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Re: SNAP to appear at the Community Church of God in Dunnloring, Va. tomorrow.
« Reply #165 on: December 11, 2010, 06:34:39 PM »

"Give me Liberty, or give me Death!" is a famous quotation attributed to Patrick Henry from a speech he made to the Virginia Convention. It was given on March 23, 1775, at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia, and is credited with having swung the balance in convincing the Virginia  House of Burgesses to pass a resolution delivering the Virginia troops to the Revolutionary War. Among the delegates to the convention were future US Presidents Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. Reportedly, those in attendance, upon hearing the speech, shouted, "give me liberty or give me death!" - Wikipedia

"God Bless America" is an American  patriotic song written by Irving Berlin in 1918 and revised by him in 1938, as sung by Kate Smith (becoming her signature song).

"God Bless America" takes the form of a prayer (intro lyrics "as we raise our voices, in a solemn prayer") for God's blessing and peace for the nation ("...stand beside her and guide her through the night...").

What makes America such a great nation?

PAST TENSE PLEASE!!!

America is now bankrupt in every sense of the word, as in financially, morally and empirically.

We have a 14.3 TRILLION dollar deficit...the Federal Reserve Board has just revealed that they have committed upwards of another 9.3 TRILLION to preventing a massive recession from becoming the worst depression in history, including the acquisition of over a TRILLION of those US Treasuries to support the continued deficit spending. And then there is the Maiden Lane Trusts for alt A and subrime loans all collateralized with loans attached to a collapsed real property market that nationally has now depreciated more than in the great depression. The treasury claims we have earned over 35 Billion on the TARP Bailout, but the banks still must deliver hundreds of billions to the Federal Reserve window because there is virtually no other secondary market willing to buy american mortgage certificates (taking dollars from one pocket and putting it in the other and then call it economic growth).  I could go on and on with one disclosure after another that would scare the living daylights out of you. We are literally held together with wishfull thinking and a world that does not dare call in our debt lest the entire world economy collapse. A modern version of Mutually Assured Destruction!!!

Morally, we no longer choose to hold anyone accountable for this banking mess because we would have to prosecute most  of Wall Street and as much as 20% of the rest of America that variously took advantage of mega banking with no Glass Steigal Restraints (abandoned by the Clinton Adminstration) and a mortgage banking industry in cahoots with realtors to buy and sell houses at any price to any fool willing to buy and presumably pay, without regard to the ability of any consumer to pay and virtually no accountability for their actions. And worse, no thought of the consequences and the whirlwind it would reap.

We have abrogated our God and the Judeo Christian principles in the name of unfettered immigration and politically correct integration of every possible religion and heresy one could think of, including devil worship.

We have abrogated our constitution and abandoned "one republic for which we stand" in exchange for no republic at all. We do this under the premise that a "democracy" is our real governance and with it comes the anarchy of which we were warned.

Simply put, GOD CANNOT BLESS AMERICA, as if he did He would have to apologize to Sodom and Gommorah!!!

Let me be clear...GOD CANNOT BLESS AMERICA as it would be a heresy!!!

I await the FALSE revival and reformation as it is inevitable, and will be the foundation for the true revival and reformation
and the Load cry to follow. Then on to a Theocracy!!!

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Re: SNAP to appear at the Community Church of God in Dunnloring, Va. tomorrow.
« Reply #166 on: December 11, 2010, 07:41:50 PM »

A SPECIAL MESSAGE TO NOSIR MYZING and CINDY to pass along from Gailon Arthur Joy, AUREPORTER:

A criminal trial has a very high standard regarding the Rules of Evidence and what would be allowed as testimony. The only statements allowed will be personal knowledge. The only documents allowed will be those properly introduced, including any medical or therapy records, by either the creator or the appropriate keeper of the records, and must be properly vetted. The jury must find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

A civil trial, however, does not require the same standard. It must be by a preponderance of the evidence. The preponderence of the evidence weighs very heavily against Tommy and Brad Walker. I will point out that the preponderence of the evidence will show that Brad Walker, the philanderer, and the intervenor regarding Tommy's decadent pedophilia, must tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth regarding his knowledge of Tommy's victims, including Tommy's own son. Yes, I DARE bring up the subject of Tommy's own son in Virginia and Brad's actual knowledge and role therein. "And where art thou accusers?"...I AM HERE. Ready, willing and ABLE!!!

