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[princessdi]

That is why I said, that you might not wasnt to hear it.  If proper help and healing is applied then the abused, do not abuse others.  However, that seems to be a big "IF", because of the element of shame, etc.  It is not an excuse, because bad bahavior should never be tolerated, no matter the circumstnace.  It can, however, explain the why. 

No Duane you don't sound cold,, because he is old and more than grown, it was TS and his family's responsibility to get him the help he needed when they first discover there was a problem. instead of the whole lot of them going into deep denial  The "why" definitely does NOT have anything to do with any disciplinary action TS needs to recieved because of his offenses.  He needs to pay the full consequences for his behavior.

Here's the thing, Di. This may sound cold, but I really DON'T CARE if Tommy was abused a a child. I was abused as a young adult, Alex was abused as a child as was the other victim in VA. We're not going around abusing others. Prior abuse is no excuse, it's a cop out used by people who care about no one but themselves.
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[Adam]

That is why I said, that you might not wasnt to hear it.  If proper help and healing is applied then the abused, do not abuse others.  However, that seems to be a big "IF", because of the element of shame, etc.  It is not an excuse, because bad bahavior should never be tolerated, no matter the circumstnace.  It can, however, explain the why. 

No Duane you don't sound cold,, because he is old and more than grown, it was TS and his family's responsibility to get him the help he needed when they first discover there was a problem. instead of the whole lot of them going into deep denial  The "why" definitely does NOT have anything to do with any disciplinary action TS needs to recieved because of his offenses.  He needs to pay the full consequences for his behavior.

Here's the thing, Di. This may sound cold, but I really DON'T CARE if Tommy was abused a a child. I was abused as a young adult, Alex was abused as a child as was the other victim in VA. We're not going around abusing others. Prior abuse is no excuse, it's a cop out used by people who care about no one but themselves.

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Is there actually any proof that TS was even abused, and if so was it sexually?

[Sam]

Sorry, Duane, but I think we disagree on this. I believe someone should have a higher education than that they are teaching.

In public school, run by people with college degrees, my achievement test scores were falling. I started attending Ezra Christian School, run by people with high school diplomas, and my test scores were off the chart when I graduated. The numbers speak for themselves.

Well, I'm glad that it worked for you, I really am. However, from what I have been told the school wasn't the best ran when Alex went there. That is why he went to public school.

Could that be because Glen Dryden ran the school at that time and kicked Alex out?

[Pat Williams]

Sorry, Duane, but I think we disagree on this. I believe someone should have a higher education than that they are teaching.

In public school, run by people with college degrees, my achievement test scores were falling. I started attending Ezra Christian School, run by people with high school diplomas, and my test scores were off the chart when I graduated. The numbers speak for themselves.

Well, I'm glad that it worked for you, I really am. However, from what I have been told the school wasn't the best ran when Alex went there. That is why he went to public school.

Could that be because Glen Dryden ran the school at that time and kicked Alex out?

I'm sorry, but..  ROFL

[Sam]

In the case of Tommy Shelton and 3ABN, the person who hired him knew his problem. When Tommy worked with the children on Kid's Time, Danny knew the potential harm that could occur to one or more of the children. He did not inform the parents, he allowed his brother to be in a position where he could become a predator. Why?

Warning. You are in no position to speak for Danny Shelton and claim to know what he knew, or didn't know, or what he did or didn't do.

letter from Tommy Shelton: (dated Feb 2007)

Secondly, he states that he is doing what he can to protect young people. What young people?

I have worked for the last 6 years [at 3ABN] in an environment where there are NO young people.

(I understand that your pastor has mentioned the 3ABN Kids Time program - that these children could possibly be in danger. Kids Time hasn’t even been taped in two years, - It’s all reruns - and when it was being taped, it was in a studio two miles from were I worked and when I did go over to accompany a guest, it was in a studio filled with parents and camera people for an hour or so two or three times per season).

Pat, Pat, Pat,

You are not going to tell me that Danny didn't know. That is hogwash.

