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[Adam]

This is for Sam, 3D, and Pat:

We are many and you are few,

we listen to the crap you spew.

Don’t think we aren’t up to speed,

on truth and lies as you deceive.

You spout out lines of twisted tales,

like politicians or car sales.

You change what we would like to hear,

while your treachery has no fear.

You are what’s wrong in every way,

no longer care ‘bout what you say.

You paint your picture so distorted,

you change the story not reported.

The words come out but do not say,

the truth behind what you portray.

You bend the facts for your own gain.

How is it that you feel no pain?

LIAR!!!

[Nosir Myzing]

My advice is to ignore all these anonymous trolls who are just phishing. They deserve NO explanations about anything.

ok, clue one, Clem!  When people are rebutting the lies here and giving information they are not seeking any information from those of you who consistently refuse to give any. So basically? Give up the lies. They aren't working, and they make you look not just deceptive, but silly.


 edited to include post which was being answered:

I have to address something right here and now. I am getting sick of reading this same old line "about the character and testimony of the victims." None of you know the character of the victims. Have you ever met them?

I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim. He is an outstanding citizen in his community and is truely involved in his church. Don't believe me? Come to where he lives and ask people, if they know Alex Walker. You will hear nothing but good from them.

So quit attacking someones "character" that you know nothing about.

Why don't you attack Tommy's character?  This may sound hateful and frankly I don't care. You all are deluded. Keep defending your admitted child predator. Just remember what the Bible says. -------------------

You know what I pray one day, none of your children are abused. Why? Mostly, because of the hurt that would be caused to them. Secondly, because you fools probably wouldn't believe them.

You all are sick and need Jesus !!!

My prayer is that you find him before it is everlasting to late!

---------- represents what I edited in disgust.

" I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim."

What are you referring to amd talking about?

The truth is no one defending 3ABN was attacking Alex or his character, Adam, and no one defending 3abn even mentioned him by name or even accused him. NOT ONCE. Not one was doing so in any post you are replying to here. It was you who came here and brought him up and made his character and case an issue illiciting questions and answers from those you accused on his behalf. He claims you say as you choose, so do you, but it is obvious that you argue and present only what he tells you, as you aren't involved or a witness in his case, and haven't even met those you accuse and condemn and attack on his behalf.. Even here in this current discussion, no one mentioned Alex, but you came flying in to defend him and accuse and find fault with others. It's ridiculous as far as I am concerned. This is a forum against DS and 3ABN, yet here you and Alex are, and claim that attacking 3ABN and DS is not your purpose or agenda for being here.. It's NOT believable, sorry because  Alex approached Bob Pickle according to Bob, and according to Alex he never filed a complaint or report against Tommy Shelton with law enforcement, which he should have done if his purpose was legit. Instead of giving them a report he gave it to Bob Pickle... and claims he didn't even know there was a case against Tommy Shelton until a reporter approached him after Tommy's arrest claiming he was a complaintant.I can quote him about that if you or he want to dispute that,  so what are he and you doing here in a forum and posting against DS abd 3ABN, and attacking those defending them if your issue is Tommy Shelton and child abuse within the Church of God? IMO- IMHO, you and your arguments and protests and accusations about all this,  stink to high heaven!

You are a liar. That's all I have to say about that. I have never once posted anything about Danny Shelton or 3ABN. So quit lying. I am not here to attack 3ABN or Danny Shelton nor have I.

Wellll then,your mouthpiece, Adam, as Samuel Thomas has and he knows even less about Danny and 3abn than you do.

This is the only thing that I have posted in regards to Danny Shelton or anyone associated with 3ABN:

By the way Brenda Walsh DOES know who I am. It is also a lie for her to say she has never met me. That's all I'm going to say about that.


You posted that Brenda said this:

Brenda Walsh said "I have never met Alex, nor have I have talked with him, written him, or communicated with him in any way shape or form! What is interesting is how he even knows my name!!"

Brenda is lying here because she does know who I am and yes she has met me.