I will make the very public statement that I view Brad Walker as as an extortionist, a liar, yet another hypocrit and most likely guilty of witness tampering, interference in an ongoing criminal investigation and worthy of jail time to consider his
vicious effort to aid, abet and support a well-known pedophile that has now publicly acknowleged his guilt, a document likely allowable in a civivl trial. Brad has proven to be a snake in the grass and should reap all the rewards that such a vicious hypocrit should reap. He has repaid his ill founded loyalty to Danny Lee Shelton all too well and all too viciously to be left without penalty. He is nothing but a hireling of little moral value, as has his chosen leader, Danny Lee Shelton, and the rest of the rabble that has participated in this unlawful interference in a criminal investigation and prosecution. May the rule of law fall in full force upon them!!!

It is noteworthy that Duffy's first demand letter was with regard to the allegations against Tommy Lee Shelton. Unfortunately, 3ABN and DLS elected to avoid a trial based on Tommy, which I STILL WELCOME!!!

I will very willingly accept service, answer and prosecute a civil action regarding the Tommy Lee Shelton cover-up, but, expect a very vigorous counterclaim out of the gate...there will no exit be allowed with a motion to dismiss by the plaintiff's until the case is resolved by a jury of our peers. And you can bet again, that I will not opt for a motion to dismiss in contravention to the litigation gamebook.

And no, I would not create a SAVE-TOMMY-SHELTON.com, but rather a CONDEMN-TOMMY-SHELTON.com.

BRAD, Tommy, DLS...MAKE MY DAY!!!

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Re: SNAP to appear at the Community Church of God in Dunnloring, Va. tomorrow.
« Reply #167 on: December 11, 2010, 11:30:27 PM »

Though I am surprised at the stand Brad Walker is taking re: his brother's allegations, I would be hard pressed to call him a "philanderer" - that seems to teeter on the brink of character assassination. He may be a lot of things, but I would question that particular pejorative. JMHO, of course.
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Re: SNAP to appear at the Community Church of God in Dunnloring, Va. tomorrow.
« Reply #168 on: December 12, 2010, 12:02:04 AM »

Though I am surprised at the stand Brad Walker is taking re: his brother's allegations, I would be hard pressed to call him a "philanderer" - that seems to teeter on the brink of character assassination. He may be a lot of things, but I would question that particular pejorative. JMHO, of course.

My brother Brad Walker is indeed a "philanderer". The other side can say what they want, but he has problems with "women". Ask Tammy Larson.
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Re: SNAP to appear at the Community Church of God in Dunnloring, Va. tomorrow.
« Reply #169 on: December 12, 2010, 05:47:10 AM »

Though I am surprised at the stand Brad Walker is taking re: his brother's allegations, I would be hard pressed to call him a "philanderer" - that seems to teeter on the brink of character assassination. He may be a lot of things, but I would question that particular pejorative. JMHO, of course.

If that is your HONEST opinion, be sure to pass the challenge along...I anxiously await service of process for a "defamation" claim...just remember, if it is true...it cannot defame. So let this serve as the test!!!

Oh, and what about the Tommy's son issue? Did you shrink from this issue? And why? Be sure to ask Brad about his role and be sure to ask why he would turn on his own family to save his own job with Danny Lee Shelton...just how low can a man go before he has reached a level of NO RETURN. I say Brad has gone there!!!

