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[Bob Pickle]

Ok! As if I wasn't confused enough.......Who the heck is Trenton Chance?

He is one of Tommy Shelton's nephews, and is about the same age as Alex. He and Alex had a  conversation on facebook right after Tommy was arrested. He was basically asking Alex what had happened and asking him to think about all. All was said in a Christian and caring and concerned manner, but Pickle is now attacking him and accusing him of trying to intimidate and threaten Alex and of witness tampering. It's ridiculous and false, as many of Pickle's accusations are... Trent has nothing to do with all this and is just a nice young kid, but apparently Bob wants to throw him under the bus along with all the other innocents and uninvolved people he has done that to in his war with 3ABN and DS.

Nice young kids do not defame those concerned about a pedophile with bogus accusations. It is not Christian to defame those concerned about a pedophile with bogus accusations of crime. If Trenton truly is a Christian, he will promptly seek to make amends for his defamatory conduct.

How do you know it was on facebook? Did Alex say that somewhere?

[Nosir Myzing]

That has already been done more than several times in this topic.

I don't recall anyone pointing out what you are talking about. Your unwillingness to quote what you are complaining about is evidence that you are trying to misrepresent what was actually said.

If Robert Pickle doesn't remember or know what he said.

I remember quite well what I said. It was your attempt to mischaracterize what I said that led me to ask you to quote what you are claiming is a lie.

He needs to reread his own posts and the replies to them, his meaning was quite clear and his accusations are still identified in his posts and remain unproven and false.

What I said was 100% accurate.

Where can I can get a hold of the recordings you refer to? Have you personally listened to those recordings? Or are you referring to a transcription that you've read? If so, who made that transcription?

Seems I've asked something along these lines before and someone declined to answer. I suspect you will decline and that that will support the idea that you've never read or heard any recordings, contrary to what you've suggested.

Alex and Adam they have said over and over that all is documented... yet here is Robert Pickle "essentially" admitting he doesn't even know what he has been talking about and has no basis or evidence to support any of his false accusations.

You're the one who is making an explicit statement based on alleged recordings, which implies that you have heard (or seen?) those recordings. My question to you was based on my not knowing how you could have any access whatsoever to such recordings.

If Alex or an attorney documented a phone call, that isn't a recording, and that doesn't mean you have access to it. So 'fess up: Do you have access to recordings or not? Were you prevaricating when you spoke as if you have had access to recordings?

Why would Trenton want to get all mixed up in this mess?

He wouldn't and he isn't. You are the one who came on here accusing him falsely.

I think your side has already admitted that Trenton contacted Alex to try to persuade him to drop charges, so he is already involved, and saying so is not accusing him falsely.

Pickle is wrong. Nobody said that but Robert Pickle. He has a less than honest habit of putting his words in others mouths to find fault with them and argue and accuse. Which makes it virtually impossible to have conversations with the man.

The question is whether or not Trenton is posting here.

No, he's not. To the best of my knowledge he has never even read here and I am not going to help Pickle in his ongoing persecution and victimization of others and will not speak about him further to Pickle who owes him an apology, but will never admit to that. The only reason I am answering this post is for the sake of others, so they are not confused or misled by Robert Pickle.

Finis
 

[Bob Pickle]

Ok! As if I wasn't confused enough.......Who the heck is Trenton Chance?

He is one of Tommy Shelton's nephews, and is about the same age as Alex. He and Alex had a  conversation on facebook right after Tommy was arrested. He was basically asking Alex what had happened and asking him to think about all.

I think your side has already admitted that Trenton contacted Alex to try to persuade him to drop charges, so he is already involved, and saying so is not accusing him falsely.

So Jamie, you're admitting that Trent asked Alex "to think about it all," but you maintain that this carefully worded admission doesn't mean that Trent was trying to persuade Alex to drop charges? Are you really sure? Don't you think the average person would equate the two?

And why wouldn't Alex be willing to make amends for his defamatory statements regarding someone concerned about the conduct of admitted pedophile Tommy Shelton, if he really is a Christian?

[princessdi]

Ok, Bob, so you are saying that Trenton not only ask Alex about his pressing charges, but defamed him in what way.
 
And why isn't Alex bringing out this conversation?  Bob, he asked you to bring it up? 