Now you are using pickle tactics. Let's examine this. Do you mean that you met Brenda back when you were 11 or 12 and helped your brother off and on one summer at 3abn? So that was about 12 years ago when you were just a kid and we all know Brenda meets thousands of kids every year, all over the world. So if this is when Brenda met you I hardly think you could call her a liar when 12 years later she doesn't remember Alex Walker as a kid. Now what would something that Brenda has no memory of have to do with her calling you now and intimidating you?  You are lying and you know it.

You posted that Brenda said this. You also said that Danny said this:

Danny Shelton simply said " I have never talked to Alex" Ask Danny to define never. If he is saying it in the literal sense of the meaning than he too is a liar

Same deal here. It is possible that at the time you helped your brother, when you were a kid, you may have met Danny. Do you honestly think he would remember that? Give me a break!  And, again, what would that have to do with him intimidating you now? You don't seem to understand that leaving out key details to make a situation something that it isn't, is a lie.

As far as the last part of your post; I cannot discuss that. I have that same conversation you apparently have (between Trent and myself) as does my attorneys. I will not discuss that any farther.

Now I am done here. I do not have anything to prove to you anyway.

* The red is my responce to their statements.*

[Nosir Myzing]

I am not bearing false witness. Any statements I have made regarding attempted witness tampering were referring to Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny attempting to convince Alex to drop charges. Your declaring that my statements are 100% false indicate that what I was referring to was false, and thus my statement was accurate.

When someone suggests to a potential witness that his testifying against a known sexual predator and pedophile could have bad consequences to the witness himself, that someone should perhaps consult an attorney to see if he or she did or did not violate the statute. At least one or two of the above individuals are alleged to have done that.

Simply asking them may not be a violation of the statute, but my understanding is that there was intimidation or threats involved.

But Danny and Brenda haven't even talked to Alex about the case and the other two's conversations are recorded and verify they didn't do so,and they deny such also, so your only source for this lie has to be Alex, but even he doesn't seem to want to say such or back you....

As far as me talking to Bob Pickle, yes, I have talked to Bob. However, not
to the extent that people think I have.... Yes, I do realize that Tommy is loved by many. Like I also stated, I do not communicate with Bob on a regular basis.

Have I ever said that Danny or Brenda was trying to intimidate me? No, again your a liar.
(even if they have do you think I would tell you?   As I have stated everything is documented and given to the proper people.)

[Pat Williams]

I am not bearing false witness. Any statements I have made regarding attempted witness tampering were referring to Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny attempting to convince Alex to drop charges. Your declaring that my statements are 100% false indicate that what I was referring to was false, and thus my statement was accurate.

When someone suggests to a potential witness that his testifying against a known sexual predator and pedophile could have bad consequences to the witness himself, that someone should perhaps consult an attorney to see if he or she did or did not violate the statute. At least one or two of the above individuals are alleged to have done that.

Simply asking them may not be a violation of the statute, but my understanding is that there was intimidation or threats involved.

But Danny and Brenda haven't even talked to Alex about the case and the other two's conversations are recorded and verify they didn't do so,and they deny such also, so your only source for this lie has to be Alex, but even he doesn't seem to want to say such or back you....

As far as me talking to Bob Pickle, yes, I have talked to Bob. However, not
to the extent that people think I have.... Yes, I do realize that Tommy is loved by many. Like I also stated, I do not communicate with Bob on a regular basis.

Have I ever said that Danny or Brenda was trying to intimidate me? No, again your a liar.
(even if they have do you think I would tell you?   As I have stated everything is documented and given to the proper people.)

I do not tell "3abn accusers" everything either. I do not tell them anymore than I am willing to tell anyone else. I do not control what Adam post. He is free to do as he wishes. Do I agree with everything? No, but he has the right to do so.

I am not going to comment on any form of witness tampering that may or may not occurred. Sorry.

 So there you have it?

[Pat Williams]

Sam,... In my book you are nothing but subhuman garbage.

This is for Sam, 3D, and Pat:

We are many and you are few,

we listen to the crap you spew

Don’t think we aren’t up to speed,

on truth and lies as you deceive.

You spout out lines of twisted tales,

like politicians or car sales.

You change what we would like to hear,

while your treachery has no fear.

You are what’s wrong in every way,

no longer care ‘bout what you say.

You paint your picture so distorted,

you change the story not reported.

The words come out but do not say,

the truth behind what you portray.

You bend the facts for your own gain.