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Re: SNAP to appear at the Community Church of God in Dunnloring, Va. tomorrow.
« Reply #170 on: December 12, 2010, 10:23:11 AM »

Dear Mr. Joy,

In response to your post addressing VestedInterest:  her opinion of Brad Walker being anything but faithful to his wife is one that's shared by me.  During their years at the DLCCoG his behavior never once (that I'm aware of) pointed toward infidelity.

I too am surprised at his reactions.  His letter written to the Judge is laced with deception.  Left out would be his knowledge of what is truthful and presenting it in writing to the Judge in order to equip him to make a truely sound and fair judgement.  (I beleive the word Wisdom was used.)

Taking the liberty of speaking on behalf of Vested -- shrinking, no.  Not the case.  You're a reporter....dig deeper. 


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Re: SNAP to appear at the Community Church of God in Dunnloring, Va. tomorrow.
« Reply #171 on: December 12, 2010, 10:35:38 AM »

EXCUSE ME PEOPLE! Where have you been????

After returning from Virginia to Illinois, my brother, Brad did have an affair with my sister in law with a camera operator at 3ABN.

That explains why Brad and Val, felt it necessary to obtain marriage counseling. It is NO secret that he has issues with "women".
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Re: SNAP to appear at the Community Church of God in Dunnloring, Va. tomorrow.
« Reply #172 on: December 12, 2010, 10:57:24 AM »

Though I am surprised at the stand Brad Walker is taking re: his brother's allegations, I would be hard pressed to call him a "philanderer" - that seems to teeter on the brink of character assassination. He may be a lot of things, but I would question that particular pejorative. JMHO, of course.

If that is your HONEST opinion, be sure to pass the challenge along...I anxiously await service of process for a "defamation" claim...just remember, if it is true...it cannot defame. So let this serve as the test!!!

Oh, and what about the Tommy's son issue? Did you shrink from this issue? And why? Be sure to ask Brad about his role and be sure to ask why he would turn on his own family to save his own job with Danny Lee Shelton...just how low can a man go before he has reached a level of NO RETURN. I say Brad has gone there!!!

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I was only commenting on your use of the word "philanderer" since my acquaintance with Brad was limited to his time in VA during which I saw no indication of anything untoward. I was not addressing the issue of Rick Shelton at all, but I am familiar with it.  I have every reason to believe TS is guilty, and that there are members of his family who have been complicit. I, too am looking for justice to be done.  But at the end of the day I don't want to be guilty of an un-Christlike demeanor because of my interest in such an emotionally charged case. I know you don't either.  Just trying to encourage a little Ephesians 4:15 speaking the truth in love... we all need to be reminded.
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Re: SNAP to appear at the Community Church of God in Dunnloring, Va. tomorrow.
« Reply #173 on: December 12, 2010, 11:00:54 AM »

Alex --- not saying that adultery hasn't been committed.  Just that it wasn't evident in Virginia.  Brad's behaviour did nothing to stir up my suspicions.  That's all.  There is no benefit in trying to make more of it.  Ease up.

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Re: SNAP to appear at the Community Church of God in Dunnloring, Va. tomorrow.
« Reply #174 on: December 12, 2010, 01:07:44 PM »

Dear Mr. Joy,

In response to your post addressing VestedInterest:  her opinion of Brad Walker being anything but faithful to his wife is one that's shared by me.  During their years at the DLCCoG his behavior never once (that I'm aware of) pointed toward infidelity.

I too am surprised at his reactions.  His letter written to the Judge is laced with deception.  Left out would be his knowledge of what is truthful and presenting it in writing to the Judge in order to equip him to make a truely sound and fair judgement.  (I beleive the word Wisdom was used.)

Taking the liberty of speaking on behalf of Vested -- shrinking, no.  Not the case.  You're a reporter....dig deeper.  

Thank-you for your response.

I have never spoken with Alex regarding Brad and Val Walker. My information came from that "sieve" called the 3ABN campus. While their various threats have limited the willingness of some witnesses to communicate with this reporter, it is a revolving door and for the most part, like most institutions, an information sieve.

