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[horsethief]

Is the group characterized by authoritarianism? Are members who disobey to the slightest degree punished severely or excommunicated?

Part of the insurance policy?

[tinka]

That policy is used in business, partnerships too in a little different tones but still the same principles. Isn't it too bad when the innocent learn their lesson too late. somehow horsethief, you had a lesson likewise we did too. But under different leadership.  Guess they will all pay in the end but sure is rough now.

[horsethief]

Tinka: Ever been at an SDA self-supporting school? I got a strong taste of those types who can easily make our denomination seem like a cult in that environment. It took me several years to get to where I didn't feel so guilty and unsaved.

[tinka]

Yes, I am familiar with those. My younger brother was talked into going to one. In fact to this day he has never recovered. He was such a sweet boy when he went. My heart aches to this day and yet my belief of truth cannot change although the worst part of our lives also came from within and in fact today I am almost at the brink of ....thinking the end of it all is near. and many regrets and many hurts, and much thoughts of ...what happened to my church and have been cornered into a place where my still connections might be just here on post to only see and run accross the same situations. Then I watched "Hope" channel and got the same views. I know there is still a few on here that seem sincere of true foundations but not many.  God will judge their input to others distruction of faith. It is definitely a heart wrenching shaking time.

[horsethief]

Thanks Tinka... Glad you understand.

I don't mean to take us off topic. We all probably have had some kind of experience with these self-supporting/independent SDA groups. We can save that for another discussion. The point here is that there are people within the SDA denomination which unfortunately have become susceptable to groups and individuals that seek to control the thoughts and actions of as many people as they can.

[ex3abnemployee]

Oh, it's alive and well outside the SDA church as well. Trust me, I know.

[horsethief]

That's for sure ex... Yet when we as SDA members can recognize it within our denomination, then it's important that we blow the whistle...

[princessdi]

You are correct horsethief.  I apologize for my part in hijacking the thread. 

In answer to the OP, I believe it is.  I base that on the people in and outside of the organization.  Especially those who hide and are afraid for a very long time to go against Danny.  No one shoould be afraid of him ruining their lives, etc.  We seem to have more than our share of these types of groups. I don't have to name the more infamous groups, but there are so many out there.

Wait a moment... WHOA!!!

This topic is questioning whether or not 3ABN is a cult WITHIN adventism.

Not claiming that adventism is a cult.

The SDA church, in this members opinion, doesn't meet any of these described cult characteristics.

But has 3ABN approached any of these above listed characteristics?

[princessdi]

Might this be the same one "premiered" on BSDA?   LOL!!!!

Jorgan Van Braun wrote an interesting story called 'THE TELEVANGELIST'. One should read that to get a good understanding of how a cult leader can draw impressionable people in and then take control over their lives.

That can be found over on the '3ABN links' on this site.

[mrst53]

I wonder if this is the same kind of group of SDA that my friend Michael became involved with in WV.  They wanted him to give up everything for the church. That's why he called the church a cult.

[horsethief]

By highlighting the foremost of these cult groups, by exposing the stealth practices that has gotten this group where it is, then it could be the downfall of this cult group along with the others that have grown from it.

Seventh-Day Adventism is not about mind-control and intimidation. The people who want to market our message like that need to know that it's not for sale. They need to know that we are on to them. Their cult leader will no longer compare himself to Moses and Jesus without some stiff and fearless opposition.

[Johann]

By highlighting the foremost of these cult groups, by exposing the stealth practices that has gotten this group where it is, then it could be the downfall of this cult group along with the others that have grown from it.

Seventh-Day Adventism is not about mind-control and intimidation. The people who want to market our message like that need to know that it's not for sale. They need to know that we are on to them. Their cult leader will no longer compare himself to Moses and Jesus without some stiff and fearless opposition.

 

[christian]

By highlighting the foremost of these cult groups, by exposing the stealth practices that has gotten this group where it is, then it could be the downfall of this cult group along with the others that have grown from it.

Seventh-Day Adventism is not about mind-control and intimidation. The people who want to market our message like that need to know that it's not for sale. They need to know that we are on to them. Their cult leader will no longer compare himself to Moses and Jesus without some stiff and fearless opposition.

The problem with these threads and others is that we seem to be in denial, the Adventist Church is empowering Danny. If the church would stand up this entire situation could be handled in little or no time. We seem to despertly want to find some glimmer of hope some reflection of truth so that we can keep our sanity. Like the Jews of old we still think we are the truth instead of the depositors thereof. The church at large has left its resposibility and we all know that if those who were in the original church were alive today they would not even recognize it as the same church. Yes, the church does have the truth I will be the first to admit that. But like Jesus said they travel land and sea (i put air) and make ten fold the devil that they are. Someone explain to me how the church cannot see what it going on at 3abn and not step in and stop it?


 

[princessdi]

Christian, one HUGE cyber hug for you!!!      I used to wonder the same thing.  Then some information flowed through the threads at BSDA that suggested, at least to me, that GC and 3ABN had been in bed with some kind of shady, political type dealings(getting certain folks "elected" etc.), and bascially Danny knows where their bodies lie.  Apparently they also fear Danny's retribution.  That is the way it sounded to me.   Had GC cut their ties with 3ABN when Danny kicked Linda to the curb to marry Brandy( let's call it what it is), we definitely would not be having this discussion, this site would not exist, so on and so forth........

I have to say that it was also the first time that I realized that much corruption was in the administration of our church. I agree, if our founders were alive today, it would be much like when Jesus came to the Jews.  They would basically have to start another movement to get back to what we are supposed to be.  Those who followed Jesus could not go back to the established system, but they should have never had to leave in the first place.

[horsethief]

Wait a moment Princess Di and Christian...

I know how frustrating it is to look and see those 3ABN banners at the General Conference sessions and in other places and feeling that anxious rush that says "DON'T THESE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND?"

But let's also take into account that many of our leaders probably have a good handle on things and they realize that a this can of worms only opens from the inside. I've heard that one very influential church official whom I won't name commented of Jim Gilley. "You know that yellow streak that runs down Danny's back? Well, Jim Gilley shares that."

That statement clued me into something... It tells me that our church leadership is quite confident that the unravelling of 3ABN is imminent. That it's only a matter of time until their arrogance and manipulations cause them to implode.

Just be patient. I personally don't think they can recover from this child molestation scandal. Especially if it becomes a civil court action.