How is it that you feel no pain?

LIAR!!!

Wow, where is the evidence and proof to acompany the insults and accusations? As usual there is none. Every time I think it can't get worse it does.... and no one here appears to care or object.... it's hateful and pathetic., but you all seem to think the ends justify the means, They don't! It only gets uglier and uglier here, and that's why I have to leave here for good. wipe.. wipe... and walking away, sadly-- but in a determined and convicted mode....

[Alex L. Walker]

I am not bearing false witness. Any statements I have made regarding attempted witness tampering were referring to Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny attempting to convince Alex to drop charges. Your declaring that my statements are 100% false indicate that what I was referring to was false, and thus my statement was accurate.

When someone suggests to a potential witness that his testifying against a known sexual predator and pedophile could have bad consequences to the witness himself, that someone should perhaps consult an attorney to see if he or she did or did not violate the statute. At least one or two of the above individuals are alleged to have done that.

Simply asking them may not be a violation of the statute, but my understanding is that there was intimidation or threats involved.

But Danny and Brenda haven't even talked to Alex about the case and the other two's conversations are recorded and verify they didn't do so,and they deny such also, so your only source for this lie has to be Alex, but even he doesn't seem to want to say such or back you....

As far as me talking to Bob Pickle, yes, I have talked to Bob. However, not
to the extent that people think I have.... Yes, I do realize that Tommy is loved by many. Like I also stated, I do not communicate with Bob on a regular basis.

Have I ever said that Danny or Brenda was trying to intimidate me? No, again your a liar.
(even if they have do you think I would tell you?   As I have stated everything is documented and given to the proper people.)

Taking portions of my conversation with Trent isn't going to work either. At that point no I didn't communicate with Bob on a regular basis honestly it's none of your business how much I talk to him anyway.  I am not commenting on this subject matter because I have been advised not too if you can't accept that then that's your problem. Next time you talk to Trent be sure to tell him that the comment that he left on my facebook page has been recovered as well. He will know what I mean.

[Alex L. Walker]

I am not bearing false witness. Any statements I have made regarding attempted witness tampering were referring to Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny attempting to convince Alex to drop charges. Your declaring that my statements are 100% false indicate that what I was referring to was false, and thus my statement was accurate.

When someone suggests to a potential witness that his testifying against a known sexual predator and pedophile could have bad consequences to the witness himself, that someone should perhaps consult an attorney to see if he or she did or did not violate the statute. At least one or two of the above individuals are alleged to have done that.

Simply asking them may not be a violation of the statute, but my understanding is that there was intimidation or threats involved.

But Danny and Brenda haven't even talked to Alex about the case and the other two's conversations are recorded and verify they didn't do so,and they deny such also, so your only source for this lie has to be Alex, but even he doesn't seem to want to say such or back you....

As far as me talking to Bob Pickle, yes, I have talked to Bob. However, not
to the extent that people think I have.... Yes, I do realize that Tommy is loved by many. Like I also stated, I do not communicate with Bob on a regular basis.

Have I ever said that Danny or Brenda was trying to intimidate me? No, again your a liar.
(even if they have do you think I would tell you?   As I have stated everything is documented and given to the proper people.)

What exactly does that mean? What two conversations are you referring too? You only have access to one. How do you know for sure the other one verifies that? You have no clue. You do not have the conversation between Brad and myself and I know that for a fact. So again quit lying.

I previously said this and I stick by it. I am not going to comment on anything that has to do with the pending case so quit phishing. Oh, and Jamie you and Trenton Chance have pretty similar typing abilities.  

[Alex L. Walker]

Sam,... In my book you are nothing but subhuman garbage.

This is for Sam, 3D, and Pat:

We are many and you are few,

we listen to the crap you spew

Don’t think we aren’t up to speed,

on truth and lies as you deceive.

You spout out lines of twisted tales,

like politicians or car sales.

You change what we would like to hear,

while your treachery has no fear.

You are what’s wrong in every way,

no longer care ‘bout what you say.

You paint your picture so distorted,

you change the story not reported.

The words come out but do not say,

the truth behind what you portray.

You bend the facts for your own gain.

How is it that you feel no pain?

LIAR!!!