Edited for "color"!   Hehehehe!!   

[Alex L. Walker]

That has already been done more than several times in this topic.

I don't recall anyone pointing out what you are talking about. Your unwillingness to quote what you are complaining about is evidence that you are trying to misrepresent what was actually said.

If Robert Pickle doesn't remember or know what he said.

I remember quite well what I said. It was your attempt to mischaracterize what I said that led me to ask you to quote what you are claiming is a lie.

He needs to reread his own posts and the replies to them, his meaning was quite clear and his accusations are still identified in his posts and remain unproven and false.

What I said was 100% accurate.

Where can I can get a hold of the recordings you refer to? Have you personally listened to those recordings? Or are you referring to a transcription that you've read? If so, who made that transcription?

Seems I've asked something along these lines before and someone declined to answer. I suspect you will decline and that that will support the idea that you've never read or heard any recordings, contrary to what you've suggested.

Alex and Adam they have said over and over that all is documented... yet here is Robert Pickle "essentially" admitting he doesn't even know what he has been talking about and has no basis or evidence to support any of his false accusations.

You're the one who is making an explicit statement based on alleged recordings, which implies that you have heard (or seen?) those recordings. My question to you was based on my not knowing how you could have any access whatsoever to such recordings.

If Alex or an attorney documented a phone call, that isn't a recording, and that doesn't mean you have access to it. So 'fess up: Do you have access to recordings or not? Were you prevaricating when you spoke as if you have had access to recordings?

Why would Trenton want to get all mixed up in this mess?

He wouldn't and he isn't. You are the one who came on here accusing him falsely.

I think your side has already admitted that Trenton contacted Alex to try to persuade him to drop charges, so he is already involved, and saying so is not accusing him falsely.

Pickle is wrong. Nobody said that but Robert Pickle. He has a less than honest habit of putting his words in others mouths to find fault with them and argue and accuse. Which makes it virtually impossible to have conversations with the man.

The question is whether or not Trenton is posting here.

No, he's not. To the best of my knowledge he has never even read here and I am not going to help Pickle in his ongoing persecution and victimization of others and will not speak about him further to Pickle who owes him an apology, but will never admit to that. The only reason I am answering this post is for the sake of others, so they are not confused or misled by Robert Pickle.

Finis
 

Answer my question.

What exactly does that mean? What two conversations are you referring too? You only have access to one. How do you know for sure the other one verifies that? You have no clue. You do not have the conversation between Brad and myself and I know that for a fact. So again quit lying. What other conversation besides Trents are you referring to?

[Alex L. Walker]

Ok, Bob, so you are saying that Trenton not only ask Alex about his pressing charges, but defamed him in what way.
 
And why isn't Alex bringing out this conversation?  Bob, he asked you to bring it up? 

I am not bringing it up because I have been advised not too. I have not asked anyone to do such a thing either.

[Alex L. Walker]

Ok, Bob, so you are saying that Trenton not only ask Alex about his pressing charges, but defamed him in what way.
 
And why isn't Alex bringing out this conversation?  Bob, he asked you to bring it up?  

I am not bringing it up because I have been advised not too. I have not asked anyone to do such a thing either.

Did Trenton Chance tell you about the nasty comment that he left on my facebook page that initiated the conversation between him and myself? That comment was later deleted but has since been restored. I am not even going to go into detail what that comment stated but it was far from good Christian manner.

I will also mention that was NOT the only facebook contact that I received on the current case either. The son of a local business owner in West Frankfort (I have been told is either a good friend of the Sheltons or is a relative) also contacted me on this subject. That conversation was also nasty and slanderous and has been documented.

[princessdi]

Gotcha Alex!  It is as I thought.  More than a few have learned not to divulge information anyway asscoiated with 3ABN it's employees, officers, families(no matter the promises of secrecy), unless you are ready for it to be posted to the world wide web.   

I am not bringing it up because I have been advised not too. I have not asked anyone to do such a thing either.

[Bob Pickle]

Ok, Bob, so you are saying that Trenton not only ask Alex about his pressing charges, but defamed him in what way.
 
And why isn't Alex bringing out this conversation?  Bob, he asked you to bring it up? 


Edited for "color"!   Hehehehe!!   

Di, the defamatory part I was thinking of when I write what I wrote wasn't about Alex.

