions down along with that evangelist, or as many as he can. 

This is why it is soooo important to point people to Christ, and not to man, not even the pastor.  Also, to take seriously the name "CHRISTian" when we take it on, as it will be the first "Christ" most people will see and maybe for a long while to come in some areas, as they grow in Christ themselves.

[Johann]

With us it all started after Irmgard had had her first operation for breast cancer. Then we had visited our children in Norway and enjoyed their new TV with lots of channels. On the way home we were talking.

- We must get some kind of a dish so we can get some interesting stations, said Irmgard.

- I understand there is a private SDA channel that is available on a dish.

When we got home I started by calling some SDA friends until I found some who had 3ABN. Checking it out on the net I discovered what kind of dish, and soon I found a local outfit which could supply the right dish. With instruction, also on the 3ABN website, I managed to set it up and tune in. . .

It was such a delightful inspiration that I took some pictures of the screen to accompany an article I wrote for our Union (Danish) paper. My co-workers read that article, and when one of them shortly after that met Owen Troy - a mutual friend - he told Owen that Johann was retired and therefore just the right man for 3ABN. I did not realize then what the Lord had in store for me.

Before long we had arranged rallies in Iceland, Sweden, Denmark and France. And I had invited church leaders to have special meetings with Danny Shelton. (Linda and Tommy were there too.)

Just the other day I had the first visit again after several years with one of those church leaders. Here are some of the points I recall from our conversation:

- I recall that meeting we had with Danny Shelton at that time, he told me. Somehow it failed to impress me. I know you were very enthusiastic and tried to get us interested. But the meeting with that man was a great disappointment. Self-exaltation and attempts to impress us with the accomplishments of this great founder - himself - is what we heard. Added to that were stories of his encounters with opposition from church leaders, and how he with his ingenuity and smartness managed to quench such opposition.

- You were all on fire, Johann, and I felt sorry for you. You had not noticed any of the danger signals at that time.

- I did later on.

- Yes I know you did, and perhaps the Lord had a purpose in letting you in to see the dangers from the inside?

- Yes, I believe He did.


I found many faithful dedicated people there at 3ABN. They think they are working for the Lord and not for man. . .    That was the most positive I saw at 3ABN, and why I believed in the work.  That all changed when Linda was so rudely chased away.

Johann

[princessdi]

Christian , when you are aupposed to be the leader of the People of God, you lead your by words  AND by example.  Your actions speak a whole lot louder than your words.  While David may not have conned money or verbally misguided the people, but he did have Bethshebaq brought to him, by his words and had her husband killed.......by the word of the King, David.  You think when David wwas running from Absolom, the country was not in disarray, the COI were not affected?  You don't believe that David's actions were not a stumbling block?  How much more destructive can anyone's words be? He definitely mislead them by example.  Take his son Solomon, the country went into serious moral decline because of Solomon's actions.   You can't make the distinction because you disagree with the televangelists theology.  He believe his doctrine to be as biblically sound as you believe yours to be.

For the record, both are equally wrong, because they have taken the charge tobe spiritual leaders of the people of God, and have failed them by their actions.  However, the story we get from David is that God is merciful and forgiving, and like the rest of us they can fall down, and get up and walk in the glory of God. We dont' need to sugar coat David's story because we know the overall lession is a positive one.

David as recorded in the bible was a man of God as the bible would state. As I have stated many time (most people) do not understand what the word of God is trying to say about David. David never lead the people astray except on two occasions numbering the Children of Israel (Satan stood up against him) and in the matter of Uriah and the Lord records with the exception of what he did, had done to Uriah, would say David was a man after his own heart . The television evangelist that we have have a false message from God neither have rightly divided the truth, or stood for the complete truth. I did a study on the pagan religions and very many of them were very close to the Christian religion in worship and practice. Often we think it such a strange thing that king Ahab would see the pagans and after God had blessed him to destroy them copy them and their style of worship. God was not trying to justify or excuse the personal faults of David but rather magnify the fact that David did not lead the children of Israel into rebellion against God. You cannot lump these people and their false message into the same category as David and him being lead by God. These men and woman are murdering more people than David ever did murder and in the judgment you will see that their crimes are far far worse. They in essence have put a stumbling block in front of the people and so distorted the message that many will never recover from it.

Sorry Guys, Ihave to go "there" on this one........One question, christian.  Do you believe that David was every a Man of God?  I mean he not only had an affair, but a child with this married woman and killed her husband.   I haven't read where any of these men went as far as murder yet?  Can we really make this kindof judgement?

That said, I had to laugh when he and his wife(who made th announcement on their network) said with all the righteous indignation they could muster, that they could not believe the blackmailers would ask for that much of the Lord's money.   LOL!!!

The problem, as I see it is this; these men were never the men of God from the beginning. We, lost souls, heap to ourselves men and women confessing to be leaders when in fact they a wolves in sheep's clothing. Then in the end when they finally show there fangs we say "see what happen to the man of God." Meek and lowly of heart they have never been from the beginning riding around in luxury cars and flying on jets with the approval of the masses that want to do the same thing just don't have the money. We, the fools don't realize that 99% lie is still a lie. The prosperity message and the like preach and lived by the majority of these men and women have there origin in the pits of hell, it is Satan that said he will be like God and own everything himself. God in his wisdom reveals the true character of the false prophits and we uphold them to the end like the rebellious children of Israel upheld the cousin (or uncle) of Moses, who God had not chosen. They to a very large extent are creating people in there own image, with the desire to gain worldly wealth instead of the precious heavenly wealth that last forever. Open your eyes and see what is directly in front of you these people are the exact opposites of God (Jesus) the example that was here on earth. Jesus would say "foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nest but the son of man does not have a place to lay his head."

OK?   I saw this on Good Morning America this morning.

You know that pastors, evangelists, and especially televengelist who reach millions of people daily, are on the front lines, so to speak.  I believe that the enemy has more intense and most evil plots for them.  Of course, this by no means takes away their responsiblity to 'walk circumspectly(sp)", but I know that the enemy's plan is to take all those millions down along with that evangelist, or as many as he can. 

This is why it is soooo important to point people to Christ, and not to man, not even the pastor.  Also, to take seriously the name "CHRISTian" when we take it on, as it will be the first "Christ" most people will see and maybe for a long while to come in some areas, as they grow in Christ themselves.

[mrst53]

There was a song out a few years ago and some of the words were " we get up". The gist of the song was that as Christians when we fail,with the help of Jesus Christ, we get back up and keep going. That's the only way we can make it. Without Jesus, we are lost. It doesn't mean we deliberately sin, but when we do, we ask for forgiveness and  keep on going.