Wow, where is the evidence and proof to acompany the insults and accusations? As usual there is none. Every time I think it can't get worse it does.... and no one here appears to care or object.... it's hateful and pathetic., but you all seem to think the ends justify the means, They don't! It only gets uglier and uglier here, and that's why I have to leave here for good. wipe.. wipe... and walking away, sadly-- but in a determined and convicted mode....

I would like to know where Sam gets his proof to his insults and accusations.

He proved himself to be an uninformed liar. He lied about how old I was when I worked at 3ABN. He also lied about me being kicked out of Ezra not to mention the many other lies he has told against me. Yet I am the liar.

Yes, anyone who has to hide themselves yet attack me anonymously IS subhuman garbage in my book. One can't help but to wonder what does he/she have to hide? As I have proven I am not intimidated by any of you all.

[Bob Pickle]

I am not bearing false witness. Any statements I have made regarding attempted witness tampering were referring to Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny attempting to convince Alex to drop charges. Your declaring that my statements are 100% false indicate that what I was referring to was false, and thus my statement was accurate.

When someone suggests to a potential witness that his testifying against a known sexual predator and pedophile could have bad consequences to the witness himself, that someone should perhaps consult an attorney to see if he or she did or did not violate the statute. At least one or two of the above individuals are alleged to have done that.

Simply asking them may not be a violation of the statute, but my understanding is that there was intimidation or threats involved.

But Danny and Brenda haven't even talked to Alex about the case and the other two's conversations are recorded and verify they didn't do so,and they deny such also, so your only source for this lie has to be Alex, but even he doesn't seem to want to say such or back you....

"... so your only source for this lie ...." What lie? Be specific. Quote exactly what I said, and then point out exactly what was a lie in what I said.

Where can I can get a hold of the recordings you refer to? Have you personally listened to those recordings? Or are you referring to a transcription that you've read? If so, who made that transcription?

Seems I've asked something along these lines before and someone declined to answer. I suspect you will decline and that that will support the idea that you've never read or heard any recordings, contrary to what you've suggested.

[Bob Pickle]

Oh, and Jamie you and Trenton Chance have pretty similar typing abilities. 

Why would Trenton want to get all mixed up in this mess?

[Nosir Myzing]

I am not bearing false witness. Any statements I have made regarding attempted witness tampering were referring to Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny attempting to convince Alex to drop charges. Your declaring that my statements are 100% false indicate that what I was referring to was false, and thus my statement was accurate.

When someone suggests to a potential witness that his testifying against a known sexual predator and pedophile could have bad consequences to the witness himself, that someone should perhaps consult an attorney to see if he or she did or did not violate the statute. At least one or two of the above individuals are alleged to have done that.

Simply asking them may not be a violation of the statute, but my understanding is that there was intimidation or threats involved.

But Danny and Brenda haven't even talked to Alex about the case and the other two's conversations are recorded and verify they didn't do so,and they deny such also, so your only source for this lie has to be Alex, but even he doesn't seem to want to say such or back you....

"... so your only source for this lie ...." What lie? Be specific. Quote exactly what I said, and then point out exactly what was a lie in what I said.

That has already been done more than several times in this topic. I don't plan on taking a ride on his merry go round and rehash all. If Robert Pickle doesn't remember or know what he said. He needs to reread his own posts and the replies to them, his meaning was quite clear and his accusations are still identified in his posts and remain unproven and false.

Where can I can get a hold of the recordings you refer to? Have you personally listened to those recordings? Or are you referring to a transcription that you've read? If so, who made that transcription?

Seems I've asked something along these lines before and someone declined to answer. I suspect you will decline and that that will support the idea that you've never read or heard any recordings, contrary to what you've suggested.

 Alex and Adam they have said over and over that all is documented... yet here is Robert Pickle "essentially" admitting he doesn't even know what he has been talking about and has no basis or evidence to support any of his false accusations.  His lack of knowledge is not my problem. The bottom line here is that if Mr Pickle has not seen and does not know the content of any conversations already then he had no business accusing anybody of witness tampering and of using intimidation and threats. Look at him. He has the burden of proving his own claims but refuses to acknowledge that or to be accountable and yet tries to demand that of me.