Adam,

I take it you know Danny Shelton personally?  No you don't so how can you talk as if you have an intelligent opinion on the matter when you no nothing about 3abn, Danny or anything else.  You show your ignorance when you say Tommy had easy access to children at 3abn. That says a lot.  Anyone, and I mean anyone that has ever been to a kids time production would laugh you out of town.  There is a control room full of people who see everything through the camera's eyes.  There is a crew out on the set.  There are parents everywhere..on the set and off.  The kids that are off the set are with their parents until their turn comes to be on the set. The kids that are on the set are being taped on television. The Mitcheff sisters are there doing the programs. There are so many people you can't turn around.  Tommy's involvment was for the Mitcheffs to call him and ask him to come on the set and play a song for a kid to sing. Get it?  Come on the set, where the kid, the crew, the Mitcheffs and the Control room are all watching, sit down at the piano, play the song, the floor director says Cut, and Tommy leaves.  Had any of you ever been there you might, might, have an opinion but since you haven't been there you have no credibility in your opinions that are based on nothing.

[Sam]

Danny knew about Tommy. All the family knew about Tommy. How do I know? I heard it from a Shelton...

Sister, it is well past the time for your slander, defamation and lies comes to an end.  Yes we all know you "heard it from a Shelton" which we know is Linda.  On the slim chance that it wasn't Linda, there are literally hundreds of Shelton first cousins, 2nd cousins, 3rd cousins who may or may not have the name Shelton and because of jealousy or some other motive may actually tell you something that isn't true!  Can you believe it? There are people that actually lie about such things. You should know you are an expert.

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[Murcielago]

How sad. Rolling on the floor laughing out loud over a child who was messed up by being molested by a pastor/in-law getting kicked out of school. Would you be rolling on the floor laughing out loud over that if he hadn't filed charges? If Tommy hadn't pled guilty to molesting him? Again, the consistent pattern of laughing at, making fun of, attacking, trying to tear down, and otherwise destroy victims of child molestation who say something.

Sorry, Duane, but I think we disagree on this. I believe someone should have a higher education than that they are teaching.

In public school, run by people with college degrees, my achievement test scores were falling. I started attending Ezra Christian School, run by people with high school diplomas, and my test scores were off the chart when I graduated. The numbers speak for themselves.

Well, I'm glad that it worked for you, I really am. However, from what I have been told the school wasn't the best ran when Alex went there. That is why he went to public school.

Could that be because Glen Dryden ran the school at that time and kicked Alex out?

I'm sorry, but..  ROFL

[Murcielago]

Alex, I hope you know that for most normal humans, a child's pain is not high entertainment and cause to roll on the floor laughing. Even in ancient Rome where the deaths of thousands were entertainment, they did not sink so low as to be entertained by watching kids get hurt. There are a few messed up individuals out there who will laugh at, and enjoy your pain, and who will continue trying to extend and enhance it, but they are not society at large, they are a strange and marginal exception.

[mrst53]

Sam,
I know you are angry, but now you are becoming as vindictive as you claim Sister has been. Is this now a game of getting even?

[tinka]

Well I'm certainly glad I have your approval.

Well, Duane it does take tremendous study to make sure what you preach is truly correct or the part of false prophets come into play, so that is very serious business to take on "clergy". I do know some of the best preachers have been excepted into SDA also without the college credentials. But those boys have put their life into study first and the congregation put them in because of their diligence in divine understanding starting to teach in SS. I learned much more from these persons. There style comes from inspiration.  In fact as some of our colleges are starting to act with the "Creation" theory it just might be better if a true blue preach.  Oh, and not sure how you meant that Duane "my approval" lol..... mine does not make a hill of beans....although I am sick of canning beans and finally having a rain break and maybe the beans will not come back this year. lol  canned about 250 myself and haven't used last years yet. But I'm ready for the Economy outcome.  lol lol fed and canned some for the neighbors too. even though I'm older they are in chairs with oxygen and can't work. Guess that is the consequences of smoking and drinking most of their lives. They now are changing, watching us, and want to be around us. One of them don't eat pork anymore. It's been fun and different even though I miss my farm. So your young and have a future to choose yet and hope the best for you what ever it is.

