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Gailon Arthur Joy

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Re: Tommy Shelton Trial Outcome...
« Reply #150 on: October 17, 2010, 10:04:48 PM »

Isn't this rather strong language coming from a professed Christian?  :dunno:

What an opportunity to address a long festering boil that pervades Adventism!!!

The premise that we never speak untoward of our fellow man lest we breach the softer temperment of “Christianity” would virtually paralyse our church into an era of “let the Lord deal with the issue”… Oh, yes you are correct, we have been there!!!  It didn’t work!!! Apostacy now reigns as a prevalent problem within a Faith that is suppose to be a “peculiar people” not full of scientific and societal conformists. And we are to be giving a serious warning defining sin by its name to a carnate world heading head-long into oblivion!!!!

Instead, we have adopted a new theology that if we simply live to be 101 because of lifestyle that our neighbors will flock into the pews!!!  And it does not work!!!!

The concept that we cannot deal with serious issues and express our disdain for the “sin” has far too long left us in a paralysis of never holding those accountable who have wronged our church  or Society. Never calling “sin” by its right name!!!

This new theology goes even further to declare one “undermines leadership” to give open criticism of the wrongs by those in any leadership role, those sitting in the pews or are otherwise “anointed of the Lord”. And Lord forbid we call sin by its right name!!!

And so, we allow open error and violations of Counsel, not to mention open and notorious sin, to go undefined, unchallenged, uncharged and un-reformed.

1)Thus the La Sierra University  mess, just to mention a contemporaneous issue!!! If Gerrity had been properly challenged at AUC from 1985 to 1990 he would not have established an institution that is a haven for “evolutionaries” and now must be met head-on. 
2) And if Danny had been properly challenged by the church and his own board as each warning sign arose over 25 years, it is unlikely that he would ever have been allowed to burn wastefully through millions of donations, become a haven for a pedophilic non-adventist pastor and brother, not to mention a haven for miscreant workers  and become outright rebellious of any oversight by church administration or the stockholders in the pews, not to mention the setting aside of Linda for the new young philly. And now must be merged or dismantled to achieve real reform!!!
3)  Nor would we have had to deal with so many instances of outright apostacy in the past fifty years as our hospitals, built with the hard work and contributions of hundreds of thousands of Adventists and their supporters, were leveraged into oblivion, our educational institutions became ineffective and our churches have failed in its calling!!! Yes, Laodicea is alive and well…and has anyone really noticed the punishment for Laodicea???YES “… SPEWED OUT…”!!!

And on we could go for pages;

In the subject case, Darryl is concerned with the my straight opinion of self imposed punishment by a sexual predator that nearly killed a victim of his implicitly vicious violation of another human being. It is logical to conclude that the open and notorious sin and crime against the peace and dignity of the state was a final straw in a heart that had long since grown cold from the unpardonable sin…so much so he  chose to take his own life rather than face the consequences of his actions. The pathetic wimp took an easy way out and closed the door on his own probation. OUTRAGEOUS you say??? It is a factually correct and accurate summary of the consequences of his open,  notorious, coddled and unchallenged sin against himself, his fellow man, his society and ultimately his God.

While I understand the premise that you do not like the way this is “portrayed” and would prefer a “kinder and gentler portrayal” with expressed “sympathy for the sinner”, it is exactly this premise that I choose to challenge.

It was my privilege to join an evangelist in a visitation of a dyeing man, at the request of his parents,  who was the victim of his own extreme sexual perversions. The evangelist made a solemn appeal for him to give his heart to his Saviour and told the man with great fervor of the Love Christ had for his soul and extended an invitation to take his stand and accept the gift of eternal life to this former Seventh-day Adventist. He told the man of his parents desire and begged him to seek forgiveness and repentance.

His response was coldly perverse as he proudly related his life of self seeking pleasure utilizing every human being, male or female, that was a willing partner in every perversion one could imagine and some you could not. He relished in the accomplishment and the “notches” in his bedstead, and proudly declared there was barely a woman in his home town he had not had his way with…and then stated he could not accept the invitation because if he had it to do over again, he would do it ALL again. He ended with a rendition of how he would like to go out, if he had ONE MORE CHANCE to ravage yet another victim.

The evangelist yet again pled with the disinterested perpetrator and he responded with a cold stare and a declaration that he would never be happy in a monogamous Heaven.  It was very clear he would not respond to the call for repentance and allowed a prayer then declared it a waste of time. He died about a month later and we held a funeral but it was clear he had not come to terms with his Saviour. His soul, although soon to pass to his death, was of absolutely no concern and he “looked back” as did Lot’s wife, at his life of sin with clear and un-satisfied desire. He had committed the unpardonable sin!!!

As we prepared for the Funeral, his parents recounted how they had blocked the church from dealing with their son’s life of sin some 20 years before and wept as they struggled with the guilt that their failure to deal with the wayward son may have cost him his eternal life. They then gave a heart-felt appeal at the funeral for all church members to call sin by its name and to call violators to repent and reform while pleading for forgiveness for the error of their misguided protections.

We would do well to be much more pointed in defining open and notorious sin and the results that we will reap if it continues. Instead we coddle the sinner and allow the insidious grasp to close the soul to repentance and reformation.

