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[Murcielago]

It is not at all unusual for adults to be led into thing that they would normally never consider when the leader is charismatic and convincing. In Jonestown, Guiana almost 1,000 people drank cianide. Parents held their kids down so that they could be given lethal injections. Before that incident, men subjected themselves to the sexual depravities Jim Jones required of them, and wanted to die rather than live with what they felt forced to do. Men gave up their wives and daughters to him. Parents gave up their children to Jones for punishment and torture... these were all normal people who fell under the spell of a leader and their thoughts and actions were led by him into very abnormal areas. He is a drastic example, but this is something that happens every day to thousands of adults around the world.

[princessdi]

There ya go!!!!  I am not sure why they don't get this about leaders who abuse their positions of authority.  It doens't even have to get to the jones/koresh state either.  There is a whole lot of abuse long before you get to that point.

It is not at all unusual for adults to be led into thing that they would normally never consider when the leader is charismatic and convincing. In Jonestown, Guiana almost 1,000 people drank cianide. Parents held their kids down so that they could be given lethal injections. Before that incident, men subjected themselves to the sexual depravities Jim Jones required of them, and wanted to die rather than live with what they felt forced to do. Men gave up their wives and daughters to him. Parents gave up their children to Jones for punishment and torture... these were all normal people who fell under the spell of a leader and their thoughts and actions were led by him into very abnormal areas. He is a drastic example, but this is something that happens every day to thousands of adults around the world.

[ex3abnemployee]

What they fail to realize is that even if what they say about me or anyone else was true, Tommy still committed the abuse. I do notice they've pretty much stopped proclaiming him innocent. Where's Junebug these days? Miss I know "for a fact" Tommy will be found innocent. She still hasn't retracted that statement.

[Adam]

What they fail to realize is that even if what they say about me or anyone else was true, Tommy still committed the abuse. I do notice they've pretty much stopped proclaiming him innocent. Where's Junebug these days? Miss I know "for a fact" Tommy will be found innocent. She still hasn't retracted that statement.

Lol! She changed her name too, Duane.   It's no longer "Junebug". She is now known as "Mary Sue Smith." 

[ex3abnemployee]

Another genetic name. The thing is, I know who she is, and het name isn't Mary. Hey Alex, got a cousin named Mary Smith?

[Bob Pickle]

Where did all the Danny clones go? Did they get the info they wanted to get and thus have no reason to post again?

I'd like to point out that the purpose of this thread was to give members of the Shelton family, including Tommy, an opportunity to post their support for Tommy's victims. That seemed appropriate given the intense efforts being made by folks like 3ABN_Defender (who was actually undermining 3ABN) aka Pat Williams aka to attack Tommy's victims.

How come we are on page 8 and apparently not one Shelton has posted their support? What's wrong?

Jim Gilley, Mollie Steenson, Brenda Walsh, John Lomacang, C.A. Murray, and others are free to take up the slack and post their support of Tommy's victims, if not one Shelton is willing to do so.

[childoftheking]

Whenever there are longstanding addictions including sexual addictions there are usually enablers - family, friends or supporters who for one reason or another protect the addict from the consequences of his/her own actions. It can be very difficult for these people to see their actions in protecting the addict as anything other than kind.

In fact, these people are part of the problem. It can be difficult for them to see victims of the addict as victims, rather their sympathy is with the addict who sees himself/herself as a victim. They are not helping the victims of the addict by their actions and they are definitely not helping the addict.

[princessdi]

Oh my!.  ITA Adam.  I also realize the need for accuracy and total truth in each situation.   Those who wish to find fault tend to focus on those details that maybe less truth, even though they don't change the big picture.   That is why I totally understood why I needed to apologize and correct my statements.

TS is still an abuser of young boys and young men, of which he has plead guilty.  He was in a position of authority which he abused and used to satisfy his own sick purposes. 

Fact of the matter is Duane was not the only one who was abused by this animal. (Yes, Lilly I call em' like I see em') There was another boy who was overage who was also abused by Tommy.

Anyone who don't think that abuse can happen whether your the age of consent or not really needs help! What is even more sick and disgusting is you defend this man when he has abused YOUNG BOYS! Young boys who don't even know what sex is. May God forgive you before it's everlasting to late!

Hell is real people. You are condoning acts that the Bible speaks against, sexual immorality. 1 Thessalonians 4. It also clearly states that God is the avenger!

[Bob Pickle]

Just one month left before Tommy's sentencing. And yet even though more than a month has gone by since Tommy pled guilty, not one Shelton has stopped by this thread to express their support.

Where's Danny at a time like this? How about Ronnie? Kenny? Tammy? Trent? Brad? How come the stark silence?

Come! Do what you can to mend broken people! Express your support for the victims of Tommy Shelton!

[ex3abnemployee]

Another genetic name. The thing is, I know who she is, and het name isn't Mary. Hey Alex, got a cousin named Mary Smith?

OOps. Just noticed my typo. Genetic should actually be generic. lol

[Sheba]

Just one month left before Tommy's sentencing. And yet even though more than a month has gone by since Tommy pled guilty, not one Shelton has stopped by this thread to express their support.

Where's Danny at a time like this? How about Ronnie? Kenny? Tammy? Trent? Brad? How come the stark silence?

Come! Do what you can to mend broken people! Express your support for the victims of Tommy Shelton!

They can't Bob cause they are part of it... Only if they never knew it could they do it!!

[ex3abnemployee]

Just one month left before Tommy's sentencing. And yet even though more than a month has gone by since Tommy pled guilty, not one Shelton has stopped by this thread to express their support.

Where's Danny at a time like this? How about Ronnie? Kenny? Tammy? Trent? Brad? How come the stark silence?

Come! Do what you can to mend broken people! Express your support for the victims of Tommy Shelton!

They can't Bob cause they are part of it... Only if they never knew it could they do it!!

Excellent point

[princessdi]

.......And Bob...you knew when you started this thread that none would show up on this thread.  You can't force them.  This thing is between them and God, if and when they get that striaght then the proper apologies will happen for the victims......and you will have to be ready for those apologies to take place in the proper forum, and not on the world wide web.

Just one month left before Tommy's sentencing. And yet even though more than a month has gone by since Tommy pled guilty, not one Shelton has stopped by this thread to express their support.

Where's Danny at a time like this? How about Ronnie? Kenny? Tammy? Trent? Brad? How come the stark silence?

Come! Do what you can to mend broken people! Express your support for the victims of Tommy Shelton!

[Bob Pickle]

.......And Bob...you knew when you started this thread that none would show up on this thread.

No, I did not. Call me naive if you want.

You can't force them.

True.

This thing is between them and God, if and when they get that striaght then the proper apologies will happen for the victims......

Correct.

and you will have to be ready for those apologies to take place in the proper forum, and not on the world wide web.

In such a public matter, public support is more than fitting, and the internet is as good a place as any for public support.

But there are certainly other ways. For those who like to compare Danny to David, David wrote his public apology into the national hymnal. If Danny were to emulate David's response, he could think of producing a special CD containing a song of apology ... with all proceeds from the sale of it going to a victims' fund, not his pocket.

I would be happy to promote the sale of such a CD.

[horsethief]

Apology from Danny Shelton? Have you people lost your minds? Danny will never believe that he has done anything wrong and neither will Tommy. He lives on a different plane than any of us. He is not bound by any law or any doctrine. The only rule he abides by is what pays and promotes him.