[Alex L. Walker]

Sorry, Duane, but I think we disagree on this. I believe someone should have a higher education than that they are teaching.

In public school, run by people with college degrees, my achievement test scores were falling. I started attending Ezra Christian School, run by people with high school diplomas, and my test scores were off the chart when I graduated. The numbers speak for themselves.

Well, I'm glad that it worked for you, I really am. However, from what I have been told the school wasn't the best ran when Alex went there. That is why he went to public school.

Could that be because Glen Dryden ran the school at that time and kicked Alex out?

You liar. He did not and I'm sure he will confirm that is not true. Glenn Dryden did not kick me out as you claim. So move on you low life coward. My parents pulled me out and home-schooled me then I attended the Public school WHICH WAS MY CHOICE. If you truely knew me as well as you spew lies out you would know that. You really need to learn to keep your mouth shut about things which you have no clue.


Why don't someone contact Glenn Dryden and ask him if what Sam says is true? Trust me you will not get the same story you just got from Sam.

Sam- Keep your lies and slander up....please....

[Alex L. Walker]

Danny knew about Tommy. All the family knew about Tommy. How do I know? I heard it from a Shelton...

Sister, it is well past the time for your slander, defamation and lies comes to an end.  Yes we all know you "heard it from a Shelton" which we know is Linda.  On the slim chance that it wasn't Linda, there are literally hundreds of Shelton first cousins, 2nd cousins, 3rd cousins who may or may not have the name Shelton and because of jealousy or some other motive may actually tell you something that isn't true!  Can you believe it? There are people that actually lie about such things. You should know you are an expert.

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Sam if anyone is a slanderer and liar it is you. You went to far slandering and lying on my mother. Keep it up your just adding fuel to the fire. Watch and see....

[Pat Williams]

From where I am sitting, your melodrama and over reaction and false judgment is what is sad, but hardly unusual...

How sad. Rolling on the floor laughing out loud over a child who was messed up by being molested by a pastor/in-law getting kicked out of school. Would you be rolling on the floor laughing out loud over that if he hadn't filed charges? If Tommy hadn't pled guilty to molesting him? Again, the consistent pattern of laughing at, making fun of, attacking, trying to tear down, and otherwise destroy victims of child molestation who say something.

Sorry, Duane, but I think we disagree on this. I believe someone should have a higher education than that they are teaching.

In public school, run by people with college degrees, my achievement test scores were falling. I started attending Ezra Christian School, run by people with high school diplomas, and my test scores were off the chart when I graduated. The numbers speak for themselves.

Well, I'm glad that it worked for you, I really am. However, from what I have been told the school wasn't the best ran when Alex went there. That is why he went to public school.

Could that be because Glen Dryden ran the school at that time and kicked Alex out?

I'm sorry, but..  ROFL

[Alex L. Walker]

 Sam-- I will no longer even treat you as a human or show you any thought at all. Until you are man enough to stop hiding like a coward. If you have enough gull to come on here and post your attacks (lies) you should be man enough to reveal yourself. Until then in my eyes you are nothing but subhuman garbage.


Hopefully the garbage truck rolls in soon because your stench is getting old.

[Johann]

Danny knew about Tommy. All the family knew about Tommy. How do I know? I heard it from a Shelton...

Sister, it is well past the time for your slander, defamation and lies comes to an end.  Yes we all know you "heard it from a Shelton" which we know is Linda.  On the slim chance that it wasn't Linda, there are literally hundreds of Shelton first cousins, 2nd cousins, 3rd cousins who may or may not have the name Shelton and because of jealousy or some other motive may actually tell you something that isn't true!  Can you believe it? There are people that actually lie about such things. You should know you are an expert.

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I have spent some hours on and with people who live on the street where the Shelton kids grew up in West Frankfurt. It is amazing what you can find out in a few hours in certain localities. I discovered quite a bit there which did not come from Linda. You have a certain way of blaming which might blow straight in your face again. Linda is not the only person who has known a certain Mr. Danny Shelton.