Oh, and Jamie you and Trenton Chance have pretty similar typing abilities.  

Why would Trenton want to get all mixed up in this mess?

He wouldn't and he isn't. You are the one who came on here accusing him falsely. Why don't you leave him alone and out of it? Your desire to condemn any and all in your jihad continues to be despicable, and puts you in a very bad light in the eyes of many even though you apparently can't see or comprehend that.

Good-bye.

[princessdi]

Ok! As if I wasn't confused enough.......Who the heck is Trenton Chance? 

Bob, I have to ask this question.  When you mention people that are only known to those you are seeking to provoke in some way, shape or form, are you looking to drag that person into this increasingly sordid mess?  Somehow show up, and mix it up with the rest of you?  I'm jes askin'..........   

3D, alex, why are you al leaving?  I know you don't want to post on board, but could one or even both of you PM me to explain further?  It would go a long way on clearing up some of my confusion.

Oh, and Jamie you and Trenton Chance have pretty similar typing abilities. 

Why would Trenton want to get all mixed up in this mess?

[Nosir Myzing]

Ok! As if I wasn't confused enough.......Who the heck is Trenton Chance?

He is one of Tommy Shelton's nephews, and is about the same age as Alex. He and Alex had a  conversation on facebook right after Tommy was arrested. He was basically asking Alex what had happened and asking him to think about all. All was said in a Christian and caring and concerned manner, but Pickle is now attacking him and accusing him of trying to intimidate and threaten Alex and of witness tampering. It's ridiculous and false, as many of Pickle's accusations are... Trent has nothing to do with all this and is just a nice young kid, but apparently Bob wants to throw him under the bus along with all the other innocents and uninvolved people he has done that to in his war with 3ABN and DS.

[princessdi]

Thanks Jamie!  Yeah, that bus throwing is a problem. 

Ok so Alex, you told Bob about this conversation on FB, and gave your permission for the personal contact/conversation to be discussed here?

He is one of Tommy Shelton's nephews, and is about the same age as Alex. He and Alex had a  conversation on facebook right after Tommy was arrested. He was basically asking Alex what had happened and asking him to think about all. All was said in a Christian and caring and concerned manner, but Pickle is now attacking him and accusing him of trying to intimidate and threaten Alex and of witness tampering. It's ridiculous and false, as many of Pickle's accusations are... Trent has nothing to do with all this and is just a nice young kid, but apparently Bob wants to throw him under the bus along with all the other innocents and uninvolved people he has done that to in his war with 3ABN and DS.

[Bob Pickle]

That has already been done more than several times in this topic.

I don't recall anyone pointing out what you are talking about. Your unwillingness to quote what you are complaining about is evidence that you are trying to misrepresent what was actually said.

If Robert Pickle doesn't remember or know what he said.

I remember quite well what I said. It was your attempt to mischaracterize what I said that led me to ask you to quote what you are claiming is a lie.

He needs to reread his own posts and the replies to them, his meaning was quite clear and his accusations are still identified in his posts and remain unproven and false.

What I said was 100% accurate.

Where can I can get a hold of the recordings you refer to? Have you personally listened to those recordings? Or are you referring to a transcription that you've read? If so, who made that transcription?

Seems I've asked something along these lines before and someone declined to answer. I suspect you will decline and that that will support the idea that you've never read or heard any recordings, contrary to what you've suggested.

Alex and Adam they have said over and over that all is documented... yet here is Robert Pickle "essentially" admitting he doesn't even know what he has been talking about and has no basis or evidence to support any of his false accusations.

You're the one who is making an explicit statement based on alleged recordings, which implies that you have heard (or seen?) those recordings. My question to you was based on my not knowing how you could have any access whatsoever to such recordings.

If Alex or an attorney documented a phone call, that isn't a recording, and that doesn't mean you have access to it. So 'fess up: Do you have access to recordings or not? Were you prevaricating when you spoke as if you have had access to recordings?

Why would Trenton want to get all mixed up in this mess?

He wouldn't and he isn't. You are the one who came on here accusing him falsely.

I think your side has already admitted that Trenton contacted Alex to try to persuade him to drop charges, so he is already involved, and saying so is not accusing him falsely.

The question is whether or not Trenton is posting here.