We have always only reported stories where we had at least two witnesses confirm the story.

As to his years at Dun Loring, most of our information relating to the various victims at Dun Loring came from that institutional "sieve" and some from confirmed various officers and directors, until the insurer stepped in to quell the
flow of information and until the church ordered a close to the flow of information. While I understand the insurance
counsels position relating to these claims, we know that many in influence knew or should have known what happened and did fail to report it. Some are even court officers and still held their silence. In my book, I am surprised the  institution is not to be held liable for the actions, official and unofficial, commission and ommission. Of course, the final chapter is not yet written.

For the record, my notes indicate more than three victims, including some who yet struggle with an alternative lifestyle unacceptable to even the Dun Loring congregation.

However, having spoken at length with your Pastor, I must say that I clearly understand his dilemma and the conflicts raised and dealt with over the years. I also understand how Tommy was able to "ease" his way into the role of Pastor those many years ago. I do find Dwayne and Alex's extreme dislike for the pastor a bit mis-placed compared to the issues with Tommy Ray Shelton, but I leave that to their relationship with their God and His church families.

I believe I have made it quite clear my views of Brad and I do so without remorse or reconsideration. These loathesome creatures deserve the trap that is most certainly set for them as they prepare to testify in the Commonwealth vs Tommy Ray Shelton and may the Lord have mercy on them and their co-conspirators. Not that they deserve one once of mercy, and I pray they will get what they deserve. It is not severe enough!!! Water boarding at Guantanamo is the least of what they deserve!!!

With any good case management, Brad, Val and the parents will have to deliver up the real "pied piper" to save themselves from a court system that will find the truth...and to think they used the resources of 3ABN to carry out their devious plans. Just how blind do they think we are? Some conspirators just can't help themselves and will stoop to new lows every day to save even the likes of Tommy Ray Shelton from the justice he so clearly deserves. And just how many at 3ABN are implicated?

I, for one, would love to have at such a cross examination of their testimony, particularly of a broken grandmother confessing that she had been told if she did not do this insidious tape she would "never see the grandchildren again" and then realizing that her testimony just might result in Brad not seeing them for awhile, unless he turns on the real "pied piper" of the racketeering, influence peddling and corrupt organization known as 3ABN. Just how many 3ABN employees are involved in this conspiracy to subvert justice? And what was promised in exchange for their participation? And who is the Pied Piper?

Yes, Danny Lee Shelton is even at the center of this incredible subversion of truth...the one committed to breaking mended fences!!! The anointed of the Lord is at the epicenter of this process to save his miscreant brother in crime.

And did the president, (yes, we are talking about James Gilley) know about the subversion being prepared for a court system that constitutes a fraud upon the court? Was Simpson part of this process while pretending to mediate a deal to get the victims paid? All questions that will have far reaching consequences to the coming defense!!!

What a story we will have when this is all revealed!!!

Believe me, we are on it!!!  You are free to republish this with impunity as counterstrike is not far away!!! We will continue to report the facts  as they unfold.

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Re: SNAP to appear at the Community Church of God in Dunnloring, Va. tomorrow.
« Reply #175 on: December 12, 2010, 01:16:57 PM »

vestedinterest, please tell Anne Webb hello for me.
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« Reply #176 on: December 12, 2010, 10:12:26 PM »

Second:

“Alex stated, “When my brother and sister-in-law entrusted me to his care while they were attending meetings to adopt a child of their own, the defendant would pretend to take me for a bicycle ride in the woods near the church where he would force me off the trail and molest me.”

I, (Valerie Walker) will testify to the fact that I have never asked my dad (Tommy) to take care of Alex nor have I ever left Alex alone with my dad. When Alex came to Virginia to stay with us for several weeks, I would ask my mom if she would watch Alex from time to time, never my dad.

I, (Bradley Walker) will also testify to the fact that I have never asked Tommy to take care of Alex nor have I ever left Alex alone with Tommy at anytime.