[Adam]

I don't know that simply asking a person to drop charges or not testify would qualify as tampering. However if that person were threatened directly, or indirectly, with a smear campaign, or other forms of punishment, should they proceed, would that qualify? How about if the person(s) who approached or confronted with requests or demands were turned down and followed up by systematically contacting the friends, family, colleagues, church, employer, potential employer(s), etc, with allegations, facts, rumors, or implications meant to harm or destroy that person's relationships, employment, and standing in the community? Would that be considered tampering, or some other actionable offense?

If that is the case then they are all guilty as charged.

[Adam]

Wonder what Brad Walker has to say to all of this? You all fly off the handle at Alex when his name is mentioned wondering why Alex is allowing such attacks on his brother. However, you all keep your lying mouths shut when Brad allows such filth.

So tell us:

1. Does Brad deny his conversation with Alex even though it has been documented? Where he clearly apologized to Alex, and showed concern about his own son's well-being?

2. Does Brad deny his affair with Tammy Larson?

3. Does Brad deny flying out to Illinois when he lived in Virginia when allegations was surfing against his and Alex's own brother? Where he clearly stated his intent was to have him institutionalized because he needed help? Yet, he defends his pedophile father in law and claims he is innocent?

4. Is Brad Walker only defending his pedophile father in law because he is married to a Shelton and another Shelton writes his checks?

5. Has Tommy Shelton made advances towards Brad at any point?

Shall I continue? If so I will be back.

I do not believe any of these questions are unfair. You want answers start giving them as well.

[Adam]

I have to address something right here and now. I am getting sick of reading this same old line "about the character and testimony of the victims." None of you know the character of the victims. Have you ever met them?

I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim. He is an outstanding citizen in his community and is truely involved in his church. Don't believe me? Come to where he lives and ask people, if they know Alex Walker. You will hear nothing but good from them.

So quit attacking someones "character" that you know nothing about.

Why don't you attack Tommy's character?  This may sound hateful and frankly I don't care. You all are deluded. Keep defending your admitted child predator. Just remember what the Bible says. -------------------

You know what I pray one day, none of your children are abused. Why? Mostly, because of the hurt that would be caused to them. Secondly, because you fools probably wouldn't believe them.

You all are sick and need Jesus !!!

My prayer is that you find him before it is everlasting to late!

---------- represents what I edited in disgust.

" I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim."

What are you referring to amd talking about?

The truth is no one defending 3ABN was attacking Alex or his character, Adam, and no one defending 3abn even mentioned him by name or even accused him. NOT ONCE. Not one was doing so in any post you are replying to here. It was you who came here and brought him up and made his character and case an issue illiciting questions and answers from those you accused on his behalf. He claims you say as you choose, so do you, but it is obvious that you argue and present only what he tells you, as you aren't involved or a witness in his case, and haven't even met those you accuse and condemn and attack on his behalf.. Even here in this current discussion, no one mentioned Alex, but you came flying in to defend him and accuse and find fault with others. It's ridiculous as far as I am concerned. This is a forum against DS and 3ABN, yet here you and Alex are, and claim that attacking 3ABN and DS is not your purpose or agenda for being here.. It's NOT believable, sorry because  Alex approached Bob Pickle according to Bob, and according to Alex he never filed a complaint or report against Tommy Shelton with law enforcement, which he should have done if his purpose was legit. Instead of giving them a report he gave it to Bob Pickle... and claims he didn't even know there was a case against Tommy Shelton until a reporter approached him after Tommy's arrest claiming he was a complaintant.I can quote him about that if you or he want to dispute that,  so what are he and you doing here in a forum and posting against DS abd 3ABN, and attacking those defending them if your issue is Tommy Shelton and child abuse within the Church of God? IMO- IMHO, you and your arguments and protests and accusations about all this,  stink to high heaven!

You are a liar. That's all I have to say about that. I have never once posted anything about Danny Shelton or 3ABN. So quit lying. I am not here to attack 3ABN or Danny Shelton nor have I.

Wellll then,your mouthpiece, Adam, as Samuel Thomas has and he knows even less about Danny and 3abn than you do.


This is the only thing that I have posted in regards to Danny Shelton or anyone associated with 3ABN:

By the way Brenda Walsh DOES know who I am. It is also a lie for her to say she has never met me. That's all I'm going to say about that.