So, Darryl, I leave it to you to determine if it is the “rather strong language” but I must assume we will have to adopt a much stronger language in the days just ahead. Else we will find ourselve "spewed out"...

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Re: Tommy Shelton Trial Outcome...
« Reply #151 on: October 18, 2010, 03:43:13 AM »

Very well explained about the unpardonable sin and how it can be discerned in this incident. In fact it probably was crossed over the line the previous 20 years ago of this horrible sickness one chooses to invade upon others. It is the dead walking around dead and possessed. As I posted earlier, there is a time where Satan has his claim and devours through his instrument. Was there a chance 20 years ago once tasted of this horrible thing? Not sure, as I feel the first act of overpowering the innocent is the devastating symptom of too late. Can a pervert go without this anymore then "normal" can do without water? It so seems, but can't fathom what does this drive and can only grasp a mental disorder with Satanic possession or..they could not do it. All compassion, all sympathy, all love, all integrity, all humility, all reasoning is gone for others and their world is to devour their devilish acts, so how could one get that back at an instant at death? 

and yes --much has invaded the church with much corruption as "true Christians are easy targets". and the now maze seems so overwhelming.
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Re: Tommy Shelton Trial Outcome...
« Reply #152 on: October 18, 2010, 03:55:41 AM »

A child molestor is human garbage that needs to be disposed of. So are the people who try to subvert justice from happening to a child molestor.
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« Reply #153 on: October 18, 2010, 04:13:00 AM »

A child molestor is human garbage that needs to be disposed of. So are the people who try to subvert justice from happening to a child molestor.
Who are you referring to when you say "try to subvert justice"?
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Re: Tommy Shelton Trial Outcome...
« Reply #154 on: October 18, 2010, 05:48:22 AM »

Yet we must still remember:

"Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth: Lest the LORD see it, and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him." (Proverbs 24:17)

If we want Tommy to really get it, we can't rejoice, lest he not really get it.
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Re: Tommy Shelton Trial Outcome...
« Reply #155 on: October 18, 2010, 06:50:37 AM »

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Re: Tommy Shelton Trial Outcome...
« Reply #156 on: October 18, 2010, 07:04:00 AM »

Here's my view: Yes, Tommy is guilty. Yes, Tommy has to pay for what he did.

However,

Regardless of what he did, Tommy was my pastor for a large part of my life. I learned a lot under his teaching and preaching. No, that doesn't erase what he did, but the fact is I quite possibly wouldn't be a Christian today if it weren't for his ministry.

Second, all this talk of "I hope he gets his in prison" and cellmates named Bubba does nothing except keep what happened to me in the forefront of my mind. In my opinion, wanting such things to happen to him in prison is no different than an abuser using their own abuse during childhood as an excuse to abuse others.
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« Reply #157 on: October 18, 2010, 07:42:31 AM »

Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, and said, "Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me. But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a warrior are the children of one's youth. Blessed is the man who fills his quiver with them! He shall not be put to shame when he speaks with his enemies in the gate.

least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

 41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

 44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'



Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
 45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

 46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."


But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

—Galatians 5:16-21

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Re: Tommy Shelton Trial Outcome...
« Reply #158 on: October 18, 2010, 07:43:52 AM »

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

—Revelation 21:8


Tommy may not face, "Bubba", but he will have his place in Hell. Along, with Danny, and all the other sympathizers. Defending and covering up is no different than committing the act first hand. May God's judgement be lifted, and may Grace abound!
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« Reply #159 on: October 18, 2010, 07:58:33 AM »

Everything you just wrote is 100% correct.
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Re: Tommy Shelton Trial Outcome...
« Reply #160 on: October 18, 2010, 02:28:13 PM »

Everything you just wrote is 100% correct.
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« Reply #161 on: October 18, 2010, 02:36:39 PM »

Yet we must still remember:

"Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth: Lest the LORD see it, and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him." (Proverbs 24:17)

If we want Tommy to really get it, we can't rejoice, lest he not really get it.

Worth considering. . .
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« Reply #162 on: October 18, 2010, 03:36:22 PM »

Sentencing is this Friday. Will this be the end of the criminal battle, or will the last six month's not about to a hill of beans? Assuming that the judge rejects the plea deal which includes no jail time, one can safely assume that Tommy will withdraw the plea deal. If in fact that is the case....the prosecutor and everyone involved in the case will be right back at Phase 1.
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« Reply #163 on: October 18, 2010, 04:12:02 PM »

Yes, unrepentant sinners will end up in the lake of fire. But when you think about it, the fact that our prisons are so out of control that there can be Bubba incidents does not speak well of our prisons.

Throughout time God's people have been unjustly incarcerated. The fact that God's people could also be put in danger of rape and murder and assault while unjustly imprisoned is not a pretty thought.

Such atrocities going on in our prisons is just one more thing in this fair land that is inviting God's wrath to fall upon it.
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« Reply #164 on: October 18, 2010, 04:24:22 PM »

very, very scarry thought for the innocent imprisoned. Just think of an innocent person on death row. Just can't stomach it. and it has turned my views of our system. Why can't it be done as we are instructed? Then what happens is witnesses are brought in and paid. Money buys everthing evil in a worldly world.
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