Alex stated, “When I contacted the Fairfax county police and reported what had occurred to me, I had not yet been able to talk of this with anyone.”

----In this part of the letter they make it clear that I was indeed left alone with Carol and Tommy Shelton. Does anyone see a denial in that? EVEN if they did ask Carol how can they be sure that Tommy did not have access to me.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Tommy, Carol, Brad and Valerie all live in the same house, which was the church parsonage?  A sexual predator would easily gain access to a child in this situation.  You do not have to leave a child with someone for them to have a chance to end up together.  Why do they think they are so sure that they never left Alex alone with Tommy?  Is this something they knew they should not do?  They must have known that Tommy had a problem back then and should not be alone with children.

In looking at the map at the following link:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Dunn+Loring,+VA&sll=38.878205,-77.221527&sspn=0.143792,0.225563&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Dunn+Loring,+Fairfax,+Virginia&ll=38.889596,-77.226564&spn=0.002246,0.005558&t=h&z=18
There is a house, church building and building behind the church.  It would be impossible to say that a child predator, which had access to everywhere, could not be alone with a child on this property.  The fact that a park is directly adjacent to the church property would make it even easier.  It is scary to think of how many kids would have been in that park from 1995 to 2000.

The prosecutor would have a great time cross examining Brad and Valerie:

Q. Were you aware of any problems Tommy had about being around young boys?
A. No
Q. Then why are you so sure you never left Alex with him?
A. uhhh... We kept track of Alex's every move and uhhh...
Q. Tommy was a family member living in the same house with you, what would be wrong with Tommy being with Alex?
A. Oh, there would not be a problem with Alex being alone with Tommy.  We just, uhhh, uhh...

What do others think about this?
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« Reply #177 on: December 12, 2010, 10:34:23 PM »

I believe it would be impossible to categorically rule out Alex's ever being alone with Tommy during time spent in VA. It would not be unreasonable to think the Walkers would have agreed to Tommy and Alex taking a bike ride while Brad and Valerie were otherwise occupied.
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« Reply #178 on: December 12, 2010, 10:37:00 PM »

I believe it would be impossible to categorically rule out Alex's ever being alone with Tommy during time spent in VA. It would not be unreasonable to think the Walkers would have agreed to Tommy and Alex taking a bike ride while Brad and Valerie were otherwise occupied.
Vestedinterest,
Can you please confirm whether they all lived in the same house?
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« Reply #179 on: December 12, 2010, 10:40:18 PM »

Though I am surprised at the stand Brad Walker is taking re: his brother's allegations, I would be hard pressed to call him a "philanderer" - that seems to teeter on the brink of character assassination. He may be a lot of things, but I would question that particular pejorative. JMHO, of course.

If that is your HONEST opinion, be sure to pass the challenge along...I anxiously await service of process for a "defamation" claim...just remember, if it is true...it cannot defame. So let this serve as the test!!!

Oh, and what about the Tommy's son issue? Did you shrink from this issue? And why? Be sure to ask Brad about his role and be sure to ask why he would turn on his own family to save his own job with Danny Lee Shelton...just how low can a man go before he has reached a level of NO RETURN. I say Brad has gone there!!!

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I was only commenting on your use of the word "philanderer" since my acquaintance with Brad was limited to his time in VA during which I saw no indication of anything untoward. I was not addressing the issue of Rick Shelton at all, but I am familiar with it.  I have every reason to believe TS is guilty, and that there are members of his family who have been complicit. I, too am looking for justice to be done.  But at the end of the day I don't want to be guilty of an un-Christlike demeanor because of my interest in such an emotionally charged case. I know you don't either.  Just trying to encourage a little Ephesians 4:15 speaking the truth in love... we all need to be reminded.
How is it that you and others know about an issue with Rick Shelton, Tommy's son?  Has Tommy admitted that there was or is an issue?  Or has Rick shared this?
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