You posted that Brenda said this:

Brenda Walsh said "I have never met Alex, nor have I have talked with him, written him, or communicated with him in any way shape or form! What is interesting is how he even knows my name!!"

Brenda is lying here because she does know who I am and yes she has met me.

Now you are using pickle tactics. Let's examine this. Do you mean that you met Brenda back when you were 11 or 12 and helped your brother off and on one summer at 3abn? So that was about 12 years ago when you were just a kid and we all know Brenda meets thousands of kids every year, all over the world. So if this is when Brenda met you I hardly think you could call her a liar when 12 years later she doesn't remember Alex Walker as a kid. Now what would something that Brenda has no memory of have to do with her calling you now and intimidating you?  You are lying and you know it.
You posted that Brenda said this:

You also said that Danny said this:

Danny Shelton simply said " I have never talked to Alex" Ask Danny to define never. If he is saying it in the literal sense of the meaning than he too is a liar

Same deal here. It is possible that at the time you helped your brother, when you were a kid, you may have met Danny. Do you honestly think he would remember that? Give me a break!  And, again, what would that have to do with him intimidating you now? You don't seem to understand that leaving out key details to make a situation something that it isn't, is a lie.

As far as the last part of your post; I cannot discuss that. I have that same conversation you apparently have (between Trent and myself) as does my attorneys. I will not discuss that any farther.

Now I am done here. I do not have anything to prove to you anyway.

* The red is my responce to their statements.*

It's funny Sam when you get caught in your web of lies that you high tell it and run for a few weeks. Then you poke your head back in and spout off at the mouth again, and show that you really are not very intelligent.

[Adam]

Sam,... In my book you are nothing but subhuman garbage.

This is for Sam, 3D, and Pat:

We are many and you are few,

we listen to the crap you spew

Don’t think we aren’t up to speed,

on truth and lies as you deceive.

You spout out lines of twisted tales,

like politicians or car sales.

You change what we would like to hear,

while your treachery has no fear.

You are what’s wrong in every way,

no longer care ‘bout what you say.

You paint your picture so distorted,

you change the story not reported.

The words come out but do not say,

the truth behind what you portray.

You bend the facts for your own gain.

How is it that you feel no pain?

LIAR!!!

Wow, where is the evidence and proof to acompany the insults and accusations? As usual there is none. Every time I think it can't get worse it does.... and no one here appears to care or object.... it's hateful and pathetic., but you all seem to think the ends justify the means, They don't! It only gets uglier and uglier here, and that's why I have to leave here for good. wipe.. wipe... and walking away, sadly-- but in a determined and convicted mode....

There is plenty of evidence to back this up. However, someone hiding like you, Sam, and 3D probably couldn't understand anyway.

[Adam]

My advice is to ignore all these anonymous trolls who are just phishing. They deserve NO explanations about anything.

ok, clue one, Clem!  When people are rebutting the lies here and giving information they are not seeking any information from those of you who consistently refuse to give any. So basically? Give up the lies. They aren't working, and they make you look not just deceptive, but silly.


 edited to include post which was being answered:

I have to address something right here and now. I am getting sick of reading this same old line "about the character and testimony of the victims." None of you know the character of the victims. Have you ever met them?

I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim. He is an outstanding citizen in his community and is truely involved in his church. Don't believe me? Come to where he lives and ask people, if they know Alex Walker. You will hear nothing but good from them.

So quit attacking someones "character" that you know nothing about.

Why don't you attack Tommy's character?  This may sound hateful and frankly I don't care. You all are deluded. Keep defending your admitted child predator. Just remember what the Bible says. -------------------

You know what I pray one day, none of your children are abused. Why? Mostly, because of the hurt that would be caused to them. Secondly, because you fools probably wouldn't believe them.

You all are sick and need Jesus !!!

My prayer is that you find him before it is everlasting to late!

---------- represents what I edited in disgust.

" I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim."

What are you referring to amd talking about?

The truth is no one defending 3ABN was attacking Alex or his character, Adam, and no one defending 3abn even mentioned him by name or even accused him. NOT ONCE. Not one was doing so in any post you are replying to here. It was you who came here and brought him up and made his character and case an issue illiciting questions and answers from those you accused on his behalf. He claims you say as you choose, so do you, but it is obvious that you argue and present only what he tells you, as you aren't involved or a witness in his case, and haven't even met those you accuse and condemn and attack on his behalf.. Even here in this current discussion, no one mentioned Alex, but you came flying in to defend him and accuse and find fault with others. It's ridiculous as far as I am concerned. This is a forum against DS and 3ABN, yet here you and Alex are, and claim that attacking 3ABN and DS is not your purpose or agenda for being here.. It's NOT believable, sorry because  Alex approached Bob Pickle according to Bob, and according to Alex he never filed a complaint or report against Tommy Shelton with law enforcement, which he should have done if his purpose was legit. Instead of giving them a report he gave it to Bob Pickle... and claims he didn't even know there was a case against Tommy Shelton until a reporter approached him after Tommy's arrest claiming he was a complaintant.I can quote him about that if you or he want to dispute that,  so what are he and you doing here in a forum and posting against DS abd 3ABN, and attacking those defending them if your issue is Tommy Shelton and child abuse within the Church of God? IMO- IMHO, you and your arguments and protests and accusations about all this,  stink to high heaven!

You are a liar. That's all I have to say about that. I have never once posted anything about Danny Shelton or 3ABN. So quit lying. I am not here to attack 3ABN or Danny Shelton nor have I.

Wellll then,your mouthpiece, Adam, as Samuel Thomas has and he knows even less about Danny and 3abn than you do.

This is the only thing that I have posted in regards to Danny Shelton or anyone associated with 3ABN:

By the way Brenda Walsh DOES know who I am. It is also a lie for her to say she has never met me. That's all I'm going to say about that.


You posted that Brenda said this:

Brenda Walsh said "I have never met Alex, nor have I have talked with him, written him, or communicated with him in any way shape or form! What is interesting is how he even knows my name!!"

Brenda is lying here because she does know who I am and yes she has met me.

Now you are using pickle tactics. Let's examine this. Do you mean that you met Brenda back when you were 11 or 12 and helped your brother off and on one summer at 3abn? So that was about 12 years ago when you were just a kid and we all know Brenda meets thousands of kids every year, all over the world. So if this is when Brenda met you I hardly think you could call her a liar when 12 years later she doesn't remember Alex Walker as a kid. Now what would something that Brenda has no memory of have to do with her calling you now and intimidating you?  You are lying and you know it.

You posted that Brenda said this. You also said that Danny said this:

Danny Shelton simply said " I have never talked to Alex" Ask Danny to define never. If he is saying it in the literal sense of the meaning than he too is a liar

Same deal here. It is possible that at the time you helped your brother, when you were a kid, you may have met Danny. Do you honestly think he would remember that? Give me a break!  And, again, what would that have to do with him intimidating you now? You don't seem to understand that leaving out key details to make a situation something that it isn't, is a lie.

As far as the last part of your post; I cannot discuss that. I have that same conversation you apparently have (between Trent and myself) as does my attorneys. I will not discuss that any farther.

Now I am done here. I do not have anything to prove to you anyway.

* The red is my responce to their statements.*

Rebutting the lies, by posting some of your own? Oh my no wonder the world is in the sick shape it is in. If that is your definition of "rebutting" someone needs help!

[Adam]

Jamie posted earlier Alex's responce to this that Trenton Chance said.

Trenton said:

I'm going to have to advise you to start thinking for yourself and don't let others (Pickle, etc) think for you. You don't need legal counsel. Tommy is the one who got arrested. If anything you should do your best to remove any damage you may have done and back out of this before Tommy does die at the hands of injustice.

Do you know how many thousands of people love Tommy Shelton? Do you know how many people are completely nuts of those thousands? Who knows what mess you may end up in. Lawyers want a case that can get attention and cash. It's their job. That's a no brainer. Pickle is out for blood - that... that is pure evil.

This was Alex's responce:

As I stated, I am cooperating with the police. I have no reason not too. All I can say is that yes, something did happen. I'm not sure what you are meaning by damages that I have done.

Yes, I do realize that Tommy is loved by many. Like I also stated, I do not communicate with Bob on a regular basis.

I thought it to be only fair to allow everyone to see what prompted that explanation.